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For those voting Corbyn on 20:18 - Jun 7 by Ryorry
Weird fact of the day - people can change as they get older.
Yes , there's an irony there that 40 years ago Corbin may or may not had some sympathy with the IRA, while we export billions in arms to the Saudis and Qatar
For those voting Corbyn on 20:22 - Jun 7 by LeoMuff
Yes , there's an irony there that 40 years ago Corbin may or may not had some sympathy with the IRA, while we export billions in arms to the Saudis and Qatar
You can't even spell his name let alone engage in intelligent political debate.
Even today he doesn't condemn the Irish terrorists that killed British people on our soil but he's got your vote for PM has he?
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For those voting Corbyn on 20:30 - Jun 7 with 3106 views
Here is my view on Corbyn and the IRA, as detatched as possible from any other issue in this election.
His sympathy with the Irish Republican cause at a macro level is not something I particularly care about or which to comment upon. I did not live through the worst of it, let alone amongst it, and it is not a period of history which I have studied in any great detail.
However, his appearance at events and rallies with known Republican militants at a time when bombs were falling in Britain is lamentable and I do not condone it nor wish it swept under the rug. Do I have concerns over those associations in the current landscape? To some extent, but not nearly enough to worry me in 2017.
His condemnation of the bombings themselves is, in my opinion, unequivocal.
On balance, judging as I have the issues, policies, personalities, and local considerations, his record in this area is nowhere near deplorable enough for me to flat out refuse to vote Labour tomorrow.
You can't even spell his name let alone engage in intelligent political debate.
Even today he doesn't condemn the Irish terrorists that killed British people on our soil but he's got your vote for PM has he?
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I think pointing out that plenty of other politicians have supported murderers and the perpetrators of terror.
And how about seeing The Troubles in a bit of context, eh? Britain's treatment of the Irish was appalling for centuries, and there are at least three Bloody Sundays that I can think of where the Irish and their supporters were at the rough end - or the barrel end - of the British Army and/or Police.
Whilst two wrongs don't make a right, context does help us to take a more measured view, and guard against trotting out trite headlines from the alarmist press.
For those voting Corbyn on 20:32 - Jun 7 by unbelievablue
Here is my view on Corbyn and the IRA, as detatched as possible from any other issue in this election.
His sympathy with the Irish Republican cause at a macro level is not something I particularly care about or which to comment upon. I did not live through the worst of it, let alone amongst it, and it is not a period of history which I have studied in any great detail.
However, his appearance at events and rallies with known Republican militants at a time when bombs were falling in Britain is lamentable and I do not condone it nor wish it swept under the rug. Do I have concerns over those associations in the current landscape? To some extent, but not nearly enough to worry me in 2017.
His condemnation of the bombings themselves is, in my opinion, unequivocal.
On balance, judging as I have the issues, policies, personalities, and local considerations, his record in this area is nowhere near deplorable enough for me to flat out refuse to vote Labour tomorrow.
His condemnation of the bombings themselves is, in my opinion, unequivocal.
I stopped short.
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For those voting Corbyn on 20:41 - Jun 7 with 3057 views
For those voting Corbyn on 20:12 - Jun 7 by clive_baker
I wasn't commenting on that, I was commenting on the fact you hadn't answered his question.
But personally I'm uneasy with a chap that regarded Hamas and Hazbollah as 'friends'. Questionable judge of character. Each to their own.
I lived in Israel for several years during a very turbulent period of regular bombings and had the misfortune to witness a suicide bombing first hand. However, I have no problem with his meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah. The only way to solve the problem is talking - if there was a military solution Israel would have achieved it years ago. Someone has to be brave and take the lead in talking to these people, even if they are very unpleasant and even if it makes the people that do it unpopular.
Corbyn reminds me of Uri Avnery, an Israeli politician who met the PLO during the Lebanon War in 1982 when general opinion towards the PLO was similar to that towards Hamas today (he was even disinherited by his mother for the meeting). However, Israelis gradually came round to the idea that the PLO could be talked to, which was how they eventually ended up recognising Israel's right to exist and the subsequent Oslo Agreements were arrived at.
Even if Avnery was not involved in any of the peace deals, he perhaps helped contributed to normalising the idea of talking to the enemy in the public's mind.
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For those voting Corbyn on 20:43 - Jun 7 with 3038 views
For those voting Corbyn on 20:32 - Jun 7 by unbelievablue
Here is my view on Corbyn and the IRA, as detatched as possible from any other issue in this election.
His sympathy with the Irish Republican cause at a macro level is not something I particularly care about or which to comment upon. I did not live through the worst of it, let alone amongst it, and it is not a period of history which I have studied in any great detail.
However, his appearance at events and rallies with known Republican militants at a time when bombs were falling in Britain is lamentable and I do not condone it nor wish it swept under the rug. Do I have concerns over those associations in the current landscape? To some extent, but not nearly enough to worry me in 2017.
