| For those voting Corbyn 19:51 - Jun 7 with 13443 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Do you not care about his IRA sympathizing? Genuine question.... |  | | |  |
| For those voting Corbyn on 21:40 - Jun 7 with 4404 views | giant_stow |
| For those voting Corbyn on 20:41 - Jun 7 by Clapham_Junction |
I lived in Israel for several years during a very turbulent period of regular bombings and had the misfortune to witness a suicide bombing first hand. However, I have no problem with his meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah. The only way to solve the problem is talking - if there was a military solution Israel would have achieved it years ago. Someone has to be brave and take the lead in talking to these people, even if they are very unpleasant and even if it makes the people that do it unpopular.
Corbyn reminds me of Uri Avnery, an Israeli politician who met the PLO during the Lebanon War in 1982 when general opinion towards the PLO was similar to that towards Hamas today (he was even disinherited by his mother for the meeting). However, Israelis gradually came round to the idea that the PLO could be talked to, which was how they eventually ended up recognising Israel's right to exist and the subsequent Oslo Agreements were arrived at.
Even if Avnery was not involved in any of the peace deals, he perhaps helped contributed to normalising the idea of talking to the enemy in the public's mind. |
First hand? Blimey. You sound like you must have led an interesting life. Anyway, well argued. Edit: swayed me a bit [Post edited 7 Jun 2017 21:46]
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| For those voting Corbyn on 21:41 - Jun 7 with 4396 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| For those voting Corbyn on 20:57 - Jun 7 by HARRY10 |
That is a lie.
Stop regugitating stuff that you hardly understand from rags like the Daily Hate Mail who, rather that expound on the wonderful Tory policies, have 13 pages of hate filled misinformation
To over excite fools like you. |
So he wasn't nicked at a demo in the 80s then? | | | |
| For those voting Corbyn on 21:51 - Jun 7 with 4360 views | factual_blue |
| For those voting Corbyn on 20:41 - Jun 7 by Clapham_Junction |
I lived in Israel for several years during a very turbulent period of regular bombings and had the misfortune to witness a suicide bombing first hand. However, I have no problem with his meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah. The only way to solve the problem is talking - if there was a military solution Israel would have achieved it years ago. Someone has to be brave and take the lead in talking to these people, even if they are very unpleasant and even if it makes the people that do it unpopular.
Corbyn reminds me of Uri Avnery, an Israeli politician who met the PLO during the Lebanon War in 1982 when general opinion towards the PLO was similar to that towards Hamas today (he was even disinherited by his mother for the meeting). However, Israelis gradually came round to the idea that the PLO could be talked to, which was how they eventually ended up recognising Israel's right to exist and the subsequent Oslo Agreements were arrived at.
Even if Avnery was not involved in any of the peace deals, he perhaps helped contributed to normalising the idea of talking to the enemy in the public's mind. |
For those of you who know little of Avnery, here's a picture of him
And here's a picture of Mr Corbyn
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:06 - Jun 7 with 4326 views | GlasgowBlue |
| For those voting Corbyn on 20:41 - Jun 7 by Clapham_Junction |
I lived in Israel for several years during a very turbulent period of regular bombings and had the misfortune to witness a suicide bombing first hand. However, I have no problem with his meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah. The only way to solve the problem is talking - if there was a military solution Israel would have achieved it years ago. Someone has to be brave and take the lead in talking to these people, even if they are very unpleasant and even if it makes the people that do it unpopular.
Corbyn reminds me of Uri Avnery, an Israeli politician who met the PLO during the Lebanon War in 1982 when general opinion towards the PLO was similar to that towards Hamas today (he was even disinherited by his mother for the meeting). However, Israelis gradually came round to the idea that the PLO could be talked to, which was how they eventually ended up recognising Israel's right to exist and the subsequent Oslo Agreements were arrived at.
Even if Avnery was not involved in any of the peace deals, he perhaps helped contributed to normalising the idea of talking to the enemy in the public's mind. |
The problem is that he doesn't come from a position of neutrality and he doesn't talk to both sides.
For example, is there record of Corbyn standing for a minute’s silence for some UVF terrorists killed while on trying to carry out an atrocity? Or are there any records of him attending memorial events for any members of the RUC killed by while doing their duty as policemen? Or are there any records of him remembering members of the British armed forces and security services killed while performing their duties?
Why is it that the only records of him attending memorials and tributes in Northern Ireland are for the IRA?
