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Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cancel his plans to broadcast his Outdoor TV channel in the UK. Britain is a nature of animal lovers — we don’t want a channel showing horrific videos of animals being killed for ‘fun’. https://e-activist.com/page/12391/petition/1?ea.url.id=997273&forwarded=true
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Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 16:25 - Aug 2 with 2183 views
Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 09:13 - Aug 2 by RimmersBrace
This is absolutely correct. Hunting is a hugely popular participation sport throughout the world - far more popular than football. It performs a vital conservation function. It teaches discipline and control to kids as well as helping them understand nature.
If you don't like it, or can't afford it, you don't need to do it.
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Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 16:41 - Aug 2 with 2155 views
Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 08:21 - Aug 2 by Radlett_blue
I disapprove of hunting animals for pleasure, especially "trophy hunting" of harmless animals such as giraffes, but hunting is legal in most countries so Kroenke isn't actually doing anything wrong, although I hope Kroenke's ill advised business venture flops.. However, the idea of people boycotting Arsenal as a result of this venture is absurd. You might as well boycott West Ham because you disapprove of pornography or Ipswich Town because you disapprove of ticket touting. The USA has a gun & hunting culture. Energies would be better expended on encouraging them to change their absurd gun laws.
Right is not a synonym of legal. To take the life of another being, merely for fun, is wrong, regardless of whether it is enshrined in another country's law.
People who legally hunt in this country (for food, to kill pests* or to kill diseased animals) that I have met, have come across as compassionate. There is no need to glorify the process on TV, and misrepresent the majority of them.
*animals that threaten crops or other animals.
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Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 15:48 - Aug 2 by GlasgowBlue
What does the fact whether a species is endangered or not have to do with it? Are you saying blood sports are fine if there is an abundance of prey?
I'm not a fan of any blood sport tbh but I would be a rank hypocrite to start signing petitions and condemning the practice when I am quite happy to have animals killed to feed myself.
Speaking of which, I was at Carfest North this weekend and they had Yorkshire Wagyu Beef in the food hall. Very tasty. Have you tried it as the company are based in your neck of the woods.
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If your primary interest is conservation then you'll be most interested in the effect a blood sport has on ecosystems and species. For example the hunting of a long-lived, slow reproducing species like whales or Rhinos, or apex predators like Lions or Wolves, or keystone species like beavers can have enormous, long-lasting and devastating effects on ecosystems because populations take so long to recover in long lived species, and many other species can be dependent on them.
Whereas in some cases the hunting of herbivores like deer/moose etc can be of benefit to biodiversity, because in many cases their predators are at lower levels than they would naturally be, so herbivores will overpopulate areas and suppress tree growth, which has knock on effects for many many other species.
If the level of hunting is a sustainable harvest, and if the meat is consumed, then from a conservation perspective then the outcome may be positive, because the production of equivalent meat in other systems may be more detrimental to biodiversity.
I don't disagree though that if you are concerned with animal cruelty/suffering, then it's absurd to get upset about wild animals being shot, but not take the same stance about farmed animals.
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Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 17:22 - Aug 2 with 2122 views
I don't think anyone approves of the illegal hunting of big game. I do agree that we should not just ban things because some people don't like it. If we did that everything would be banned!
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Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 11:58 - Aug 3 with 2021 views
Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 17:13 - Aug 2 by gordon
If your primary interest is conservation then you'll be most interested in the effect a blood sport has on ecosystems and species. For example the hunting of a long-lived, slow reproducing species like whales or Rhinos, or apex predators like Lions or Wolves, or keystone species like beavers can have enormous, long-lasting and devastating effects on ecosystems because populations take so long to recover in long lived species, and many other species can be dependent on them.
Whereas in some cases the hunting of herbivores like deer/moose etc can be of benefit to biodiversity, because in many cases their predators are at lower levels than they would naturally be, so herbivores will overpopulate areas and suppress tree growth, which has knock on effects for many many other species.
If the level of hunting is a sustainable harvest, and if the meat is consumed, then from a conservation perspective then the outcome may be positive, because the production of equivalent meat in other systems may be more detrimental to biodiversity.
I don't disagree though that if you are concerned with animal cruelty/suffering, then it's absurd to get upset about wild animals being shot, but not take the same stance about farmed animals.
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I agree with you re your first 3 paras, which are very informative.
However, as I've said before, I think the inflexibility and relentless negativity of your last para are counterproductive, as they alienate people who are actually pretty much on the same side as you.
1. I am concerned about & obviously totally against animal cruelty and suffering, always have been, always will be.
2. The farmed animals I eat have not suffered nor had cruel treatment.
Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 11:58 - Aug 3 by Ryorry
I agree with you re your first 3 paras, which are very informative.
However, as I've said before, I think the inflexibility and relentless negativity of your last para are counterproductive, as they alienate people who are actually pretty much on the same side as you.
1. I am concerned about & obviously totally against animal cruelty and suffering, always have been, always will be.
2. The farmed animals I eat have not suffered nor had cruel treatment.
Judging by what you've said in the past I don't think 'farmed' is a fair description of your meat consumption. It seems your animals have the highest standard of care and 'free range' possible. This is something repeatedly ignored by the vegan crew on here who refuse to believe there is anything other than factory farmed 'torture' to produce meat.
Please sign the petition calling on Stan Kroenke, owner of Arsenal FC, to cance on 12:02 - Aug 3 by J2BLUE
Judging by what you've said in the past I don't think 'farmed' is a fair description of your meat consumption. It seems your animals have the highest standard of care and 'free range' possible. This is something repeatedly ignored by the vegan crew on here who refuse to believe there is anything other than factory farmed 'torture' to produce meat.
Could be there's crossed wires or at least confusion about terms - if it's factory farming that they're referring to, then I totally agree with them. But if they're including (for example) UK lambs and beef cattle that spend their lives running around fields just eating and sleeping, they're way off the mark.
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