| Suicide. 07:17 - Jan 17 with 2977 views | NthQldITFC |
Planet-warming gas levels rose more than ever in 2024
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c30dn5dn53jo
"Limiting global warming to 1.5C would require the CO2 rise to be slowing, but in reality the opposite is happening," says Richard Betts of the Met Office. |  |
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| Suicide. on 07:29 - Jan 17 with 2885 views | Swansea_Blue |
I swing between optimism and despair. There are occasional signs we could take this seriously (we have the means and the technology to change after all). However, it’s increasingly looking like as a collective, we’re too stupid/greedy/selfish to do much more about it than we’re already doing. Mitigating the impacts is probably the priority now. |  |
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| Suicide. on 09:12 - Jan 17 with 2693 views | ArmaghBlue |
Just a shame destroying the UK youth’s future in eliminating UK’s contribution to that number will not make a noticeable difference. |  | | |
| Suicide. on 09:13 - Jan 17 with 2685 views | WD19 |
Maybe, just maybe the person tasked with tracking this over time is getting a little long in the tooth now and is no longer able to read the numbers right!? |  | | |
| Suicide. on 09:17 - Jan 17 with 2664 views | CoachRob |
| Suicide. on 07:29 - Jan 17 by Swansea_Blue |
I swing between optimism and despair. There are occasional signs we could take this seriously (we have the means and the technology to change after all). However, it’s increasingly looking like as a collective, we’re too stupid/greedy/selfish to do much more about it than we’re already doing. Mitigating the impacts is probably the priority now. |
Really? I thought the economist types had some vibes about deficits and debt and we need a decade to 'fix' the economy. What's that another 400GtCO2 or so added and I'm not getting my flood defences until then so all the concerns we had at the Hydrological Society conference last year will have to be put on hold until the real 'experts' stop having vibes.
There is the chance that Gates, Musk, Bezos etc. can use their collective physics degrees to deliver fusion, geoengineering (we went through that at the Global Systems Institute - absolute disaster on so many levels), zero-point energy, asteroid mining, DAC - you name it according to some we have little to fear from climate and ecological breakdown.
A couple of strong influencers on my thinking have been Carl Sagan and James (Jim) Lovelock, I was lucky enough to meet Jim before he died and he didn't hold out much hope. Sagan pretty much foretold that we (the scientists) would be pushed into the background by fantasists (the economists and tech bros), he was right. |  | | |
| Suicide. on 09:50 - Jan 17 with 2574 views | lowhouseblue |
| Suicide. on 09:17 - Jan 17 by CoachRob |
Really? I thought the economist types had some vibes about deficits and debt and we need a decade to 'fix' the economy. What's that another 400GtCO2 or so added and I'm not getting my flood defences until then so all the concerns we had at the Hydrological Society conference last year will have to be put on hold until the real 'experts' stop having vibes.
There is the chance that Gates, Musk, Bezos etc. can use their collective physics degrees to deliver fusion, geoengineering (we went through that at the Global Systems Institute - absolute disaster on so many levels), zero-point energy, asteroid mining, DAC - you name it according to some we have little to fear from climate and ecological breakdown.
A couple of strong influencers on my thinking have been Carl Sagan and James (Jim) Lovelock, I was lucky enough to meet Jim before he died and he didn't hold out much hope. Sagan pretty much foretold that we (the scientists) would be pushed into the background by fantasists (the economists and tech bros), he was right. |
really, give it a rest with the strange obsession with economics and the obsessive name and attendance dropping. it all comes across as a bit weird. but well done on meeting 'jim'. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Suicide. on 09:58 - Jan 17 with 2535 views | blueasfook |
| Suicide. on 07:29 - Jan 17 by Swansea_Blue |
I swing between optimism and despair. There are occasional signs we could take this seriously (we have the means and the technology to change after all). However, it’s increasingly looking like as a collective, we’re too stupid/greedy/selfish to do much more about it than we’re already doing. Mitigating the impacts is probably the priority now. |
I fear tackling climate change will take a step back under the Trump administration. It's not high on his list of priorities. Like Covid, the world won't take action until its truly upon us. |  |
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| Suicide. on 10:11 - Jan 17 with 2468 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Suicide. on 09:12 - Jan 17 by ArmaghBlue |
Just a shame destroying the UK youth’s future in eliminating UK’s contribution to that number will not make a noticeable difference. |
Or showing leadership and providing lots of opportunities in a rapidly expanding sector? Whilst simultaneously improving air quality that could reverse the decline in health we've seen in children as a consequence of burning fossil fuels?
