| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! 22:09 - Feb 18 with 14920 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/crash-landing-for-labour-candidat
"But local businessman Mike Lane, 57, was unconvinced: "She hasn't got a clue about any of the policies — and she didn't know who Bill Shankly was. Whatever happened to the working class people? They are parachuting these middle class people in."
 "She has been the target of intense journalistic curiosity, sparked by interest surrounding her connections to the Blairs and her widely reported gaffes. She was pictured getting out of a car with a personalised number plate — something unlikely to go down well with her would-be constituents "
......wonder who has been pulling her strings ! [Post edited 18 Feb 2019 22:10]
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:49 - Feb 19 with 3485 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:27 - Feb 19 by Cotty |
He's a good old boy, and is making a real difference. |
Absolutely he is. |  |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:49 - Feb 19 with 3485 views | Guthrum |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:15 - Feb 19 by Beckets |
Agreed. It’s as if the football has become largely incidental now. |
People should post more football stuff, then.
Altho a lot of that descends into bickering, too. |  |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:52 - Feb 19 with 3478 views | artsbossbeard |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:49 - Feb 19 by Guthrum |
People should post more football stuff, then.
Altho a lot of that descends into bickering, too. |
But kinda relevant to a football forum, no? |  |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:53 - Feb 19 with 3468 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:49 - Feb 19 by Guthrum |
People should post more football stuff, then.
Altho a lot of that descends into bickering, too. |
Who was worse? Keane, Jewell or Hurst? | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:57 - Feb 19 with 3436 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:31 - Feb 19 by PhilTWTD |
It's a relatively recent development on here as I remember things, certainly the party political scarf waving. We didn't have much of that sort of thing at all going back a few years. |
You're right. It used to be mainly bipartisan, mud-slinging and "apology accusing" towards one or two of us - courtesy mainly of those forum members working at the CFO and Friends of Israel groups.
TWTD!
Since Brexit however, it's become mainly a remainer/Brexiteer and Labour/Tory anti Corbyn affair.
The forum was much better when people could just ignore any thread where I was involved/mentioned.
Who'd have thought so many propaganda groups would invest so much on TWTD?
I guess it pays to do so. [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 11:47]
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:57 - Feb 19 with 3434 views | Guthrum |
Perhaps we actually need separate parties for working class socialists, middle class socialists, small government libertarians, Blairites, the rural farming set, etc., etc. They could then combine in ad-hoc coalitions to form governments, unshackled by the need to then maintain those same (no longer relevant) loyalties for decades ahead, or put up with leaders they blatantly disagree with.
Administrations will be slightly less stable, but a whole lot more flexible to deal with the changing needs of the UK's society and economy. | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:09 - Feb 19 with 3405 views | Guthrum |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:52 - Feb 19 by artsbossbeard |
But kinda relevant to a football forum, no? |
But still vastly long threads of personal insults and mud-slinging. | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:15 - Feb 19 with 3396 views | ZedRodgers |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 09:41 - Feb 19 by Championship |
Do you think Labour can build on that and win power at the next general election? |
Yes. It's essential.
I know you all take pleasure in making out that I see Corbyn as an untouchable god-like figure, but for me it's quite simply that I consider him and the current Labour party to be the best hope of reversing austerity.
I am fully aware of the man's shortcomings and find it patronising when people that are desperate to see the end of austerity are dismissed as being in some kind of cult. I'm sure for a lot of people, support for Corbyn is party fuelled by a hatred for the austerity that is quite literally killing people, if not trapping them into a life of misery. This isn't suggesting that I would for Labour to keep the Tories out (although I'm sure some do), it's confirming that Labour's current set of policies offer people the best opportunity to improve their lives.
I appreciate that some people will not have people close to them that have been left in a perilous situation because of this government with no sign of a way out. Some of you will even laugh it off as an exaggeration or make out that I've fallen for the magic grandpa. I hope you never find yourself or anyone you're close to in such a desperate situation.
Each day that passes, there are more people that feel helpless and angry, but not defeated - The silent majority that don't participate in online polls and are likely to not have engaged politically until there was a sign of hope that a party would be bold and set out a programme that dares to appeal to 'normal' people.
Corbyn is not the messiah, but Labour's policies will help the most people avoid the life of misery they are currently faced with.
What are Chuka and Co. offering? Less democracy for members of whatever it is they are up to, more privatisation, less hope and telling people they were wrong in the EU referendum. Not for me thanks.
The 'momentum plant' snorting and chortling seems more of a cult-like position to take in my opinion. |  |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:33 - Feb 19 with 3370 views | Championship |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:15 - Feb 19 by ZedRodgers |
Yes. It's essential.
I know you all take pleasure in making out that I see Corbyn as an untouchable god-like figure, but for me it's quite simply that I consider him and the current Labour party to be the best hope of reversing austerity.
