| Is it right, right? 15:10 - Aug 11 with 9190 views | BrixtonBlue |
I voted for Chuka Umunna in the last General Election as a Labour candidate. Firstly, he left to be part of Change UK, now he's left that to join the Liberal Democrats, a party he described as "enabling Tory austerity" not so long ago.
I've also had a letter from him (calling me "Dear Friend") slating Corbyn and asking me to join him in the Lib Dems. The bloody cheek of it!
Jumping from party to party like Goldilocks is bad enough, but what irks me more is that Streatham (and parts of Balham, Brixton, Clapham and Tulse Hill) are now Liberal Democrat when they were previously staunch Labour.
Labour won in these areas fair and square, and I voted for them, but we are now Lib Dem just because Chuka decided to jump ship a couple of times. How is this right? I don't want a Lim Dem MOP, didn't vote for them, and they didn't win here. Yet now we have them.
Am I missing something? How is this allowed? |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 16:57 - Aug 11 with 3124 views | BlueBadger |
| Is it right, right? on 16:54 - Aug 11 by The_Last_Baron |
Boris is suitable for the current predicament and will win a general election, god willing.
The evening we leave the EU I intend to get drunk and dance the night away. What will you be doing? |
Idly wondering what I can do on November 1st that I can't do on October 31st? |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 16:57 - Aug 11 with 3126 views | BlueBadger |
| Is it right, right? on 16:56 - Aug 11 by footers |
He should have known not to mix it with such an intellectual heavyweight, eh, J2? |
It's like arguing with a gene-splicing of GTSB and Mark from 'Peep Show'. [Post edited 12 Aug 2019 6:47]
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| Is it right, right? on 16:58 - Aug 11 with 3120 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Is it right, right? on 16:55 - Aug 11 by BrixtonBlue |
393 views and 19 replies (including one from you) but "no one here cares."
Ok. |
I was offering you some free consultancy advice on how to conduct your twitter rantings.
Up the Town! And vote Boris. |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 16:59 - Aug 11 with 3115 views | J2BLUE |
| Is it right, right? on 16:54 - Aug 11 by BlueBadger |
What's the difference between giving one self-serving chancer a chance and not another? |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:00 - Aug 11 with 3114 views | Kievthegreat |
| Is it right, right? on 16:49 - Aug 11 by IpswichKnight |
Simple get 10% of the electorate in Streatham to sign a recall petition and he will then have to fight a by-election. |
You can't call a petition whenever you fancy. Otherwise every MP could be recalled ad nauseam as most MPs don't even receive a majority of votes so getting 10% would be a doddle.
From the Electoral Commission.....
The Petition Officer will open a recall
petition after the Speaker of the
House of Commons notifies them
that an MP has been:
- convicted of an offence and
received a custodial sentence
(including a suspended
sentence) or ordered to be
detained, other than solely under
mental health legislation
- barred from the House of
Commons for 10 sitting days or
14 calendar days, or
- convicted of providing false or
misleading information for
allowance claims under the
Parliamentary Standards Act
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| Is it right, right? on 17:01 - Aug 11 with 3108 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Is it right, right? on 16:57 - Aug 11 by BlueBadger |
Idly wondering what I can do on November 1st that I can't do on October 31st? |
Well I invite you to join be for a Brexit shindig and drink some fine Belgian beer and Russian vodka. You'd be more than welcome, just wear a smart shirt of some description and no Nike gear or dirty trainers. We will be entering a new era. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:01 - Aug 11 with 3106 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is it right, right? on 16:54 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
Hmmm. That these people are centre left is highly debatable.
Getting rid of careerist, party politicians is what's needed. Especially ones who don't actually represent an alternative to the status quo.