Agreed that an UK contribution is meaningless in isolation. If we're going to tackle this someone has to try to step up on the international stage and show some leadership. I'm not expecting it to be us given what we've seen so far at the climate summits though. But we should at least try imo. The costs of inaction far outweigh and any disadvantages.
Once we get to the point that we have to start abandoning large coastal communities, or spending £billions more defending them, I suspect that will focus a few minds. It'll be far too late then of course. | |
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| Suicide. on 10:12 - Jan 17 with 2452 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Suicide. on 09:58 - Jan 17 by blueasfook |
I fear tackling climate change will take a step back under the Trump administration. It's not high on his list of priorities. Like Covid, the world won't take action until its truly upon us. |
Sounds like it. Judge him on what he actually does rather than what he says, but it doesn't sound like it'll be high on his priority list! | |
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| Suicide. on 10:17 - Jan 17 with 2390 views | lowhouseblue |
| Suicide. on 10:12 - Jan 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Sounds like it. Judge him on what he actually does rather than what he says, but it doesn't sound like it'll be high on his priority list! |
but remember that a lot of policy operates at a state level and that will continue. drill, drill, drill is very bad news but it doesn't mean all us climate change action comes to an end. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Suicide. on 10:21 - Jan 17 with 2321 views | NthQldITFC |
| Suicide. on 09:17 - Jan 17 by CoachRob |
Really? I thought the economist types had some vibes about deficits and debt and we need a decade to 'fix' the economy. What's that another 400GtCO2 or so added and I'm not getting my flood defences until then so all the concerns we had at the Hydrological Society conference last year will have to be put on hold until the real 'experts' stop having vibes.
There is the chance that Gates, Musk, Bezos etc. can use their collective physics degrees to deliver fusion, geoengineering (we went through that at the Global Systems Institute - absolute disaster on so many levels), zero-point energy, asteroid mining, DAC - you name it according to some we have little to fear from climate and ecological breakdown.
A couple of strong influencers on my thinking have been Carl Sagan and James (Jim) Lovelock, I was lucky enough to meet Jim before he died and he didn't hold out much hope. Sagan pretty much foretold that we (the scientists) would be pushed into the background by fantasists (the economists and tech bros), he was right. |
Lovelock's books really touched a nerve with me, as does Tim Flannery who writes really well and informatively for the semi-knowledgeable, I can thoroughly recommend both to anyone who wants to learn a bit on an easily accessible level.
I would have loved to have met Jim - when I saw him speak (on video, not in person) he reminded me greatly in his philosophy, method and ethos to an old fella I used to work with in the lab - totally different field, but same application of method.
I liked his offer to have the waste from a nuclear reactor sealed in a concrete block and buried in his back garden! | |
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| Suicide. on 11:42 - Jan 17 with 2208 views | NthQldITFC |
| Suicide. on 09:17 - Jan 17 by CoachRob |
Really? I thought the economist types had some vibes about deficits and debt and we need a decade to 'fix' the economy. What's that another 400GtCO2 or so added and I'm not getting my flood defences until then so all the concerns we had at the Hydrological Society conference last year will have to be put on hold until the real 'experts' stop having vibes.
There is the chance that Gates, Musk, Bezos etc. can use their collective physics degrees to deliver fusion, geoengineering (we went through that at the Global Systems Institute - absolute disaster on so many levels), zero-point energy, asteroid mining, DAC - you name it according to some we have little to fear from climate and ecological breakdown.
