| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:53 - Nov 21 with 5419 views | GlasgowBlue |
Who said that? Of course you would expect EU institutions to move out of a non EU country. |  |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:55 - Nov 21 with 5407 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:53 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Who said that? Of course you would expect EU institutions to move out of a non EU country. |
I think he means somebody, somewhere, in a pub one night, probably might have said it. |  | | |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:57 - Nov 21 with 5401 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:53 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Who said that? Of course you would expect EU institutions to move out of a non EU country. |
David Davis said it would not necessarily happen, and would be a part of our negotiations over Brexit. He was wrong on both counts, as on so many things. |  | | |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:58 - Nov 21 with 5397 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:57 - Nov 21 by Freddies_Ears |
David Davis said it would not necessarily happen, and would be a part of our negotiations over Brexit. He was wrong on both counts, as on so many things. |
"would not necessarily happen" not exactly a cast iron guarantee. |  |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:01 - Nov 21 with 5388 views | giant_stow |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:58 - Nov 21 by Marshalls_Mullet |
"would not necessarily happen" not exactly a cast iron guarantee. |
No absolutely not, just another example of their bs. |  |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:06 - Nov 21 with 5359 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:01 - Nov 21 by giant_stow |
No absolutely not, just another example of their bs. |
Yup, and lots of idiots fell for it. | |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:07 - Nov 21 with 5357 views | Steve_M |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:53 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Who said that? Of course you would expect EU institutions to move out of a non EU country. |
Someone should have told David Davis that then:
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:13 - Nov 21 with 5340 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:07 - Nov 21 by Steve_M |
Someone should have told David Davis that then:
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According to that headline, David Davis said nothing that was untrue there...
"will not have to".....
.....doesnt mean they would not.
Just a lesson for people to listen and read more carefully. | |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:15 - Nov 21 with 5342 views | No9 |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:10 - Nov 21 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its possible to take that quote out of context.
That quote doesn't say that the UK will no longer be recognised as a financial and pharma industry superpower, it simply states that it will be outwith the EU. |
The UK will be out of the EU so will not be a part of what these agencies do - simple?How do you suppose UK organisationc will be able to access whst these agencies do?
The loss will not just be the circa 1000 jobs but the hotels, restaurants, taxis etc. that benefitted from the tens of thousands of people who came to London to take part in what these agencies do. | | | |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:18 - Nov 21 with 5333 views | eireblue |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:58 - Nov 21 by Marshalls_Mullet |
"would not necessarily happen" not exactly a cast iron guarantee. |
We have an ex-Tory politician basically stating, of course, EU institutions will move out, it is obvious.
And, a current Tory minister sort of in charge of Brexit negotiations, was not really sure and thought there was a chance they would stay.
I think that is the real issue.
It is ok, everything will be fine, DD will bumble through and get a great deal, and if not it will still all be fine. DD has said so. |  | | |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:22 - Nov 21 with 5328 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:10 - Nov 21 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its possible to take that quote out of context.
That quote doesn't say that the UK will no longer be recognised as a financial and pharma industry superpower, it simply states that it will be outwith the EU. |
Yup, and UK science, and all of us, will be diminished for that. | | | |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:26 - Nov 21 with 5323 views | giant_stow |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:13 - Nov 21 by Marshalls_Mullet |
According to that headline, David Davis said nothing that was untrue there...
"will not have to".....
.....doesnt mean they would not.
Just a lesson for people to listen and read more carefully. |
Again you're absolutely right about people needing to listen and read more carefully. We'll just chalk it up to experience, no worries. | |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:28 - Nov 21 with 5314 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:13 - Nov 21 by Marshalls_Mullet |
According to that headline, David Davis said nothing that was untrue there...
"will not have to".....
.....doesnt mean they would not.
Just a lesson for people to listen and read more carefully. |
It's a disingenuous, specious statement - a half truth, but deliberately misleading to appeal to leavers. I remember at the time people latching on to it for 'evidence' that the brexiters were doom mongering. GB is right though - you'd expect EU bodies to leave. Anyone who fell for The Brexit Bullgog's bullsh*t is naive. |  |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:36 - Nov 21 with 5295 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:15 - Nov 21 by No9 |
The UK will be out of the EU so will not be a part of what these agencies do - simple?How do you suppose UK organisationc will be able to access whst these agencies do?