I am fully aware of the man's shortcomings and find it patronising when people that are desperate to see the end of austerity are dismissed as being in some kind of cult. I'm sure for a lot of people, support for Corbyn is party fuelled by a hatred for the austerity that is quite literally killing people, if not trapping them into a life of misery. This isn't suggesting that I would for Labour to keep the Tories out (although I'm sure some do), it's confirming that Labour's current set of policies offer people the best opportunity to improve their lives.
I appreciate that some people will not have people close to them that have been left in a perilous situation because of this government with no sign of a way out. Some of you will even laugh it off as an exaggeration or make out that I've fallen for the magic grandpa. I hope you never find yourself or anyone you're close to in such a desperate situation.
Each day that passes, there are more people that feel helpless and angry, but not defeated - The silent majority that don't participate in online polls and are likely to not have engaged politically until there was a sign of hope that a party would be bold and set out a programme that dares to appeal to 'normal' people.
Corbyn is not the messiah, but Labour's policies will help the most people avoid the life of misery they are currently faced with.
What are Chuka and Co. offering? Less democracy for members of whatever it is they are up to, more privatisation, less hope and telling people they were wrong in the EU referendum. Not for me thanks.
The 'momentum plant' snorting and chortling seems more of a cult-like position to take in my opinion. |
Good reply, thank you.
I completely believe your point about people in a perilous situation. I haven't had anyone close to me in that situation but I know that many people are and the food banks stats show it's becoming more and more of a problem.
I would never vote for Chuka. I see him as a weak opportunist who has done nothing but stand on the sidelines and moan about Brexit rather than trying to influence the leadership from within the shadow cabinet. |  | | |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:43 - Feb 19 with 3342 views | lowhouseblue |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:15 - Feb 19 by ZedRodgers |
Yes. It's essential.
I know you all take pleasure in making out that I see Corbyn as an untouchable god-like figure, but for me it's quite simply that I consider him and the current Labour party to be the best hope of reversing austerity.
I am fully aware of the man's shortcomings and find it patronising when people that are desperate to see the end of austerity are dismissed as being in some kind of cult. I'm sure for a lot of people, support for Corbyn is party fuelled by a hatred for the austerity that is quite literally killing people, if not trapping them into a life of misery. This isn't suggesting that I would for Labour to keep the Tories out (although I'm sure some do), it's confirming that Labour's current set of policies offer people the best opportunity to improve their lives.
I appreciate that some people will not have people close to them that have been left in a perilous situation because of this government with no sign of a way out. Some of you will even laugh it off as an exaggeration or make out that I've fallen for the magic grandpa. I hope you never find yourself or anyone you're close to in such a desperate situation.
Each day that passes, there are more people that feel helpless and angry, but not defeated - The silent majority that don't participate in online polls and are likely to not have engaged politically until there was a sign of hope that a party would be bold and set out a programme that dares to appeal to 'normal' people.
Corbyn is not the messiah, but Labour's policies will help the most people avoid the life of misery they are currently faced with.
What are Chuka and Co. offering? Less democracy for members of whatever it is they are up to, more privatisation, less hope and telling people they were wrong in the EU referendum. Not for me thanks.
The 'momentum plant' snorting and chortling seems more of a cult-like position to take in my opinion. |
that's all lovely - but without an election win its all self-indulgent posturing. a party with derek hatton in and luciana berger out will achieve nothing and change nothing. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:56 - Feb 19 with 3305 views | ZedRodgers |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:43 - Feb 19 by lowhouseblue |
that's all lovely - but without an election win its all self-indulgent posturing. a party with derek hatton in and luciana berger out will achieve nothing and change nothing. |
What is self-indulgent posturing?
Derek Hatton is not a replacement for Luciana Berger, so whatever point you are trying to make here, maybe use something that's real as a way to explain it. | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:01 - Feb 19 with 3284 views | m14_blue |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:15 - Feb 19 by ZedRodgers |
Yes. It's essential.
I know you all take pleasure in making out that I see Corbyn as an untouchable god-like figure, but for me it's quite simply that I consider him and the current Labour party to be the best hope of reversing austerity.
I am fully aware of the man's shortcomings and find it patronising when people that are desperate to see the end of austerity are dismissed as being in some kind of cult. I'm sure for a lot of people, support for Corbyn is party fuelled by a hatred for the austerity that is quite literally killing people, if not trapping them into a life of misery. This isn't suggesting that I would for Labour to keep the Tories out (although I'm sure some do), it's confirming that Labour's current set of policies offer people the best opportunity to improve their lives.
I appreciate that some people will not have people close to them that have been left in a perilous situation because of this government with no sign of a way out. Some of you will even laugh it off as an exaggeration or make out that I've fallen for the magic grandpa. I hope you never find yourself or anyone you're close to in such a desperate situation.