A couple of strong influencers on my thinking have been Carl Sagan and James (Jim) Lovelock, I was lucky enough to meet Jim before he died and he didn't hold out much hope. Sagan pretty much foretold that we (the scientists) would be pushed into the background by fantasists (the economists and tech bros), he was right. |
'Sagan pretty much foretold that we (the scientists) would be pushed into the background by fantasists (the economists and tech bros), he was right. '
Such a profound and sad reflection on the failed evolution of the human species and its sleepwalking into disaster. I wonder how many people just skip over that and think 'Whatever! Where's my gadget, I want some stuff' or 'It's just more doom-mongering, Hollywood will save us'. | |
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| Suicide. on 15:21 - Jan 17 with 2014 views | J2BLUE |
| Suicide. on 11:42 - Jan 17 by NthQldITFC |
'Sagan pretty much foretold that we (the scientists) would be pushed into the background by fantasists (the economists and tech bros), he was right. '
Such a profound and sad reflection on the failed evolution of the human species and its sleepwalking into disaster. I wonder how many people just skip over that and think 'Whatever! Where's my gadget, I want some stuff' or 'It's just more doom-mongering, Hollywood will save us'. |
I don't think the government do a very good job of making people understand the consequences of their choices.
If you buy a pack of Quorn, for example, it usually tells you the amount of CO2 and water saved compared to meat. That has a powerful impact in my opinion.
I don't think we can blame people for feeling hopeless when China, Russia and now the US have zero interest in doing anything about it.
We may well be at the stage where it's going to take some new technology to save us with no guarantee that technology is going to exist in time. We can't even stop cutting down trees...to grow things like soy which we feed to animals who make the problem worse.
I don't think we turn this one around. |  |
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| Suicide. on 15:26 - Jan 17 with 1994 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Suicide. on 15:21 - Jan 17 by J2BLUE |
I don't think the government do a very good job of making people understand the consequences of their choices.
If you buy a pack of Quorn, for example, it usually tells you the amount of CO2 and water saved compared to meat. That has a powerful impact in my opinion.
I don't think we can blame people for feeling hopeless when China, Russia and now the US have zero interest in doing anything about it.
We may well be at the stage where it's going to take some new technology to save us with no guarantee that technology is going to exist in time. We can't even stop cutting down trees...to grow things like soy which we feed to animals who make the problem worse.
I don't think we turn this one around. |
We can take a major role. We are one of the biggest economies in the world. That means our influence is deep and wide, and our impact ( in terms of supply chains, material choices, manufacturing methods, transport) is much bigger than just these Islands.
Furthermore, when leading nations normalise sensible positive behaviour, that is also going to help beyond the actual impact of our physical steps.
When leading nations say "sod it", that message reaches far and wide. If you want the states and China to sort themselves out (and China are to an extent- biggest investors in solar etc) you make sure they are surrounded by other people doing the right thing. Soft power counts for alot. |  | | |
| Suicide. on 18:05 - Jan 17 with 1829 views | factual_blue |
I thought you were going to produce a graph relating CO2 levels to the the number of suicides. |  |
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| Suicide. on 18:22 - Jan 17 with 1791 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Suicide. on 09:17 - Jan 17 by CoachRob |
Really? I thought the economist types had some vibes about deficits and debt and we need a decade to 'fix' the economy. What's that another 400GtCO2 or so added and I'm not getting my flood defences until then so all the concerns we had at the Hydrological Society conference last year will have to be put on hold until the real 'experts' stop having vibes.
There is the chance that Gates, Musk, Bezos etc. can use their collective physics degrees to deliver fusion, geoengineering (we went through that at the Global Systems Institute - absolute disaster on so many levels), zero-point energy, asteroid mining, DAC - you name it according to some we have little to fear from climate and ecological breakdown.
