| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec 19:04 - Jun 11 with 8986 views | Swansea_Blue |
That's our environment stuffed then 
Lots of people will now be waiting fpr whatever half-baked, madcap ideas he's going to come up with. |  |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:25 - Jun 12 with 3950 views | Swansea_Blue |
They're a bit daft then. I must have been muddling them up with the Lib Dems, who have pledged to keep us in the single market. I thought Labour said they would too, but on checking their manifesto they want "strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union". I'm not sure how you can retain the benefits of either, which rely on multilateral cooperation, without actually being part of both.
Everyone's chasing votes, I wish they'd stick to what they believe in. Lib Dems are closest, but even they should have been bold and positioned themselves as the anti-Brexit party. They can't have done any worse than they did. | |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:45 - Jun 12 with 3936 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:25 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
They're a bit daft then. I must have been muddling them up with the Lib Dems, who have pledged to keep us in the single market. I thought Labour said they would too, but on checking their manifesto they want "strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union". I'm not sure how you can retain the benefits of either, which rely on multilateral cooperation, without actually being part of both.
Everyone's chasing votes, I wish they'd stick to what they believe in. Lib Dems are closest, but even they should have been bold and positioned themselves as the anti-Brexit party. They can't have done any worse than they did. |
There is no difference between the Tory and Labour position on Bexit other than the intention to walk away with no deal rather than accept a bad deal.
Bot parties want tarif free access to the single market whilst regaining control of our borders. |  |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:51 - Jun 12 with 3930 views | hype313 |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:45 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
There is no difference between the Tory and Labour position on Bexit other than the intention to walk away with no deal rather than accept a bad deal.
Bot parties want tarif free access to the single market whilst regaining control of our borders. |
Never going to happen though is it? If the EU cave in and give us tariff free access whilst regaining border control will have a domino affect as Sweden, Denmark, Holland and all others will demand the same. |  |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:53 - Jun 12 with 3927 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:51 - Jun 12 by hype313 |
Never going to happen though is it? If the EU cave in and give us tariff free access whilst regaining border control will have a domino affect as Sweden, Denmark, Holland and all others will demand the same. |
That's my reading of it. Both in cloud cuckoo land. But if the Tories can pull it off then fair enough. | |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:56 - Jun 12 with 3922 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:51 - Jun 12 by hype313 |
Never going to happen though is it? If the EU cave in and give us tariff free access whilst regaining border control will have a domino affect as Sweden, Denmark, Holland and all others will demand the same. |
We are a far bigger trading partner for the EU than the countries you have listed. As ab independent country we are the EU's largest export market. Even ahead of the USA. So I think we have a good hand to play.
Of course there will be a deal. It will involve compromise from both sides and will more than likely include an element of freedom of movement with some restrictions. | |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 10:14 - Jun 12 with 3912 views | BlueNomad |
I'm sure he will listen to the EXPERTS on the environment |  | | |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 10:39 - Jun 12 with 3893 views | factual_blue |
A stupid man from the Stupid Party. |  |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 10:53 - Jun 12 with 3888 views | manchego |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:56 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
We are a far bigger trading partner for the EU than the countries you have listed. As ab independent country we are the EU's largest export market. Even ahead of the USA. So I think we have a good hand to play.
Of course there will be a deal. It will involve compromise from both sides and will more than likely include an element of freedom of movement with some restrictions. |
They cannot and won't let anyone leave the EU and be seen to be much better off .
I think we're over a barrel and they're opening the ky jelly.
Do you remember farages behaviour in Brussels ? They won't forget that and they can't have any more leavers. |  | | |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 11:26 - Jun 12 with 3872 views | Archer4721 |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 19:20 - Jun 11 by vapour_trail |
The "reshuffle" has been hilarious. She doesn't have the power to move anyone on bar Liz Truss. How bad must she be! |
I see David Lidington (whoever he is) is the new Justice secretary.
He's voted against gay rights since the 90's. Opposes laws on human rights. Ardently pro Fox Hunting...Should fit in well with the new regime then. |  | | |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 14:37 - Jun 12 with 3847 views | Ryorry |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 22:38 - Jun 11 by SE1blue |
Teacher's love him. He was so good for the profession and forward thinking.
Oh wait no, he was an utter moron who drove thousands of teachers into other professions.
I'm sure he'll do a great job. |
And was the one who wanted to remove Environmental Studies from the national curriculum .. 
Also in this morning's news - half our children have no idea where cheese, fish fingers or vegetables come from.