Each day that passes, there are more people that feel helpless and angry, but not defeated - The silent majority that don't participate in online polls and are likely to not have engaged politically until there was a sign of hope that a party would be bold and set out a programme that dares to appeal to 'normal' people.
Corbyn is not the messiah, but Labour's policies will help the most people avoid the life of misery they are currently faced with.
What are Chuka and Co. offering? Less democracy for members of whatever it is they are up to, more privatisation, less hope and telling people they were wrong in the EU referendum. Not for me thanks.
The 'momentum plant' snorting and chortling seems more of a cult-like position to take in my opinion. |
Not a lot to disagree with there, except for one key point.
A Corbyn led Labour, which consistently and gleefully alienates vast swathes of the centre ground, is actually making another Tory government more likely and therefore will achieve the exact opposite of your very admirable goals.
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:06 - Feb 19 with 3267 views | lowhouseblue |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:56 - Feb 19 by ZedRodgers |
What is self-indulgent posturing?
Derek Hatton is not a replacement for Luciana Berger, so whatever point you are trying to make here, maybe use something that's real as a way to explain it. |
did I say he was a direct replacement? no, of course not. you understood but don't have an answer. fine. when the tories are re-elected in 2022 i hope you'll be ashamed (you won't of course). | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:19 - Feb 19 with 3239 views | ZedRodgers |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:01 - Feb 19 by m14_blue |
Not a lot to disagree with there, except for one key point.
A Corbyn led Labour, which consistently and gleefully alienates vast swathes of the centre ground, is actually making another Tory government more likely and therefore will achieve the exact opposite of your very admirable goals.
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I can see why you would think that and respect your opinion, but my view is that the more 'radical' policies which are essential in reversing austerity are usually framed in a way which makes them seem like impossible magic money tree pipe dreams.
What exactly do you think there should there be less of (or more of) to avoid alienating the centre ground? I don't believe in voting for somebody just so somebody else doesn't get in. As I mentioned, I think the number of people that desperately need the current Labour party's policies in place is growing, not shrinking.
The centre ground may not need Labour's policies and may even be put off by them, but I can't see any actual reasons for anybody to vote the other way that wouldn't already do so anyway. There is obviously a lot of room for misconceived decisions based on the Glassers 'gotcha' type of distortion of facts. | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:24 - Feb 19 with 3219 views | ZedRodgers |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:06 - Feb 19 by lowhouseblue |
did I say he was a direct replacement? no, of course not. you understood but don't have an answer. fine. when the tories are re-elected in 2022 i hope you'll be ashamed (you won't of course). |
An answer to what? You're not making any sense.
If all you have to add is that you're looking forward to taking pleasure in other people's misery, then by all means carry on. But if you do ever wonder why people don't take your opinions seriously, here lies your answer. | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:25 - Feb 19 with 3213 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:19 - Feb 19 by ZedRodgers |
I can see why you would think that and respect your opinion, but my view is that the more 'radical' policies which are essential in reversing austerity are usually framed in a way which makes them seem like impossible magic money tree pipe dreams.
What exactly do you think there should there be less of (or more of) to avoid alienating the centre ground? I don't believe in voting for somebody just so somebody else doesn't get in. As I mentioned, I think the number of people that desperately need the current Labour party's policies in place is growing, not shrinking.
The centre ground may not need Labour's policies and may even be put off by them, but I can't see any actual reasons for anybody to vote the other way that wouldn't already do so anyway. There is obviously a lot of room for misconceived decisions based on the Glassers 'gotcha' type of distortion of facts. |
Thanks for the name check. What 'facts' have I distorted? | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:30 - Feb 19 with 3206 views | Guthrum |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 11:15 - Feb 19 by ZedRodgers |
Yes. It's essential.
I know you all take pleasure in making out that I see Corbyn as an untouchable god-like figure, but for me it's quite simply that I consider him and the current Labour party to be the best hope of reversing austerity.
I am fully aware of the man's shortcomings and find it patronising when people that are desperate to see the end of austerity are dismissed as being in some kind of cult. I'm sure for a lot of people, support for Corbyn is party fuelled by a hatred for the austerity that is quite literally killing people, if not trapping them into a life of misery. This isn't suggesting that I would for Labour to keep the Tories out (although I'm sure some do), it's confirming that Labour's current set of policies offer people the best opportunity to improve their lives.
I appreciate that some people will not have people close to them that have been left in a perilous situation because of this government with no sign of a way out. Some of you will even laugh it off as an exaggeration or make out that I've fallen for the magic grandpa. I hope you never find yourself or anyone you're close to in such a desperate situation.
