| Is it okay to punch Nazis? 10:23 - Aug 14 with 20435 views | monytowbray |
Like actual Nazis, who do Nazi salutes, use the Swatstika and promote/follow the believes of Hitler?
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:48 - Aug 14 with 1891 views | chicoazul |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 11:35 - Aug 14 by monytowbray |
Socialism is capitalism with elements of communism applied. No risk of that happening. |
No you're right. It has never happened anywhere has it. Communist strongmen have never hijacked socialists revolutions or used them for cover. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:52 - Aug 14 with 1886 views | chicoazul |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:37 - Aug 14 by mos |
The first example was that he beat the Nazi's in World War 2.
EDIT: If you want more, he also revolutionized Russia. In a brutal way, but at the start of the journey of Stalin's revolution of Russia/Soviet Union, Russia was 100 years behind the leading nations, such as Britain. But at the end of the revolution, Russia was part of the top 5 leading nations of the world. [Post edited 14 Aug 2017 14:42]
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Ends never justify means, friend. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:54 - Aug 14 with 1886 views | WeWereZombies |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:52 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
Ends never justify means, friend. |
But if we cannot see the purpose in our lives, what our aims and the justification for aspiring to those targets are then how can we assess what means we should use, how can we even identify our current modus operandi, and how do we determine what our interaction and bargaining for resources with others should be? |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:55 - Aug 14 with 1875 views | chicoazul |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:07 - Aug 14 by StokieBlue |
Going to assume this is Isle of Skye deadpan but just in case.....
The Chinese mentality has always been capitalist, go back 3000 years and it was the same. Communism suited them in the 1950's and still works well to maintain a huge population with massive demographic differences. It's not really a communist country anymore though.
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I'm not sure you can call the Chinese capitalist. Greedy controlling beggars of course but capitalist? In fact I don't know if capitalism really exists anywhere in the strictest definition. Like Chomsky said "it could be a good thing if we tried it". As with so many things in terms of governance I think we have probably the best available version in the UK, or had until about 2002-ish when the Blairite Revolution hit its' stride. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:55 - Aug 14 with 1882 views | mos |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:42 - Aug 14 by StokieBlue |
And ~40m down on population.
The ends justify the means?
It also didn't serve them well longer term, they were able to be powerful through military spending and technology whilst having a very poor populace. The Russian's weren't 100 years behind the US and the UK - justify that assertion.
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Obviously millions were lost during Hitlers invasion of the east. And to be fair, Stalin is probably the world's biggest murderer.
But he did overcome the Nazi's, and he did Industrialize Russia.
There's concern to how he did it, which is fair enough, he executed millions.
My original post was to say, he did do a few good things. The negatives obviously overweigh the positives, but that wasn't my point. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:56 - Aug 14 with 1872 views | chicoazul |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:54 - Aug 14 by WeWereZombies |
But if we cannot see the purpose in our lives, what our aims and the justification for aspiring to those targets are then how can we assess what means we should use, how can we even identify our current modus operandi, and how do we determine what our interaction and bargaining for resources with others should be? |
Acting like we have free will. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:56 - Aug 14 with 1879 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:33 - Aug 14 by mos |
Stalin was good and bad though. |
You are Diane Abbott and I claim my fiver. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:57 - Aug 14 with 1875 views | mos |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:52 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
Ends never justify means, friend. |
I suppose, you have your opinion. I have mine.
He beat the Nazis - good
How he did it - bad
That's how I see it. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:59 - Aug 14 with 1867 views | WeWereZombies |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:56 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
Acting like we have free will. |
Which could be illusory, all we do is take in sensory information to the best ability of our flawed senses and react to situations by reference to our flawed memory of past situations that may or may not be similar. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:02 - Aug 14 with 1861 views | mos |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:56 - Aug 14 by GlasgowBlue |
You are Diane Abbott and I claim my fiver. |
Stalin also created 'Soviet Art' a huge and significant positive that he contributed to in his lifespan. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:05 - Aug 14 with 1856 views | No9 |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:30 - Aug 14 by blueislander |
Yep.That would suit your agenda perfectly, even if there is not a scrap of evidence to support your theory. |
Time for you to read up on some history |  | | |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:05 - Aug 14 with 1856 views | baxterbasics |
I cannot fathom how, in the developed world, in the 21st Century, there are still people happy to march under either the Swastika or the hammer and sickle. They may all have genuine grievances but these are ideologies of murder and repression, which have brought untold misery to hundreds of millions who have been unfortunate enough to live under their influence. Both ideologies were soundly defeated last century, yet somehow through ignorance or plain mental deficiency, some insist on keeping these flags alive. They need consigning to the dustbin of history. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:10 - Aug 14 with 1848 views | unbelievablue |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:05 - Aug 14 by baxterbasics |
I cannot fathom how, in the developed world, in the 21st Century, there are still people happy to march under either the Swastika or the hammer and sickle. They may all have genuine grievances but these are ideologies of murder and repression, which have brought untold misery to hundreds of millions who have been unfortunate enough to live under their influence. Both ideologies were soundly defeated last century, yet somehow through ignorance or plain mental deficiency, some insist on keeping these flags alive. They need consigning to the dustbin of history. |
Agree with all of this, though I'm quite certain they don't have genuine grievances. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:20 - Aug 14 with 1832 views | mos |
Also, 3 out of 4 Nazi's were killed by Soviets in the Eastern front.
