| Is it okay to punch Nazis? 10:23 - Aug 14 with 20440 views | monytowbray |
Like actual Nazis, who do Nazi salutes, use the Swatstika and promote/follow the believes of Hitler?
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:51 - Aug 14 with 2854 views | itfcjoe |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:33 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
In the 50s and 60s through and beyond you directly benefited from free education free school meals cheap plentiful housing free NHS practically full employment a reasonable state pension/final salary pension care in your older age low crime (and very low violent crime) and a civilised kind dutiful country. If you bought a house or had investments you have seen an enormous rate of return and now should be living comfortably.
EDIT TO ADD: I genuinely think a lot of older people don't appreciate just how very difficult it is for young people to now do even the very basics of the human condition like settle down and start a family. My generation (X) and people from the generation before me (Boomers) still labour under the delusion that employers pay double time on Sundays, that tips go to the waitress, that if you save up and work hard you can buy a house and get married. [Post edited 14 Aug 2017 15:36]
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And to your edit - that if you can't buy a house etc it is because you aren't working hard enough and that there is plentiful opportunities to earn more and buy a house.
Most first time buyers need help from the Bank of Mum and Dad, either by being given cash or free rent for a significant period of time. Saving a deposit whilst in the rental market is next to impossible |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:51 - Aug 14 with 2852 views | Footballpete |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:40 - Aug 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Well that makes the 60 million murders worthwhile then. You may as well excuse the holocaust because Hitler got the trains to run on time and introduced universal health care ten years before we did. |
Bismarck introduced universal healthcare to Germany. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:53 - Aug 14 with 2839 views | unbelievablue |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:51 - Aug 14 by itfcjoe |
And to your edit - that if you can't buy a house etc it is because you aren't working hard enough and that there is plentiful opportunities to earn more and buy a house.
Most first time buyers need help from the Bank of Mum and Dad, either by being given cash or free rent for a significant period of time. Saving a deposit whilst in the rental market is next to impossible |
I am 26, earn a good wage (god knows how) and rent at the lower end of London's market and yet I am years away from being able to buy a property ANYWHERE. It is what it is. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:59 - Aug 14 with 2816 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:51 - Aug 14 by Footballpete |
Bismarck introduced universal healthcare to Germany. |
Didn't Bismarck introduce free healthcare for government workers and the elderly?
I thought Hitler centralised the health system, doing away with private insurance and made healthcare available to all of the population?
Of course he then used it as an instrument to murder tens of thousands of people he considered impure through involuntary euthanasia. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 16:01 - Aug 14 with 2810 views | jaseitfc2015 |
a true liberal would never believe its ok to punch another human being, regardless of their beliefs.
The way to defeat them would be by attempting to educate them and engage with them,
Just in the same way a true liberal would discourage torture for a murderer, and rather would incourage rehabilitation.
but then again if you identify yourself as "left" and "liberal" then I can see that you misunderstand what it is to be a true liberal.
I've actually been arguing for a while now that an issue has been that "liberal" people have been shouting down and almost bullying people with an alternative view and thus had led to people becoming radicalised like we've seen over the weekend.
The liberal way has always been to engage and discuss, not shout at and bully but as I said before if you think you are "left wing" and "liberal" then you have no idea what true liberalism is, actually quite ignorant. |  | | |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 16:04 - Aug 14 with 2801 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 11:05 - Aug 14 by monytowbray |
Yes, fascism is fascism.
What people often confuse with points like the above is the left don't defend terrorism; the left defend condemning a whole race/religion based on a group of fascists within said group. |
been defending terrorism in latin america for years.... | | | |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 16:05 - Aug 14 with 2786 views | blue_oyster |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 16:01 - Aug 14 by jaseitfc2015 |
a true liberal would never believe its ok to punch another human being, regardless of their beliefs.
The way to defeat them would be by attempting to educate them and engage with them,
Just in the same way a true liberal would discourage torture for a murderer, and rather would incourage rehabilitation.
but then again if you identify yourself as "left" and "liberal" then I can see that you misunderstand what it is to be a true liberal.
I've actually been arguing for a while now that an issue has been that "liberal" people have been shouting down and almost bullying people with an alternative view and thus had led to people becoming radicalised like we've seen over the weekend.
The liberal way has always been to engage and discuss, not shout at and bully but as I said before if you think you are "left wing" and "liberal" then you have no idea what true liberalism is, actually quite ignorant. |
Apart from when they start wars in other countries "for the sake of democracy". |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 16:07 - Aug 14 with 2784 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 16:05 - Aug 14 by blue_oyster |
Apart from when they start wars in other countries "for the sake of democracy". |
thats not liberalism - thats leaders misusing liberalism, and thus are not true liberals | | | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 16:12 - Aug 14 with 2763 views | blue_oyster |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 16:07 - Aug 14 by jaseitfc2015 |
thats not liberalism - thats leaders misusing liberalism, and thus are not true liberals |
Ah I see, it doesn't exist. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 17:25 - Aug 14 with 2703 views | Benters |
Yes but not Spurs fans . |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 17:46 - Aug 14 with 2679 views | mos |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:31 - Aug 14 by StokieBlue |
"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."
Lovely stuff.
Nobody denies the Russian's did a lot on the Eastern front in WW2 but that wasn't Stalin and doesn't make Stalin good. All he did was grab young men from their villages and towns and chuck them under-prepared and under-equipped onto the Eastern front to die.
I'm still yet to see you post a redeeming or good feature about Stalin himself rather than Russia.
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Okay, have it your way.
He chose to put these people to war, he chose to industrialize Russia.