Meanwhile, in the USA - http://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/facts-trumps-epa-nominee/
What is it with politicians putting our planet's environment bottom of their list, when it's so fundamental to everything else and should be top? Oh, right - they're greedy, selfish, stupid and short-sighted  |  |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 14:40 - Jun 12 with 3843 views | tcblue |
Imagine having to brief Gove on anything remotely complex. I wonder if he just starts blowing raspberries on you like Pob when he gets bored of all the expert |  | | |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 15:22 - Jun 12 with 3827 views | No9 |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:56 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
We are a far bigger trading partner for the EU than the countries you have listed. As ab independent country we are the EU's largest export market. Even ahead of the USA. So I think we have a good hand to play.
Of course there will be a deal. It will involve compromise from both sides and will more than likely include an element of freedom of movement with some restrictions. |
We are not a large market for the EU
They send us about 11% of their exports some countries sned us almost nothing
Germany sends a lot of stuff to the UK but that only accounts for about 2.5% of German exports.
The real issue is how many car parts do we import?
How many chopper & aircraft parts do we import?
How much steel for nuclear subs comes from France ?
That is apart from liquid fuels from Europort and electricity from France & the Netherlands
& now you need Shell for your gas
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 16:53 - Jun 12 with 3784 views | Archer4721 |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:45 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
There is no difference between the Tory and Labour position on Bexit other than the intention to walk away with no deal rather than accept a bad deal.
Bot parties want tarif free access to the single market whilst regaining control of our borders. |
So why not allow people from the Labour Party have a say on the final deal then? | | | |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 17:19 - Jun 12 with 3770 views | eireblue |
I always worry that the use of that stat, could lead some people down the path of dangerous thinking or at least lead to not understanding what leverage actually exists.
There is more internal trade between an EU country and the EU, than that country will export outside the EU. Around 65/35 split, as an average.
So at best that is 16% of the 35%.
For any individual EU country, their most important trading partner is the EU.
Since the UK will be in effect dealing with the self-interest of of 27 countries, via the EU, that stat has no relevance to an individual EU country. And less relevance for an EU focused on preserving the internal market
Of course the trade between an individual EU country and the UK will be the factor that they may be thinking about.
That would be a more interesting set of stats to consider in terms of impact of loss of the UK as a member of the internal market, for different member states.
E.g.
Inside the bigger EU market, the UK is not the most important trading partner for anyone apart from Ireland. |  | | |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 23:03 - Jun 12 with 3731 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 17:19 - Jun 12 by eireblue |
I always worry that the use of that stat, could lead some people down the path of dangerous thinking or at least lead to not understanding what leverage actually exists.
There is more internal trade between an EU country and the EU, than that country will export outside the EU. Around 65/35 split, as an average.
So at best that is 16% of the 35%.
For any individual EU country, their most important trading partner is the EU.
Since the UK will be in effect dealing with the self-interest of of 27 countries, via the EU, that stat has no relevance to an individual EU country. And less relevance for an EU focused on preserving the internal market
Of course the trade between an individual EU country and the UK will be the factor that they may be thinking about.
That would be a more interesting set of stats to consider in terms of impact of loss of the UK as a member of the internal market, for different member states.
E.g.
Inside the bigger EU market, the UK is not the most important trading partner for anyone apart from Ireland. |
Indeed. And as we're negotiating with the other states via the EU's negotiator, each state is going to be concerned with their relationship with us.
But we won't even get as far as discussing our (limited) importance to individual states. Free movement is the cornerstone of EU policy. We'll have to accept it to get benefits in line with single market membership. The EU have been very explicit about this. And it's bleedingly obvious to understand why.
Happy to be proven wrong though, in the same way I'm happy to be proven wrong that we won't win the Champions League next season. | |
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| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 03:03 - Jun 13 with 3714 views | HARRY10 |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 19:52 - Jun 11 by vapour_trail |
Not sure. He can never lead the party now. I think hes enjoying his new gig. |
I wouldn't think it was a gig, he has been there long enough already invalidate that | | | |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 03:06 - Jun 13 with 3713 views | HARRY10 |
| Oh lordy, Gove as Environment Sec on 09:45 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
There is no difference between the Tory and Labour position on Bexit other than the intention to walk away with no deal rather than accept a bad deal.
Bot parties want tarif free access to the single market whilst regaining control of our borders. |
or neither want it, but are pretending to want it for political reasons
I expect the brexit nonsense to againbbe put back, fudged and finally be alloweed to whither away - although they might have to end it by putting the stake through it's heart by withdrawing article 50 | | | |
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