| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon 21:33 - Jul 8 with 4949 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:36 - Jul 8 with 2928 views | footers |
Weird having a party with many members and stakeholders who get a say in policy, innit.
Almost as bad as a party that's diametrically opposed to itself ;) |  |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:37 - Jul 8 with 2920 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:36 - Jul 8 by footers |
Weird having a party with many members and stakeholders who get a say in policy, innit.
Almost as bad as a party that's diametrically opposed to itself ;) |
I love the fact they could negotiate a deal and then campaign against it. F*cking bonkers | | | |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:39 - Jul 8 with 2912 views | footers |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:37 - Jul 8 by ElderGrizzly |
I love the fact they could negotiate a deal and then campaign against it. F*cking bonkers |
Crazy.
Almost the same thing that has been happening in most British parties on Brexit. Weird. | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:40 - Jul 8 with 2898 views | BloomBlue |
Bunch of fooking idiots. |  | | |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:49 - Jul 8 with 2863 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:37 - Jul 8 by ElderGrizzly |
I love the fact they could negotiate a deal and then campaign against it. F*cking bonkers |
Where does it say that? |  |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:55 - Jul 8 with 2817 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:49 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
Where does it say that? |
At the end of Scenario 2. Click on the Twitter link in the OP as the photo has cut off the last 2 lines
I’ve added a link to the full TULO position below
https://ibb.co/r4q7Z7D
[Post edited 8 Jul 2019 21:59]
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:00 - Jul 8 with 2795 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:55 - Jul 8 by ElderGrizzly |
At the end of Scenario 2. Click on the Twitter link in the OP as the photo has cut off the last 2 lines
I’ve added a link to the full TULO position below
https://ibb.co/r4q7Z7D
[Post edited 8 Jul 2019 21:59]
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I know what it says in the scenarios. Clearly if the only deal they can arrive at with the EU isn't satisfactory, they will make that deal to avoid no deal but then campaign to remain.
I'm referring to your "totally bonkers" insinuation that they'd argue against themselves. | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:12 - Jul 8 with 2736 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:00 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
I know what it says in the scenarios. Clearly if the only deal they can arrive at with the EU isn't satisfactory, they will make that deal to avoid no deal but then campaign to remain.
I'm referring to your "totally bonkers" insinuation that they'd argue against themselves. |
I think it is totally bonkers that any party puffs its chest out and says it will negotiate a better deal and almost in the same breath says it will campaign against it.
It appears to be another slight of hand to be honest against wanting to admit to being a remain lead party. | | | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:13 - Jul 8 with 2734 views | J2BLUE |
So basically:
Labour: Give us a good deal or we'll campaign to stay in
EU: Erm...nah you're alright *sniggers* |  |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:20 - Jul 8 with 2717 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:12 - Jul 8 by ElderGrizzly |
I think it is totally bonkers that any party puffs its chest out and says it will negotiate a better deal and almost in the same breath says it will campaign against it.
It appears to be another slight of hand to be honest against wanting to admit to being a remain lead party. |
Oh FFS. It doesn't say that.
Personally, I'd love Labour to come out as a Remain party (this does it if you actually read between the lines) but I also know that, unlike the LibDems, SNP and the Green Party they have a bigger problem of MPs and voters who can't accept that position without at least promising to try and leave.
Of course, the EU would just refuse to negotiate further and we can hopefully all move on with our lives. | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:22 - Jul 8 with 2707 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:20 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
Oh FFS. It doesn't say that.
Personally, I'd love Labour to come out as a Remain party (this does it if you actually read between the lines) but I also know that, unlike the LibDems, SNP and the Green Party they have a bigger problem of MPs and voters who can't accept that position without at least promising to try and leave.
Of course, the EU would just refuse to negotiate further and we can hopefully all move on with our lives. |
That’s the problem with Labour’s position. You shouldn’t have to read between the lines. | | | |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:24 - Jul 8 with 2700 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:22 - Jul 8 by ElderGrizzly |
That’s the problem with Labour’s position. You shouldn’t have to read between the lines. |
Agreed. But Brexit is a sh!tty situation. And we all know what happens to parties that don't fulfill their promises or even attempt to. [Post edited 8 Jul 2019 22:25]
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:07 - Jul 8 with 2642 views | BrixtonBlue |
Can't see anything wrong with that.
