| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 17:15 - Jul 17 with 1103 views | redrickstuhaart |
Not necessarily the music industry.
Bands have always fallen away after promising starts or a short spell of fame. Not exactly a household name are they? |  | |  |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 17:25 - Jul 17 with 1060 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 17:15 - Jul 17 by redrickstuhaart |
Not necessarily the music industry.
Bands have always fallen away after promising starts or a short spell of fame. Not exactly a household name are they? |
The point they make in their statement that the article is based on is that this is entirely down to streaming.
They used to make enough from gigs and CD sales, but now CD sales have completely dried up, and playing as a Doors tribute band pays the bills. | | | |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 17:34 - Jul 17 with 1029 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 17:25 - Jul 17 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The point they make in their statement that the article is based on is that this is entirely down to streaming.
They used to make enough from gigs and CD sales, but now CD sales have completely dried up, and playing as a Doors tribute band pays the bills. |
That is absolutely correct. Spotify et al pay an utter pittance to people who used to be able to sell cds and make a living. Millions of plays needed. | | | |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 19:17 - Jul 17 with 833 views | Guthrum |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 17:34 - Jul 17 by redrickstuhaart |
That is absolutely correct. Spotify et al pay an utter pittance to people who used to be able to sell cds and make a living. Millions of plays needed. |
That having been said, Spotify and the like give a self-publishing platform to groups/artists who might previously have never got record contracts or been promoted adequately to get noticed, played on the radio and into the charts. |  |
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| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 19:33 - Jul 17 with 807 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 19:17 - Jul 17 by Guthrum |
That having been said, Spotify and the like give a self-publishing platform to groups/artists who might previously have never got record contracts or been promoted adequately to get noticed, played on the radio and into the charts. |
This is also true, but ironically, Spotify's own algorithms are designed to serve up songs that are already being highly streamed. You can't get on the stations or Spotify playlists if you don't have many streams, so it makes it virtually impossible to use the platform to gain a wider audience.
They are also creating their own AI- generated music to fill their playlists which means they pay out less royalties.
If you want a streaming platform as an unknown or new artist, then Pandora is best, as it gives you ample opportunity to promote your own songs and get them out there. Spotify is the pits for songwriters and artists. |  | | |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 20:05 - Jul 17 with 764 views | stjohnsblue |
We put Filed Music on in The Baths, Jan 2022 to about 200 people, they were such great people. Incredible band, super talented, radio play (6 music mostly) and critically acclaimed. They also work as guitar teachers and with young kids in the area getting them into music. It's tough out there for artists and grass roots venues while arenas and majority of major artists don't contribute anything back into the ecosystem which helped grow them. Imagine the premier league not investing in grass roots football....it doesn't happen in the music industry. I'm saddened but not surprised. | | | |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 20:10 - Jul 17 with 735 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 19:17 - Jul 17 by Guthrum |
That having been said, Spotify and the like give a self-publishing platform to groups/artists who might previously have never got record contracts or been promoted adequately to get noticed, played on the radio and into the charts. |
Its not that hard to produce one's own cd.
The problem is that professional experienced artists have lost their main income stream completely. Millions of plays making them a few hundred quid. | | | |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 20:11 - Jul 17 with 731 views | Dubtractor |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 17:15 - Jul 17 by redrickstuhaart |
Not necessarily the music industry.
Bands have always fallen away after promising starts or a short spell of fame. Not exactly a household name are they? |
Field Music have a decent sized fan base, and very well respected in the industry. |  |
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| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:15 - Jul 18 with 489 views | glasso |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 17:34 - Jul 17 by redrickstuhaart |
That is absolutely correct. Spotify et al pay an utter pittance to people who used to be able to sell cds and make a living. Millions of plays needed. |
Nobody just drops self-published tracks on to Spotify and 'makes it', though. That's a complete myth.
I was in a band back in the day that did 'OK', long before Spotify. We were of the 'home made CDs to give out after a gig' era. I wish we had Spotify back then but only because it would've been an easy way for people to look us up after they've left our gig. Same for Instagram, really. It would've helped massively.
BUT... none of that would have counted for anything if we weren't playing hundreds of gigs, all of which we lost money on. And I mean ALL of them. We once played as a support band in a sold out Brixton Academy for two nights. Our fee? £100 for the two nights, between four people.