The loss will not just be the circa 1000 jobs but the hotels, restaurants, taxis etc. that benefitted from the tens of thousands of people who came to London to take part in what these agencies do. |
I'm not defending Brexit, but what I am saying is it is too early to judge its effects.
I suspect a softer brexit will eventually be agreed, and the UK will settle to a natural 'post brexit' equilibrium.
Of course I dont have the answers, but Im not going to get stressed about something I cant influence. | |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:38 - Nov 21 with 5291 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:26 - Nov 21 by giant_stow |
Again you're absolutely right about people needing to listen and read more carefully. We'll just chalk it up to experience, no worries. |
Don't just chalk it up to experience. Learn from it. | |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:38 - Nov 21 with 5288 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:28 - Nov 21 by Swansea_Blue |
It's a disingenuous, specious statement - a half truth, but deliberately misleading to appeal to leavers. I remember at the time people latching on to it for 'evidence' that the brexiters were doom mongering. GB is right though - you'd expect EU bodies to leave. Anyone who fell for The Brexit Bullgog's bullsh*t is naive. |
Indeed. | |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:41 - Nov 21 with 5287 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 14:57 - Nov 21 by Freddies_Ears |
David Davis said it would not necessarily happen, and would be a part of our negotiations over Brexit. He was wrong on both counts, as on so many things. |
Where did he say this? | |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:46 - Nov 21 with 5277 views | unbelievablue |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:41 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Where did he say this? |
I don't think he did, explicitly.
From the FT in April:
David Davis, Brexit secretary, does not accept that the two agencies and roughly 1,000 staff will have to move from London’s Canary Wharf, even though the EU is about to run a competition to relocate them.
A UK Brexit department spokesman said: “No decisions have been taken about the location of the European Banking Authority or the European Medicines Agency – these will be subject to the exit negotiations.”
The government has left open the possibility of keeping part of some EU agencies, at least in the short term, but the idea of the UK hosting key institutions after Brexit is unacceptable in Brussels.
“The government will discuss with the EU and member states how best to continue co-operation in the fields of banking and medicines regulation in the best interests of both the UK and the EU,” the spokesman said.
Mr Davis may simply be putting the agencies into the wider Brexit negotiation in the expectation that they can be traded for a concession elsewhere; EU officials say there is no question they must move. |  |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:50 - Nov 21 with 5268 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:46 - Nov 21 by unbelievablue |
I don't think he did, explicitly.
From the FT in April:
David Davis, Brexit secretary, does not accept that the two agencies and roughly 1,000 staff will have to move from London’s Canary Wharf, even though the EU is about to run a competition to relocate them.
A UK Brexit department spokesman said: “No decisions have been taken about the location of the European Banking Authority or the European Medicines Agency – these will be subject to the exit negotiations.”
The government has left open the possibility of keeping part of some EU agencies, at least in the short term, but the idea of the UK hosting key institutions after Brexit is unacceptable in Brussels.
“The government will discuss with the EU and member states how best to continue co-operation in the fields of banking and medicines regulation in the best interests of both the UK and the EU,” the spokesman said.
Mr Davis may simply be putting the agencies into the wider Brexit negotiation in the expectation that they can be traded for a concession elsewhere; EU officials say there is no question they must move. |
Thanks. To me it seems inconceivable that these EU institutions would stay based in a non EU country. | |
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| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:56 - Nov 21 with 5257 views | No9 |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:46 - Nov 21 by unbelievablue |
I don't think he did, explicitly.
From the FT in April:
David Davis, Brexit secretary, does not accept that the two agencies and roughly 1,000 staff will have to move from London’s Canary Wharf, even though the EU is about to run a competition to relocate them.
A UK Brexit department spokesman said: “No decisions have been taken about the location of the European Banking Authority or the European Medicines Agency – these will be subject to the exit negotiations.”
The government has left open the possibility of keeping part of some EU agencies, at least in the short term, but the idea of the UK hosting key institutions after Brexit is unacceptable in Brussels.
“The government will discuss with the EU and member states how best to continue co-operation in the fields of banking and medicines regulation in the best interests of both the UK and the EU,” the spokesman said.