His condemnation of the bombings themselves is, in my opinion, unequivocal.
On balance, judging as I have the issues, policies, personalities, and local considerations, his record in this area is nowhere near deplorable enough for me to flat out refuse to vote Labour tomorrow.
The question I would ask you is would you be bothered if a minor back bench MP knowingly shared a platform with an IS terrorist whilst he was on the run from the security services after murdering a British policeman?
And if this minor back bench MP became leader of the Labour party in 35 years time would you think he was a fit and proper person to be British Prime Minister?
For those voting Corbyn on 20:43 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue
The question I would ask you is would you be bothered if a minor back bench MP knowingly shared a platform with an IS terrorist whilst he was on the run from the security services after murdering a British policeman?
And if this minor back bench MP became leader of the Labour party in 35 years time would you think he was a fit and proper person to be British Prime Minister?
I get your point entirely, and my answer would be something along the lines of: I honestly don't know. I know you half-expect me to say "it's different", but I think it's a fair comparison, though obviously I didn't experience any of the Troubles to validate it.
I would point out though that I've not actually said at any point that I endorse him as a fit and proper person to be British Prime Minister. I'm not sure, to be honest, whether he is or he isn't.
n.b. my Labour vote tomorrow is predicated on both local and national issues, and somewhat tactical. I'm not sure about Corbyn, and having a local candidate who resigned from his shadow cabinet and refuses to openly endorse him as leader, helped me decide. And, as I previously posted, I'd point out again that I've spoken to three of the 5 candidates personally.
For those voting Corbyn on 20:53 - Jun 7 by unbelievablue
I get your point entirely, and my answer would be something along the lines of: I honestly don't know. I know you half-expect me to say "it's different", but I think it's a fair comparison, though obviously I didn't experience any of the Troubles to validate it.
I would point out though that I've not actually said at any point that I endorse him as a fit and proper person to be British Prime Minister. I'm not sure, to be honest, whether he is or he isn't.
n.b. my Labour vote tomorrow is predicated on both local and national issues, and somewhat tactical. I'm not sure about Corbyn, and having a local candidate who resigned from his shadow cabinet and refuses to openly endorse him as leader, helped me decide. And, as I previously posted, I'd point out again that I've spoken to three of the 5 candidates personally.
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Fair comment. As I have said before, I am old enough to remember the troubles. Unfortunately this doesn't cut through to most people under the age of 40.
He was political activist for them, nicked at a demonstration in the 1980s. Still can't bring himself to condemn them. Shame on those that vote for him.
That is a lie.
Stop regugitating stuff that you hardly understand from rags like the Daily Hate Mail who, rather that expound on the wonderful Tory policies, have 13 pages of hate filled misinformation
To over excite fools like you.
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For those voting Corbyn on 21:17 - Jun 7 with 2941 views
For those voting Corbyn on 20:43 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue
The question I would ask you is would you be bothered if a minor back bench MP knowingly shared a platform with an IS terrorist whilst he was on the run from the security services after murdering a British policeman?
And if this minor back bench MP became leader of the Labour party in 35 years time would you think he was a fit and proper person to be British Prime Minister?
What proportion of your time here has been spent on this and how much telling us of the wonderful Tory policies would you imagine ?
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
What proportion of your time here has been spent on this and how much telling us of the wonderful Tory policies would you imagine ?
I have spent zero hours telling people how wonderful the Tory policies are because most of the manifesto is Ed Milband's cast offs. The Tories haven't offered up a single reason why anyone should vote for them.
That doesn't make Corbyn any less of an apologist for the IRA and it is something I feel strongly about.
For those voting Corbyn on 20:56 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue
Fair comment. As I have said before, I am old enough to remember the troubles. Unfortunately this doesn't cut through to most people under the age of 40.
Probably lucky for you that you're not a few centuries old....ah Cromwell now those were the days !
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
For those voting Corbyn on 21:20 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue
I have spent zero hours telling people how wonderful the Tory policies are because most of the manifesto is Ed Milband's cast offs. The Tories haven't offered up a single reason why anyone should vote for them.
That doesn't make Corbyn any less of an apologist for the IRA and it is something I feel strongly about.
So why are you voting for them?
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
For those voting Corbyn on 21:24 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue
Because the alternative would put us back to living in caves.
If this Labour was a competent, centrist party led by Yvette Cooper, without any of the baggage that JC brings with him, would you have been tempted to vote against May's tories?
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For those voting Corbyn on 21:32 - Jun 7 with 2899 views
For those voting Corbyn on 21:31 - Jun 7 by m14_blue
If this Labour was a competent, centrist party led by Yvette Cooper, without any of the baggage that JC brings with him, would you have been tempted to vote against May's tories?
I'd be interested in a new centrist party if they would lose the fixation of the EU.
Alternatively, please get a safe Westminster seat Ruth Davidson and stand against May.
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