It's always been like that, but nowadays the expectation is that music is free. Worthless art doesn't earn a living. Spotify promised a lot, but actually just delivered a hammer blow to the industry. | | | |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:41 - Jul 18 with 425 views | FBI |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:15 - Jul 18 by glasso |
Nobody just drops self-published tracks on to Spotify and 'makes it', though. That's a complete myth.
I was in a band back in the day that did 'OK', long before Spotify. We were of the 'home made CDs to give out after a gig' era. I wish we had Spotify back then but only because it would've been an easy way for people to look us up after they've left our gig. Same for Instagram, really. It would've helped massively.
BUT... none of that would have counted for anything if we weren't playing hundreds of gigs, all of which we lost money on. And I mean ALL of them. We once played as a support band in a sold out Brixton Academy for two nights. Our fee? £100 for the two nights, between four people.
It's always been like that, but nowadays the expectation is that music is free. Worthless art doesn't earn a living. Spotify promised a lot, but actually just delivered a hammer blow to the industry. |
Music has no perceived value any more.
I was in the same position as you, in the Britpop era, and we did okay from merch and CDs/vinyl.
My current band (Landspeeder, not that anyone will care) is objectively bigger in comparison to my B-list toilet circuit mob back in the day, yet we make considerably less money. For example, I've just pulled up the Spotify stats for last 7 days: 1349 streams. That's earned us approximately a fiver, or £1.25 each.
If we put out hard copy versions we've learned from experience that nobody wants them any more. I actually earn more from songwriting royalties than from streaming. |  |
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| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:45 - Jul 18 with 395 views | Dubtractor |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:41 - Jul 18 by FBI |
Music has no perceived value any more.
I was in the same position as you, in the Britpop era, and we did okay from merch and CDs/vinyl.
My current band (Landspeeder, not that anyone will care) is objectively bigger in comparison to my B-list toilet circuit mob back in the day, yet we make considerably less money. For example, I've just pulled up the Spotify stats for last 7 days: 1349 streams. That's earned us approximately a fiver, or £1.25 each.
If we put out hard copy versions we've learned from experience that nobody wants them any more. I actually earn more from songwriting royalties than from streaming. |
This is why I almost always buy a t shirt when I go to a gig, as it's one of the few ways a band can get some income. | |
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| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:51 - Jul 18 with 357 views | FBI |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:45 - Jul 18 by Dubtractor |
This is why I almost always buy a t shirt when I go to a gig, as it's one of the few ways a band can get some income. |
On behalf of all of us musicians, thanks.
We play in Camden fairly regularly and just about break even through flogging shirts and stickers. Mind you we do have to drive from home in North Devon to London and back in a day. | |
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| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:51 - Jul 18 with 357 views | blueasfook |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 17:34 - Jul 17 by redrickstuhaart |
That is absolutely correct. Spotify et al pay an utter pittance to people who used to be able to sell cds and make a living. Millions of plays needed. |
Artists make the bulk of their money from tours. Record sales now make up a small part of a band's income as sales have dried up thanks to streaming services. They make a fraction of a penny on each song streamed, but if they've got millions of listeners then still a respectable income I guess. But touring is the big earner now for a band with a large following. |  |
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| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 14:56 - Jul 18 with 199 views | glasso |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:45 - Jul 18 by Dubtractor |
This is why I almost always buy a t shirt when I go to a gig, as it's one of the few ways a band can get some income. |
Hero!
But even on those, often bloody huge concert promoters/venues take a cut of the merch sales, which is ridiculous. Everyone takes their pound and the artist is always the one left with the pennies. | | | |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 15:27 - Jul 18 with 163 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 12:51 - Jul 18 by blueasfook |
Artists make the bulk of their money from tours. Record sales now make up a small part of a band's income as sales have dried up thanks to streaming services. They make a fraction of a penny on each song streamed, but if they've got millions of listeners then still a respectable income I guess. But touring is the big earner now for a band with a large following. |
Only if you are big. Marketing, venues, staff, travel etc are not cheap. Very hard to break even for mostt.
Spotify pays a pittance bwcauae the big artists cutbtheir own deals and get proportionately more.
Destroys the album format and limits audience for anything other than your most popular song or two. | | | |
| The realities of the Music Industry 2025 on 15:41 - Jul 18 with 142 views | baxterbasics |
Just to contrast, took my daughter to the O2 arena to see Billie Eilish last night. £150 a ticket, £90 for the merch she bought, along with tens of thousands of other fans.
The gap is huge. |  |
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