Mr Davis may simply be putting the agencies into the wider Brexit negotiation in the expectation that they can be traded for a concession elsewhere; EU officials say there is no question they must move. |
In short the UK is leaving the EU and all that entails.
Which some Brexiteers still won't accept, | | | |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:57 - Nov 21 with 5253 views | Archer4721 |
Even the poor animals are on the receiving end of the Tories....
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-government-vote-animal-sentience-cant
The Tory Government has outdone itself when it comes to neglecting animal rights this week — by voting that all animals (apart from humans, of course) have no emotions or feelings, including the ability to feel pain.
Remember all that campaigning against the badger cull and May’s attempt to bring back fox-hunting? It was probably all a waste. As the Government begins to shape the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, it has taken a vote to scrap EU legislation that sees non-human animals as sentient beings. Once we leave the EU in 2019, it’s not only badgers and foxes that will be threatened by this change in law, but all animals that aren’t pets. So basically all animals that it will be profitable to exploit.
This vote comes in contrast to extensive scientific evidence that shows that other animals do have feelings and emotions, some even stronger than ours.
But politicians clearly think that they know better about animal brains than the majority of scientists on the planet. This complete lack of logic leads me to believe that many of our MPs probably have less intelligence than a jellyfish. But unfortunately I don’t have any stake in Parliament to vote through my personal opinions, unlike those MPs.
Realistically though, who would be surprised by this new vote? Despite Michael Gove’s calls to improve animal welfare standards post-Brexit, we all know the Government, and in fact most of the UK public, doesn’t really care about animals unless they’re cute and fluffy.
This is how we have ended up in a society where a cat being thrown in a bin sparks national outrage, but the majority of the population will complain about this while eating a burger from the local fast food chain which has probably come from a chicken that suffered abuse its whole life.
“Animal welfare” in the Government’s (and indeed the public’s) eyes is riddled with double standards. At the moment, 80 per cent of the UK’s animal welfare legislation comes from the EU — if we’re voting out the fact that animals are sentient, why would we even bother with the rest of it? If the Government doesn’t believe that animals can even feel pain, surely none of their rights will be protected at all.
When we leave the EU, pets will be protected by the Animal Welfare Act 2006. But where does this leave wild animals, those in labs, and those in other forms of captivity? Just a small example of this is cosmetics testing. Under EU law it is illegal to test on animals for cosmetics like body wash and nail varnish. But this could easily be scrapped just like the recognition of animals as sentient beings has been.
We are looking at a very grim future for animals, where hunting is reintroduced, labs are free to test on animals with as much cruelty as they wish (and no pain relief) and farms are less and less regulated.
But what worries me most about this development is that it shows just how much potential havoc Brexit could cause. Voting the recognition of animal sentience out of UK legislation is a pretty big deal, but it’s barely been reported on in mainstream news outlets. As each EU law is put to the vote, I wonder how many more will be scrapped without being brought to the public’s attention. Why are we not being consulted about what laws are being changed? Why are we barely even being told?
In the next two years, the Government will make a multitude of changes in the hope that when 2019 comes, our laws will have altered so much that no amount of campaigning at that time will be able to overturn the decisions made. Campaigners will be forced to pick the one or two “most important” rights to get back, and everything else will go through unchallenged.
It will be too difficult to change every single law when it is implemented in 2019. It is not too difficult now, however, to tackle each dodgy vote as it makes its way through Parliament.
In the coming weeks and months, MPs will be voting on our future. They will be voting on the future of other animals, but they will also be voting on the future of the environment and human beings. So let’s challenge this sham vote on animal feelings, and let’s challenge the rest of the nonsense the Tory Government tries to throw at us too. |  | | |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:58 - Nov 21 with 5253 views | factual_blue |
| Brexit depatures, EU FInance and Health agencies leave London on 15:15 - Nov 21 by No9 |
The UK will be out of the EU so will not be a part of what these agencies do - simple?How do you suppose UK organisationc will be able to access whst these agencies do?
The loss will not just be the circa 1000 jobs but the hotels, restaurants, taxis etc. that benefitted from the tens of thousands of people who came to London to take part in what these agencies do. |
This is what taking back control is all about. |  |
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