Each day that passes, there are more people that feel helpless and angry, but not defeated - The silent majority that don't participate in online polls and are likely to not have engaged politically until there was a sign of hope that a party would be bold and set out a programme that dares to appeal to 'normal' people.
Corbyn is not the messiah, but Labour's policies will help the most people avoid the life of misery they are currently faced with.
What are Chuka and Co. offering? Less democracy for members of whatever it is they are up to, more privatisation, less hope and telling people they were wrong in the EU referendum. Not for me thanks.
The 'momentum plant' snorting and chortling seems more of a cult-like position to take in my opinion. |
The problem with austerity is a psychological one. For too many years (decades, even) the media has concentrated on the idea that the unfortunate (those without jobs, the long-term sick, refugees) are "workshy", "scroungers", "malingerers" who do not dererve sympathy, let alone help. Every case of someone manipulating the system is magnified and generalised. Even Labour shadow ministers go on about the UK's supposed 'low productivity', as a byword for "laziness".
Everyone feels that money is tight. Even if that is not really the case in a bare survival sense, the atmosphere is created by consumerist pressure and the urge towards individualist self-improvement. So there is a general unwillingness to pay for welfare, especially with the aforementioned dehumanising of those who need help. Politicians on all sides have responded to that with an overall "hostile environment".
Until and unless those attitudes change, punishing the poor to save money will continue to be seen as a virtue.
The problem Corbyn faces is partly a mathematical one. Having lost the Scottish seats in 2015, even a good performance against hapless opposition in 2017 was not enough to get close. He is insufficiently dynamic to carry the country with him on the change of mentality outlined above. He is not deft enough to counter those critics who wish to continue the libertarian-individualist agenda. He lacks the toughness and diplomacy to suppress tribal fanaticism and carry others with him (e.g. allowing a split in his own organisation rather than obtaining the support of moderates from other parties). [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 12:32]
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:40 - Feb 19 with 3189 views | lowhouseblue |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:24 - Feb 19 by ZedRodgers |
An answer to what? You're not making any sense.
If all you have to add is that you're looking forward to taking pleasure in other people's misery, then by all means carry on. But if you do ever wonder why people don't take your opinions seriously, here lies your answer. |
i'll try and make it even simpler. the posturing of people like you has turned the party into a place where people like hatton feel welcome and people like berger are bullied and driven out. it is a party which will never win anything or change anything. and we'll have to go through more election defeats before people like you crawl back to the green party or spoiling their ballot papers or what ever it was you did before. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:46 - Feb 19 with 3175 views | PhilTWTD |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:49 - Feb 19 by GlasgowBlue |
That’s when political parties weren’t cults. |
Not sure you can blame Corbyn in this case, least I'm thinking about the last decade or so rather than more recently. |  | | |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:47 - Feb 19 with 3168 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:40 - Feb 19 by lowhouseblue |
i'll try and make it even simpler. the posturing of people like you has turned the party into a place where people like hatton feel welcome and people like berger are bullied and driven out. it is a party which will never win anything or change anything. and we'll have to go through more election defeats before people like you crawl back to the green party or spoiling their ballot papers or what ever it was you did before. |
Somebody nicked my joke from last night.
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:54 - Feb 19 with 3151 views | ZedRodgers |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:25 - Feb 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Thanks for the name check. What 'facts' have I distorted? |
Start at this morning’s attempt to say Corbyn supporters were advocating fabrication of homophobia claims against Tories and work your way backwards. | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:56 - Feb 19 with 3135 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:54 - Feb 19 by ZedRodgers |
Start at this morning’s attempt to say Corbyn supporters were advocating fabrication of homophobia claims against Tories and work your way backwards. |
Bastani says exactly that. Next. | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:56 - Feb 19 with 3133 views | ZedRodgers |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:40 - Feb 19 by lowhouseblue |
i'll try and make it even simpler. the posturing of people like you has turned the party into a place where people like hatton feel welcome and people like berger are bullied and driven out. it is a party which will never win anything or change anything. and we'll have to go through more election defeats before people like you crawl back to the green party or spoiling their ballot papers or what ever it was you did before. |
Oh right. And that’s based on me saying people have had enough of auestrity leaving people close to them in a perilous position? | |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:59 - Feb 19 with 3123 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 10:04 - Feb 19 by factual_blue |
What's her view on the Gold Standard? |
She doesn,t know about the Gold Standard, but plenty about little kittens, they are so soft & fluffy. |  |
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:59 - Feb 19 with 3121 views | ballycastle |
| Just googled 'Luciana Berger political achievements' and came up with this.....! on 12:54 - Feb 19 by ZedRodgers |
Start at this morning’s attempt to say Corbyn supporters were advocating fabrication of homophobia claims against Tories and work your way backwards. |
I see McDonnell is completing all the facing up today, even he is being played by JC.
Dangerous hero called this one. | | | |
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