My previous posts summed my opinion up. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 17:51 - Aug 14 with 2657 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 12:37 - Aug 14 by crunchie1978 |
That's wait for the leftie respone to this on here lol. |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 17:54 - Aug 14 with 2649 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 13:05 - Aug 14 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Violence is the last resort of the exhausted mind. |
Problem is those Nazis tire really quickly! | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 17:59 - Aug 14 with 2649 views | mos |
Well, I can quite easily say that I am not a Gulag creator.
Although, good video, I like Sara Pascoe, thank you. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 18:28 - Aug 14 with 2606 views | jaykay |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:33 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
In the 50s and 60s through and beyond you directly benefited from free education free school meals cheap plentiful housing free NHS practically full employment a reasonable state pension/final salary pension care in your older age low crime (and very low violent crime) and a civilised kind dutiful country. If you bought a house or had investments you have seen an enormous rate of return and now should be living comfortably.
EDIT TO ADD: I genuinely think a lot of older people don't appreciate just how very difficult it is for young people to now do even the very basics of the human condition like settle down and start a family. My generation (X) and people from the generation before me (Boomers) still labour under the delusion that employers pay double time on Sundays, that tips go to the waitress, that if you save up and work hard you can buy a house and get married. [Post edited 14 Aug 2017 15:36]
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so it wasnt pre 2002 ish as maggie did away with free meals for all. universal pension for all ,n.hs. council housing being built, all part of a left wing government. so a dash of socialism. plus maggie did away councils building house pre 2002 ish
i think you will find the state pension was a lot better after 2002 in real terms. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 18:36 - Aug 14 with 2598 views | chicoazul |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 18:28 - Aug 14 by jaykay |
so it wasnt pre 2002 ish as maggie did away with free meals for all. universal pension for all ,n.hs. council housing being built, all part of a left wing government. so a dash of socialism. plus maggie did away councils building house pre 2002 ish
i think you will find the state pension was a lot better after 2002 in real terms. |
2002 was when pretty much everything started to change at a social level in a big way after Blair's second landslide. But things really started to change when your generation voted that stupid woman in 3 times. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 18:43 - Aug 14 with 2593 views | BergholtBru |
I nearly punched a "socialist worker" salesman a few weeks ago. Would that have been OK? I just wish I had lumped the tw@t!!! |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 19:49 - Aug 14 with 2558 views | jaykay |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 18:36 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
2002 was when pretty much everything started to change at a social level in a big way after Blair's second landslide. But things really started to change when your generation voted that stupid woman in 3 times. |
i think by the way you talk about maggie we can say it pre 1997. oh im cant take the blame for maggie as the only general election i havent voted in was when she came to power,as i was working in saudi. i got on my bike before tebbit thought of it. still you can blame this generation when corbyn gets in | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 20:18 - Aug 14 with 2533 views | Melford |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:02 - Aug 14 by mos |
Stalin also created 'Soviet Art' a huge and significant positive that he contributed to in his lifespan. |
Socialist Realism. There was a really good exhibition in Tate Modern a few years back that I went to see. |  |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 20:32 - Aug 14 with 2517 views | mos |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 20:18 - Aug 14 by Melford |
Socialist Realism. There was a really good exhibition in Tate Modern a few years back that I went to see. |
A different kind of art.
But a good one. | |
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 21:18 - Aug 14 with 2494 views | bring_back_Wickham |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 14:42 - Aug 14 by StokieBlue |
And ~40m down on population.
The ends justify the means?
It also didn't serve them well longer term, they were able to be powerful through military spending and technology whilst having a very poor populace. The Russian's weren't 100 years behind the US and the UK - justify that assertion.
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The industrial revolution in the UK began in 1760. Russia was still a feudalist autocracy as late as 1917. In the 20 years that followed, under Lenin and Stalin, the USSR caught up with the west to become a superpower. There is no condoning how it was achieved, but the '100 year gap' did exist and was overcome in this short period of time. [Post edited 14 Aug 2017 21:26]
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 21:33 - Aug 14 with 2472 views | StokieBlue |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 21:18 - Aug 14 by bring_back_Wickham |
The industrial revolution in the UK began in 1760. Russia was still a feudalist autocracy as late as 1917. In the 20 years that followed, under Lenin and Stalin, the USSR caught up with the west to become a superpower. There is no condoning how it was achieved, but the '100 year gap' did exist and was overcome in this short period of time. [Post edited 14 Aug 2017 21:26]
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Stalin himself said they were 50-100 years behind.
Why take the upper part of the range? It's also quite likely there was a fair amount of propaganda in that statement to get the people onside with the reforms.
For instance the Russians had submarines in 1915 and used them in a joint attack with the British in 1915. Hardly 100 years behind the western powers. In fact they smashed up their own navy in the revolution.
I will admit it's not my strongest subject though so happy to be corrected on any of the above.
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| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 21:47 - Aug 14 with 2459 views | Superfrans |
| Is it okay to punch Nazis? on 15:33 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
In the 50s and 60s through and beyond you directly benefited from free education free school meals cheap plentiful housing free NHS practically full employment a reasonable state pension/final salary pension care in your older age low crime (and very low violent crime) and a civilised kind dutiful country. If you bought a house or had investments you have seen an enormous rate of return and now should be living comfortably.
EDIT TO ADD: I genuinely think a lot of older people don't appreciate just how very difficult it is for young people to now do even the very basics of the human condition like settle down and start a family. My generation (X) and people from the generation before me (Boomers) still labour under the delusion that employers pay double time on Sundays, that tips go to the waitress, that if you save up and work hard you can buy a house and get married. [Post edited 14 Aug 2017 15:36]
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Totally agree, sir.
The younger generation (under 30s) have been utterly screwed by the post-war generation, the latest cheery on the cake being the vote to pull out of Europe and further screw up the country. Nice one, old people. |  |
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