| What has this season taught you? 09:24 - Feb 2 with 2412 views | RegencyBlue |
For me it’s that in general there is a massive gulf in quality between a very good Championship player and a middling PL player!
Our transfer strategy of buying the best in the Championship hasn’t really worked, although given the limits on the amount of money we are allowed to spend it’s hard to see what else we could have realistically done. The £100million+ we have spent would probably only have bought maybe 3 established PL players and it’s doubtful that would have been enough anyway.
The PL is fast becoming a closed shop. Once again the three promoted sides look as if they will be relegated. Hard to see it changing anytime soon. |  | | |  |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:32 - Feb 2 with 2162 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
I underestimated the step up.
And our recruitment of the best Championship players means either the club did too, or they half expected relegation and our strategy was 'hope for the best, but prepare for the worst'. |  | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:39 - Feb 2 with 2098 views | trncbluearmy |
Start the season with a good reliable experienced goalkeeper |  | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:40 - Feb 2 with 2089 views | BloomBlue |
As I've mentioned on here previously Harry Redknapp predicted 3 years ago that promotion/relegation to/from the PL would eventually kill itself because of the gulf in income between the PL and Champ. His prediction was the same 3 teams promoted would be relegated the following season, and given the ballon payments, you will end up with 6 teams who each year just keep swapping between Champ & PL |  | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:44 - Feb 2 with 2050 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:40 - Feb 2 by BloomBlue |
As I've mentioned on here previously Harry Redknapp predicted 3 years ago that promotion/relegation to/from the PL would eventually kill itself because of the gulf in income between the PL and Champ. His prediction was the same 3 teams promoted would be relegated the following season, and given the ballon payments, you will end up with 6 teams who each year just keep swapping between Champ & PL |
They have actively worked towards that for a long time. Self preservation.
And the difference is largely about athleticism and size as well as technical ability. | | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:47 - Feb 2 with 2001 views | EdwardStone |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:44 - Feb 2 by redrickstuhaart |
They have actively worked towards that for a long time. Self preservation.
And the difference is largely about athleticism and size as well as technical ability. |
Yes, exactly this
The good Prem players are huuuge, brutal and very very fast with excellent football skills.
Almost all of them
Our slight-built skillful players are simply brushed of the ball |  | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:49 - Feb 2 with 1989 views | BrianTablet |
That team cohesion and spirit is worth more than £100 million. |  |
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| What has this season taught you? on 09:56 - Feb 2 with 1927 views | ITFC_Forever |
Yep.
The gulf between the standard of the Champ and the Prem is enormous.
And with the way the Prem has set the rules to suit themselves, it’s becoming a closed shop as it’s so hard for promoted teams to establish themselves. |  |
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| What has this season taught you? on 10:01 - Feb 2 with 1886 views | ITFCBlues |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:49 - Feb 2 by BrianTablet |
That team cohesion and spirit is worth more than £100 million. |
Yeah, we should've kept Harness, Jackson, Ball etc because that team cohesion would've kept us up alone.
It's quite clear that whilst that would've helped, alot of the players who we got prompted with simply wouldn't have cut it. |  |
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| What has this season taught you? on 10:04 - Feb 2 with 1832 views | southnorfolkblue |
| What has this season taught you? on 09:39 - Feb 2 by trncbluearmy |
Start the season with a good reliable experienced goalkeeper |
Easier said than done though.
United spent 50 mill on Onana and he’s prone to some absolute shockers…unless he’s playing against us of course | |
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| What has this season taught you? on 10:15 - Feb 2 with 1799 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:01 - Feb 2 by ITFCBlues |
Yeah, we should've kept Harness, Jackson, Ball etc because that team cohesion would've kept us up alone.
It's quite clear that whilst that would've helped, alot of the players who we got prompted with simply wouldn't have cut it. |
True, but should we have put more faith in Woolfy, Burgess, Chappers and Broady? I think we should.
Obviously it's not an option now, but earlier in the season we missed that telepathic understanding between Chappers and Burns.
Broady has looked PL quality whenever he's played. And Burgess hasn't done much wrong whenever he's played, plus he's much better than Greaves at finding Leif with balls down line. | | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:19 - Feb 2 with 1757 views | ITFCBlues |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:15 - Feb 2 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
True, but should we have put more faith in Woolfy, Burgess, Chappers and Broady? I think we should.
Obviously it's not an option now, but earlier in the season we missed that telepathic understanding between Chappers and Burns.
Broady has looked PL quality whenever he's played. And Burgess hasn't done much wrong whenever he's played, plus he's much better than Greaves at finding Leif with balls down line. |
OShea has been excellent in place of Wolfy. Burgess I'd agree, Greaves hasn't really kicked on. Broady has been decent as well since he returned from injury, but even yesterday he had 2 glorious chances that he missed. Chappers just isn't good enough.