Just another day, another ElderGrizzly attack on Labour. |  |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:09 - Jul 8 with 2640 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 22:22 - Jul 8 by ElderGrizzly |
That’s the problem with Labour’s position. You shouldn’t have to read between the lines. |
It's you who is reading between the lines and trying to conjure up something that isn't there. | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:19 - Jul 8 with 2617 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:07 - Jul 8 by BrixtonBlue |
Can't see anything wrong with that.
Just another day, another ElderGrizzly attack on Labour. |
Oh come on Dollers, this is a confusing, poorly-thought-through, back-of-fag-packet mess. |  |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:21 - Jul 8 with 2613 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:19 - Jul 8 by BlueBadger |
Oh come on Dollers, this is a confusing, poorly-thought-through, back-of-fag-packet mess. |
Seems to be covering all bases to me. I can't see where (according to Grizzers) they'll be campaigning against themselves. | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:23 - Jul 8 with 2607 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:21 - Jul 8 by BrixtonBlue |
Seems to be covering all bases to me. I can't see where (according to Grizzers) they'll be campaigning against themselves. |
So, Labour Brexit policy is 'throw everything at the wall and hope the punters fall for it'?
That's not policy Dollers, that's yet more needless obfuscation and water-muddying when what's needed is clarity. | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:41 - Jul 8 with 2586 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:23 - Jul 8 by BlueBadger |
So, Labour Brexit policy is 'throw everything at the wall and hope the punters fall for it'?
That's not policy Dollers, that's yet more needless obfuscation and water-muddying when what's needed is clarity. |
But this is clear if you read it. It's saying what they'll do in different scenarios.
And you're probably aware that a significant number of Labour MPs and members have fought against any specific Remain no matter what or Leave no matter what. So it has to be dependent on scenarios. | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 00:07 - Jul 9 with 2495 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:23 - Jul 8 by BlueBadger |
So, Labour Brexit policy is 'throw everything at the wall and hope the punters fall for it'?
That's not policy Dollers, that's yet more needless obfuscation and water-muddying when what's needed is clarity. |
They've laid out what should happen in all scenarios. How is that obfuscation? It's a complex issue, if there was one great solution someone would've come up with it by now. | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 00:08 - Jul 9 with 2494 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 23:41 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
But this is clear if you read it. It's saying what they'll do in different scenarios.
And you're probably aware that a significant number of Labour MPs and members have fought against any specific Remain no matter what or Leave no matter what. So it has to be dependent on scenarios. |
Quite. Pretty clear to me. | |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 07:14 - Jul 9 with 2370 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 21:39 - Jul 8 by footers |
Crazy.
Almost the same thing that has been happening in most British parties on Brexit. Weird. |
It’s been happening in the Conservatives too and they also look an absolute shambles as a result
Meanwhile the parties that have a clear, straightforward message on Brexit (Lib Dems, Brexit Party, Greens) have been doing very well of late. That isn’t a coincidence |  |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 08:02 - Jul 9 with 2336 views | Herbivore |
Not sure why they bothered with scenario 2. Not only does it muddy the water (negotiating a deal they might end up campaigning against?) but the chances of Labour winning a GE anytime soon are so slim that they really need not worry about that scenario at all. |  |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 08:14 - Jul 9 with 2322 views | chicoazul |
This represents the Maximum Leader's attempts to please nearly all of the people 60% of the time. |  |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 08:20 - Jul 9 with 2310 views | itfcjoe |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 08:02 - Jul 9 by Herbivore |
Not sure why they bothered with scenario 2. Not only does it muddy the water (negotiating a deal they might end up campaigning against?) but the chances of Labour winning a GE anytime soon are so slim that they really need not worry about that scenario at all. |
If they were to get in power after a GE it will be Nicola Sturgeon, Jo Swinson and possibly Caroline Lucas setting their Brexit positions because they would be a minority Government topped up by a Remain alliance who simply will not try and renegotiate the deal |  |
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| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 08:31 - Jul 9 with 2288 views | Herbivore |
| Labour’s position on Brexit not going to be cleared up anytime soon on 08:20 - Jul 9 by itfcjoe |
If they were to get in power after a GE it will be Nicola Sturgeon, Jo Swinson and possibly Caroline Lucas setting their Brexit positions because they would be a minority Government topped up by a Remain alliance who simply will not try and renegotiate the deal |
We won't even get that. Labour have been so inept and so unwilling to take a position on Brexit that we're going to end up a Tory/Brexit coalition and likely a hard Brexit as a result. Scotland will leave the union and lord knows what will happen in Northern Ireland but it probably won't be pretty. A competent opposition would be smashing this. | |
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