The same in the middle east. Is there a record of him paying tribute to the heads of any settler movements in the West Bank? Or pictures of him shaking hands with them, invitations to them to speak in Parliament? Any videos of him describing them as ‘friends’?
And if he is really concerned about remembering the people killed by all sides in the Middle East conflicts then why is there no record of him attending events to remember the Jews massacred by Palestinians during the 1948 wars?
His record on such matter is always very selective and partisan.
These are genuine questions which are fair to ask. |  |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:20 - Jun 7 with 4324 views | Dolly2.0 |
| For those voting Corbyn on 21:41 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
So he wasn't nicked at a demo in the 80s then? |
He was arrested but then released without charge. |  |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:23 - Jun 7 with 4312 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:20 - Jun 7 by Dolly2.0 |
He was arrested but then released without charge. |
Wrong place wrong time right? Or he was at a demo for IRA bombers who were then convicted? | | | |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:23 - Jun 7 with 4290 views | lowhouseblue |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:20 - Jun 7 by Dolly2.0 |
He was arrested but then released without charge. |
a demo opposing the trial of the brighton bomber. how do you possibly justify opposing the trial of a mass murderer? |  |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:24 - Jun 7 with 4274 views | GlasgowBlue |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:23 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Wrong place wrong time right? Or he was at a demo for IRA bombers who were then convicted? |
IRA bombers who murdered 5 people and Jezza called it a show trial. | |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:25 - Jun 7 with 4294 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:23 - Jun 7 by lowhouseblue |
a demo opposing the trial of the brighton bomber. how do you possibly justify opposing the trial of a mass murderer? |
it was to "show solidarity with the Irish Republican prisoners put on trial by the British state" apparently..... but that's ok for him to now be PM! The same ones that were subsequently convicted by the way. | | | |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:26 - Jun 7 with 4290 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:24 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
IRA bombers who murdered 5 people and Jezza called it a show trial. |
Get ready for the Ssssshhhh you're a fool that reads the daily mail lefties to report back. | | | |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:29 - Jun 7 with 4276 views | Dolly2.0 |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:23 - Jun 7 by lowhouseblue |
a demo opposing the trial of the brighton bomber. how do you possibly justify opposing the trial of a mass murderer? |
Where have I justified it? I have merely stated the fact that he was arrested and then released without charge. | |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:31 - Jun 7 with 4251 views | lowhouseblue |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:29 - Jun 7 by Dolly2.0 |
Where have I justified it? I have merely stated the fact that he was arrested and then released without charge. |
so does it worry you that the man you support to be prime minister opposed the trial of a mass murderer? | |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:33 - Jun 7 with 4249 views | noggin |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:31 - Jun 7 by lowhouseblue |
so does it worry you that the man you support to be prime minister opposed the trial of a mass murderer? |
Doesn't bother me or millions of others. You should let it go and save yourself the stress. |  |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:33 - Jun 7 with 4249 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:31 - Jun 7 by lowhouseblue |
so does it worry you that the man you support to be prime minister opposed the trial of a mass murderer? |
Against British people. | | | |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:35 - Jun 7 with 4237 views | Darth_Koont |
| For those voting Corbyn on 20:41 - Jun 7 by Clapham_Junction |
I lived in Israel for several years during a very turbulent period of regular bombings and had the misfortune to witness a suicide bombing first hand. However, I have no problem with his meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah. The only way to solve the problem is talking - if there was a military solution Israel would have achieved it years ago. Someone has to be brave and take the lead in talking to these people, even if they are very unpleasant and even if it makes the people that do it unpopular.
Corbyn reminds me of Uri Avnery, an Israeli politician who met the PLO during the Lebanon War in 1982 when general opinion towards the PLO was similar to that towards Hamas today (he was even disinherited by his mother for the meeting). However, Israelis gradually came round to the idea that the PLO could be talked to, which was how they eventually ended up recognising Israel's right to exist and the subsequent Oslo Agreements were arrived at.
Even if Avnery was not involved in any of the peace deals, he perhaps helped contributed to normalising the idea of talking to the enemy in the public's mind. |
Excellent post.
There needs a mindshift on this from a lot of people. We've seen what happens when you actually talk to people in Northern Ireland too, not to mention the manner in which reconciliation has been used to defuse conflicts and their underlying tension such as in South Africa.
Unfortunately, I really believe this is an emotional/pride issue for too many people and they'd rather support the continuation of a fight (and other people's deaths), however pointless, rather than swallow a bit of pride and concede to even sit down and talk.