Even with those players you've listed, there's still 5 or 6 new faces that'd be requires in the starting 11. | |
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| What has this season taught you? on 10:30 - Feb 2 with 1682 views | southnorfolkblue |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:15 - Feb 2 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
True, but should we have put more faith in Woolfy, Burgess, Chappers and Broady? I think we should.
Obviously it's not an option now, but earlier in the season we missed that telepathic understanding between Chappers and Burns.
Broady has looked PL quality whenever he's played. And Burgess hasn't done much wrong whenever he's played, plus he's much better than Greaves at finding Leif with balls down line. |
That’s fair enough but highlights how we’ve been blighted by injuries. Broady missed pre season and has been playing catch up for the first half of the season. Wes looked miles off the pace to start with. He was starting to come good…and bang he’s out for the season. Chappers similar although he’ll be back soon, but personally I don’t think he’s as effective when Wes isn’t playing and vice versa.
Promotion to this division is hard enough without getting such rotten luck with injuries | |
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| What has this season taught you? on 10:32 - Feb 2 with 1653 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:19 - Feb 2 by ITFCBlues |
OShea has been excellent in place of Wolfy. Burgess I'd agree, Greaves hasn't really kicked on. Broady has been decent as well since he returned from injury, but even yesterday he had 2 glorious chances that he missed. Chappers just isn't good enough.
Even with those players you've listed, there's still 5 or 6 new faces that'd be requires in the starting 11. |
O shea does not play the ball like Wolfy though. Which translates into the midfield and everywhere else.
If we are defending a lot, we do need cbs who can play and join the midfield when its our turn to push out. Dont underestimate the impact that tightening defensively with O shea and Axel etc has on our ability to create space further forward, as a result of the likes of Clarke and Wolf not being there. | | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:34 - Feb 2 with 1637 views | azuremerlangus |
Don’t renew your membership if expecting some sort of ticket priority. |  |
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| What has this season taught you? on 10:36 - Feb 2 with 1626 views | Blue_Heath |
That the premier league has ruined football and that we have wasted a fortune to make the team (Delap and O'Shea aside) go backwards destroying team spirit in the process.
There is no togetherness, no leadership, last season Connor Chaplin sprinted the length of the pitch as a sub to celebrate all of that has evaporated and will be difficult to re-kindle. | | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:37 - Feb 2 with 1612 views | ITFCBlues |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:32 - Feb 2 by redrickstuhaart |
O shea does not play the ball like Wolfy though. Which translates into the midfield and everywhere else.
If we are defending a lot, we do need cbs who can play and join the midfield when its our turn to push out. Dont underestimate the impact that tightening defensively with O shea and Axel etc has on our ability to create space further forward, as a result of the likes of Clarke and Wolf not being there. |
Wolf has played a number of games this season and we've been equally as ineffective in all of them so that's not the case. The issue with being able to play out from the back stems from the midfield just not being as capable at this level, that much is glaringly obvious. | |
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| What has this season taught you? on 10:44 - Feb 2 with 1568 views | CopfordBlue |
That we must never accept sleepwalking into league one again. [Post edited 2 Feb 10:45]
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| What has this season taught you? on 10:47 - Feb 2 with 1527 views | meekreech |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:30 - Feb 2 by southnorfolkblue |
That’s fair enough but highlights how we’ve been blighted by injuries. Broady missed pre season and has been playing catch up for the first half of the season. Wes looked miles off the pace to start with. He was starting to come good…and bang he’s out for the season. Chappers similar although he’ll be back soon, but personally I don’t think he’s as effective when Wes isn’t playing and vice versa.
Promotion to this division is hard enough without getting such rotten luck with injuries |
I my mind it has been confirmed that promotion came too soon as the project was not completed with the necessary experienced players in house . Another year of consolidation , in the championship,would , in my mind , have given us the opportunity to make the necessary signings to give us the best chance of survival upon promotion. We are now having to make the most of our chances to make the necessary adjustments under the pressure of being near the bottom of the standings. | |
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| What has this season taught you? on 10:53 - Feb 2 with 1487 views | OldFart71 |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:01 - Feb 2 by ITFCBlues |
Yeah, we should've kept Harness, Jackson, Ball etc because that team cohesion would've kept us up alone.