Though I'm not sure if anyone actually cares.
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:22 - Aug 14 with 1823 views | baxterbasics |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:20 - Aug 14 by mos |
Also, 3 out of 4 Nazi's were killed by Soviets in the Eastern front.
Though I'm not sure if anyone actually cares.
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Well the sacrifices and efforts of the Soviets in WW2 are oft underplayed and forgotten. Partly their own fault for being so dreadful in the decades that followed. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:25 - Aug 14 with 1817 views | jaykay |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:55 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
I'm not sure you can call the Chinese capitalist. Greedy controlling beggars of course but capitalist? In fact I don't know if capitalism really exists anywhere in the strictest definition. Like Chomsky said "it could be a good thing if we tried it". As with so many things in terms of governance I think we have probably the best available version in the UK, or had until about 2002-ish when the Blairite Revolution hit its' stride. |
so when did this best available version start pre 2002ish. i never saw it in the 50s and the 60s when i was growing up.nor my farther in the 20s and 30s and i expect my grandfather saw it, or should i say benefited from it |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:27 - Aug 14 with 1811 views | mos |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:22 - Aug 14 by baxterbasics |
Well the sacrifices and efforts of the Soviets in WW2 are oft underplayed and forgotten. Partly their own fault for being so dreadful in the decades that followed. |
IMO, they won WW2.
Crap after it though due to a small population. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:31 - Aug 14 with 1794 views | StokieBlue |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:20 - Aug 14 by mos |
Also, 3 out of 4 Nazi's were killed by Soviets in the Eastern front.
Though I'm not sure if anyone actually cares.
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"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."
Lovely stuff.
Nobody denies the Russian's did a lot on the Eastern front in WW2 but that wasn't Stalin and doesn't make Stalin good. All he did was grab young men from their villages and towns and chuck them under-prepared and under-equipped onto the Eastern front to die.
I'm still yet to see you post a redeeming or good feature about Stalin himself rather than Russia.
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:32 - Aug 14 with 1791 views | jaykay |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 13:51 - Aug 14 by StokieBlue |
I would argue China is capitalist with a huge slice of dictatorship.
It's not really communist, no real redistribution of wealth there and has the obvious rich leaders which seem to occur in every communist state.
Funny that, it's almost as if people are greedy and like to keep stuff for themselves whilst pretending to be communist.
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so it seems they following our victorian era then no redistribution of wealth just rich factory owners. and people on the right keep on about victorian principles . plus i think china is taking advantage of the 3rd world like our victorian forefathers did. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:33 - Aug 14 with 1782 views | chicoazul |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:25 - Aug 14 by jaykay |
so when did this best available version start pre 2002ish. i never saw it in the 50s and the 60s when i was growing up.nor my farther in the 20s and 30s and i expect my grandfather saw it, or should i say benefited from it |
In the 50s and 60s through and beyond you directly benefited from free education free school meals cheap plentiful housing free NHS practically full employment a reasonable state pension/final salary pension care in your older age low crime (and very low violent crime) and a civilised kind dutiful country. If you bought a house or had investments you have seen an enormous rate of return and now should be living comfortably.
EDIT TO ADD: I genuinely think a lot of older people don't appreciate just how very difficult it is for young people to now do even the very basics of the human condition like settle down and start a family. My generation (X) and people from the generation before me (Boomers) still labour under the delusion that employers pay double time on Sundays, that tips go to the waitress, that if you save up and work hard you can buy a house and get married. [Post edited 14 Aug 2017 15:36]
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:36 - Aug 14 with 1775 views | blue_oyster |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:55 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
I'm not sure you can call the Chinese capitalist. Greedy controlling beggars of course but capitalist? In fact I don't know if capitalism really exists anywhere in the strictest definition. Like Chomsky said "it could be a good thing if we tried it". As with so many things in terms of governance I think we have probably the best available version in the UK, or had until about 2002-ish when the Blairite Revolution hit its' stride. |
Perhaps you'd like to define 'capitalism', and then we can assess? |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:39 - Aug 14 with 1767 views | chicoazul |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:36 - Aug 14 by blue_oyster |
Perhaps you'd like to define 'capitalism', and then we can assess? |
I can tell you what it isn't; 6 companies having 90% of the UK energy market between them. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:40 - Aug 14 with 1763 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:02 - Aug 14 by mos |
Stalin also created 'Soviet Art' a huge and significant positive that he contributed to in his lifespan. |
Well that makes the 60 million murders worthwhile then. You may as well excuse the holocaust because Hitler got the trains to run on time and introduced universal health care ten years before we did. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:43 - Aug 14 with 1757 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:48 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
No you're right. It has never happened anywhere has it. Communist strongmen have never hijacked socialists revolutions or used them for cover. |
I see the Morning Star have said today that Corbyn is "Our Chavez".
Oh joy! | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:46 - Aug 14 with 1753 views | Guessblue |
Ok, so you punch a nazi
Then a week later, the nazi gets two or three of his mates together and puts you in hospital. Then what?
It's not so funny then or clever then.
Nazis are awful, terrible people. But you as an individual citizen don't get to go around deciding who gets beaten up.
Beat Nazis by educating the community about the vile ideas they hold [Post edited 14 Aug 2017 15:48]
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