Now, I'm not saying that ISIS is the same beast with ultimate political goals that can be discussed. But even here, with our domestic counter-terrorism, trying to outmuscle them doesn't make a huge amount of sense. They're like the hydra with a ready source of disaffected young men ready to step in - and all they need is a kitchen knife. It needs a proactive solution and real understanding of the drivers or we're just making ourselves feel good about being tough. |  |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:39 - Jun 7 with 4224 views | Dolly2.0 |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:31 - Jun 7 by lowhouseblue |
so does it worry you that the man you support to be prime minister opposed the trial of a mass murderer? |
It does, yes. But I'd want to know the full details. I'm not going to just go on one highly charged line from someone with a clear anti-Corbyn agenda.
He must've had his reasons. Reasons deeper than 'he supports blowing up innocent men, women and children', which is what you, Glassers and others want us to take away from this. Corbyn has campaigned for peaceful resolutions all his political life, so I don't believe he supports, or ever supported, the murder of innocent people.
Context, nuance, detail are all things I find more important and trustworthy than a Daily Mail style line. | |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:45 - Jun 7 with 4199 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:39 - Jun 7 by Dolly2.0 |
It does, yes. But I'd want to know the full details. I'm not going to just go on one highly charged line from someone with a clear anti-Corbyn agenda.
He must've had his reasons. Reasons deeper than 'he supports blowing up innocent men, women and children', which is what you, Glassers and others want us to take away from this. Corbyn has campaigned for peaceful resolutions all his political life, so I don't believe he supports, or ever supported, the murder of innocent people.
Context, nuance, detail are all things I find more important and trustworthy than a Daily Mail style line. |
The mail mentioned again, I love it. I can link you an article about it from the Times if that helps.
Come on he is an old school socialist activist. A terrorist sympathizer to boot. | | | |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:48 - Jun 7 with 4182 views | lowhouseblue |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:39 - Jun 7 by Dolly2.0 |
It does, yes. But I'd want to know the full details. I'm not going to just go on one highly charged line from someone with a clear anti-Corbyn agenda.
He must've had his reasons. Reasons deeper than 'he supports blowing up innocent men, women and children', which is what you, Glassers and others want us to take away from this. Corbyn has campaigned for peaceful resolutions all his political life, so I don't believe he supports, or ever supported, the murder of innocent people.
Context, nuance, detail are all things I find more important and trustworthy than a Daily Mail style line. |
what nuance leads you to oppose the trial of a mass murderer? | |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:50 - Jun 7 with 4181 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:48 - Jun 7 by lowhouseblue |
what nuance leads you to oppose the trial of a mass murderer? |
It's all about context apparently lol | | | |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:54 - Jun 7 with 4169 views | Darth_Koont |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:45 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
The mail mentioned again, I love it. I can link you an article about it from the Times if that helps.
Come on he is an old school socialist activist. A terrorist sympathizer to boot. |
To be fair, you do sound like the one-track, black is black and white is white Mail reader who's a little too certain of their own simple opinion.
Maybe you can take a step back and see it from the perspective of someone who has another approach to stopping violence and protecting society? There are other opinions and approaches amazingly enough. | |
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| For those voting Corbyn on 22:57 - Jun 7 with 4159 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:39 - Jun 7 by Dolly2.0 |
It does, yes. But I'd want to know the full details. I'm not going to just go on one highly charged line from someone with a clear anti-Corbyn agenda.
He must've had his reasons. Reasons deeper than 'he supports blowing up innocent men, women and children', which is what you, Glassers and others want us to take away from this. Corbyn has campaigned for peaceful resolutions all his political life, so I don't believe he supports, or ever supported, the murder of innocent people.
Context, nuance, detail are all things I find more important and trustworthy than a Daily Mail style line. |
As Glassers stated Corbyn believed it to be a show trial, it probably was .
Edit....have you been enjoying your 3 way love in ?  [Post edited 7 Jun 2017 22:59]
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| For those voting Corbyn on 23:15 - Jun 7 with 4134 views | Dolly2.0 |
| For those voting Corbyn on 22:45 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
The mail mentioned again, I love it. I can link you an article about it from the Times if that helps.
Come on he is an old school socialist activist. A terrorist sympathizer to boot. |
I was referring to the Mail's style of shock headlines, not specifically their views on Corbyn.
Hence the word STYLE. | |
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