It's quite clear that whilst that would've helped, alot of the players who we got prompted with simply wouldn't have cut it. |
I'm sorry but I totally disagree that Harness, Jackson and Ball would have kept us up. The players brought in were what we could afford, what we are allowed under the rules. Whilst I don't subscribe to the belief that things are the same with relegation as they were in the Burley years in that there's any remote chance of administration even if we had developed the Cobbold stand. Things are so much different now what with Gamechanger and parachute payments and of course having Delap as a major asset who could possibly wipe out 2/3rds of our outlay on players. Football and the Premier League have taken monumental strides to the extent where you get a half decent player for 20 million, someone a bit better at 30-40 million but if you want a top gun then it's the best part of 100 million and wages of £500,000 a week. Madness yes, but also a reality. Sadly the days when a Paul Mariner, Kevin Beattie of an Arnold Muhren could be picked up for peanuts are long gone. We need to develop our own players which isn't happening. Whilst things are taking place to make this aspect better it may take 5-10 years before we start seeing the fruits of this. | | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:58 - Feb 2 with 1447 views | Bluebell |
That McKenna should choose his best squad and stick to it (barring injuries of course).
Changing so many players to start each game is not working. The players don’t form partnerships. Last season Woolfie/Clarke, Morsy/ Luongo, Burns/ Chaplin , Davis/ Burgess. They all knew what the other was thinking!
Also subs should be brought on much sooner! |  | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:58 - Feb 2 with 1445 views | ITFCBlues |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:53 - Feb 2 by OldFart71 |
I'm sorry but I totally disagree that Harness, Jackson and Ball would have kept us up. The players brought in were what we could afford, what we are allowed under the rules. Whilst I don't subscribe to the belief that things are the same with relegation as they were in the Burley years in that there's any remote chance of administration even if we had developed the Cobbold stand. Things are so much different now what with Gamechanger and parachute payments and of course having Delap as a major asset who could possibly wipe out 2/3rds of our outlay on players. Football and the Premier League have taken monumental strides to the extent where you get a half decent player for 20 million, someone a bit better at 30-40 million but if you want a top gun then it's the best part of 100 million and wages of £500,000 a week. Madness yes, but also a reality. Sadly the days when a Paul Mariner, Kevin Beattie of an Arnold Muhren could be picked up for peanuts are long gone. We need to develop our own players which isn't happening. Whilst things are taking place to make this aspect better it may take 5-10 years before we start seeing the fruits of this. |
It was sarcasm.
It's clear they wouldn't have cut it, which was exactly my point. The squad needed an overhaul and we weren't starting from a strong enough base to be able to add 4 or 5 really strong PL players, we had to take the route we have. | |
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| What has this season taught you? on 11:00 - Feb 2 with 1411 views | _clive_baker_ |
And when teams do break the rules on spending they’re rarely punished with anything too damaging. A part of me resents the approach Forest took and their measly 4 point deduction for breaching the threshold by £35m! But another part of me thinks fair play, they’ve firmly established themselves back as a premier league club as a result, and it’s not their fault the powers are completely gutless. Man City as well, all these charges but it’s worked.
If I’m Leeds and I get promoted next season I would say sod the rules if you’re that was inclined, spend enough to establish in the league and by the time it catches up with you it probably won’t matter if you’re a middling mid table side by then. You’ll likely be well clear of the other dross that’s been promoted since. |  | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 11:07 - Feb 2 with 1367 views | Denny32 |
Moronic thread ...we all knew that. Even the dogs on the street has it from the start!!!.so you thought it was,going to be a doddle to stay up..Jesus wept !!! | | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 11:13 - Feb 2 with 1322 views | Bluebell |
| What has this season taught you? on 10:15 - Feb 2 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
True, but should we have put more faith in Woolfy, Burgess, Chappers and Broady? I think we should.
Obviously it's not an option now, but earlier in the season we missed that telepathic understanding between Chappers and Burns.
Broady has looked PL quality whenever he's played. And Burgess hasn't done much wrong whenever he's played, plus he's much better than Greaves at finding Leif with balls down line. |
I agree to some extent. Yesterday we started with 4 of the Championship team. Morsy, Davis, Broadhead and Hutchinson. Taylor, Hirst and Slicker on the bench. Would the old team have been worse?
We might as well be relegated with a team with passion for Ipswich than spending millions on players who move on for the biggest pay packet.
I apologise for the rant. I am just annoyed we couldn’t get at least a point yesterday.  | | | |
| What has this season taught you? on 12:00 - Feb 2 with 1181 views | RegencyBlue |
| What has this season taught you? on 11:07 - Feb 2 by Denny32 |
Moronic thread ...we all knew that. Even the dogs on the street has it from the start!!!.so you thought it was,going to be a doddle to stay up..Jesus wept !!! |
No I didn’t actually!
I thought we could just stay up if everything went for us. What I didn’t realise was just how high the standard is in every PL player. The physicality is on a different level and they are all incredibly comfortable with the ball and game management. Expected that from the top teams but thought there might be some weaknesses in teams who hadn’t been in the PL for long or who had habitually struggled.
Pardon me for expressing an opinion. Clearly your self proclaimed knowledge was greater than mine! | | | |
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