A couple of strong influencers on my thinking have been Carl Sagan and James (Jim) Lovelock, I was lucky enough to meet Jim before he died and he didn't hold out much hope. Sagan pretty much foretold that we (the scientists) would be pushed into the background by fantasists (the economists and tech bros), he was right. |
I’m not sure I understand the point you’re making, sorry. You’ll have no arguments from me that the scientists have largely been ignored. It used to be my thing and I worked and published on CC impacts here in the UK and overseas. It’s been a disaster long forecasted. We (scientists and practitioners) were saying the same things 30-40 years ago.
I’m not a fan of the geoengineering stuff (although I’m well out of date now). We’ve certainly got the technology we need to transition to a green economy though. And are doing pretty well on that front. The sector’s bucking the general UK economic doldrums trend and growing rapidly. There aren’t many issues around ramping up at scale as far as I’m aware (not for electricity generation, but batteries is another thing) and renewable energy is getting cheaper all the time. That gives me some hope.
But ultimately, yes we’re not going anywhere near fast enough, as proven by the acceleration of CO2 levels. On that basis it looks like we’re fked. Especially as it’s now essentially over to the politicians and we don’t seem able to get all of the public on board either. | |
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| Suicide. on 19:20 - Jan 17 with 1716 views | NthQldITFC |
| Suicide. on 18:22 - Jan 17 by Swansea_Blue |
I’m not sure I understand the point you’re making, sorry. You’ll have no arguments from me that the scientists have largely been ignored. It used to be my thing and I worked and published on CC impacts here in the UK and overseas. It’s been a disaster long forecasted. We (scientists and practitioners) were saying the same things 30-40 years ago.
I’m not a fan of the geoengineering stuff (although I’m well out of date now). We’ve certainly got the technology we need to transition to a green economy though. And are doing pretty well on that front. The sector’s bucking the general UK economic doldrums trend and growing rapidly. There aren’t many issues around ramping up at scale as far as I’m aware (not for electricity generation, but batteries is another thing) and renewable energy is getting cheaper all the time. That gives me some hope.
But ultimately, yes we’re not going anywhere near fast enough, as proven by the acceleration of CO2 levels. On that basis it looks like we’re fked. Especially as it’s now essentially over to the politicians and we don’t seem able to get all of the public on board either. |
The last bit is the worst; the public seem to be turning off to me (personal experience) and without 'the public' business-linked, profit- and growth-obsessed politicians will not act. That's why I rant at the public primarily. | |
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| Suicide. on 20:25 - Jan 17 with 1591 views | benrhyddingblue |
As someone who has covered climate change issues and our supposed response to it for almost 25 years as a journalist, it has been pretty much a depressing picture for all that time. Unfortunately from a political standpoint climate change isn’t a subject that wins elections and in the US it’s always been an ideological issue rather than a scientific one in politics. We, as a planet, went over the 1.5C target last year - like it was ever a meaningful target - ie, one that a country could be held accountable for if not achieved.
I hope everything is wrong in the projections and predictions but I don’t think they are from the analysis I’ve read over the years. unfortunately too many people who really have no clue about the science get to have a prominent say on this, be it political or in the press, and the debate always includes these people so they can provide enough doubt in people’s minds. To me nothing has changed on this issue in 25 years, despite the science being stronger than ever. | | | |
| Suicide. on 22:45 - Jan 18 with 1135 views | Europablue |
| Suicide. on 19:20 - Jan 17 by NthQldITFC |
The last bit is the worst; the public seem to be turning off to me (personal experience) and without 'the public' business-linked, profit- and growth-obsessed politicians will not act. That's why I rant at the public primarily. |
People living from pay check to pay check don't think ahead very far. An approach that does not improve people's lives is bound to fail. | | | |
| Suicide. on 22:55 - Jan 18 with 1099 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Suicide. on 22:45 - Jan 18 by Europablue |
People living from pay check to pay check don't think ahead very far. An approach that does not improve people's lives is bound to fail. |
It does improve people's lives in the long run.
Governments need to be brave and do the right thing, whilst ignoring the blithering idiots taking the Trump and Badenoch line. | | | |
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