There is zero point having Labour as a centre party. It just pauses our inevitable slide to the right and towards the crazier nut jobs that we've got in power now. |
No, the Tories having no suitable opposition is what’s causing the inevitable slide to the right |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:01 - Aug 11 with 3107 views | Kievthegreat |
| Is it right, right? on 16:57 - Aug 11 by BlueBadger |
Idly wondering what I can do on November 1st that I can't do on October 31st? |
Think instead what you can't do on November 1st, that you could on October 31st. Much more to think about! | | | |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:03 - Aug 11 with 3093 views | BlueBadger |
| Is it right, right? on 17:01 - Aug 11 by The_Last_Baron |
Well I invite you to join be for a Brexit shindig and drink some fine Belgian beer and Russian vodka. You'd be more than welcome, just wear a smart shirt of some description and no Nike gear or dirty trainers. We will be entering a new era. |
So, the answer is 'I'll be able to go to a 'hurrah, the house is on fire' party?' | |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:06 - Aug 11 with 3083 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it right, right? on 17:01 - Aug 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No, the Tories having no suitable opposition is what’s causing the inevitable slide to the right |
We've been sliding to the right for decades.
Even having a landslide Labour government for three terms doesn't do anything to stop that when it doesn't actively push social democratic values and help rebalance the country and reverse growing divisions.
They were better than the Conservatives, of course, but Labour selling its soul for middle-class votes and acceptance is a big reason we are where we are now. |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:06 - Aug 11 with 3080 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Is it right, right? on 17:03 - Aug 11 by BlueBadger |
So, the answer is 'I'll be able to go to a 'hurrah, the house is on fire' party?' |
We will all be on fire sir, a great evening awaits. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:08 - Aug 11 with 3070 views | BlueBadger |
| Is it right, right? on 17:06 - Aug 11 by The_Last_Baron |
We will all be on fire sir, a great evening awaits. |
...if you're a disaster capitalist. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:18 - Aug 11 with 3055 views | jas0999 |
He’s quite right to slate Corbyn. |  | | |
| Is it right, right? on 17:29 - Aug 11 with 3038 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is it right, right? on 17:06 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
We've been sliding to the right for decades.
Even having a landslide Labour government for three terms doesn't do anything to stop that when it doesn't actively push social democratic values and help rebalance the country and reverse growing divisions.
They were better than the Conservatives, of course, but Labour selling its soul for middle-class votes and acceptance is a big reason we are where we are now. |
It’s not, as the alternative would have been more Conservative rule | |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:30 - Aug 11 with 3036 views | m14_blue |
| Is it right, right? on 16:54 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
Hmmm. That these people are centre left is highly debatable.
Getting rid of careerist, party politicians is what's needed. Especially ones who don't actually represent an alternative to the status quo.
There is zero point having Labour as a centre party. It just pauses our inevitable slide to the right and towards the crazier nut jobs that we've got in power now. |
Corbyn took over in September 2015, would you say our slide to the right has slowed or accelerated in the years since?
Anyway, there’s a huge difference between having Labour as a centrist party and having a left leaning Labour Party that can still appeal to enough centrist voters and politicians to actually wield power. | | | |
| Is it right, right? on 17:31 - Aug 11 with 3032 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is it right, right? on 17:30 - Aug 11 by m14_blue |
Corbyn took over in September 2015, would you say our slide to the right has slowed or accelerated in the years since?
Anyway, there’s a huge difference between having Labour as a centrist party and having a left leaning Labour Party that can still appeal to enough centrist voters and politicians to actually wield power. |
Well quite | |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:38 - Aug 11 with 3019 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Is it right, right? on 16:57 - Aug 11 by BlueBadger |
Idly wondering what I can do on November 1st that I can't do on October 31st? |
There'll be a general election on Nov 1st. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:58 - Aug 11 with 2989 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Is it right, right? on 16:56 - Aug 11 by BlueBadger |
Ironically enough, Chukka is, in his anti-Brexitism, standing up for Dolly's interests a lot more than the Dear Leader Who Can Do Wrong is. |
Except, as I've stated many times, I don't just vote on Brexit. I vote on a variety of issues. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 17:59 - Aug 11 with 2987 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Is it right, right? on 16:58 - Aug 11 by The_Last_Baron |
I was offering you some free consultancy advice on how to conduct your twitter rantings.
Up the Town! And vote Boris. |
I'm not on twitter, so not sure what you're on about. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 18:01 - Aug 11 with 2979 views | m14_blue |
| Is it right, right? on 17:58 - Aug 11 by BrixtonBlue |
Except, as I've stated many times, I don't just vote on Brexit. I vote on a variety of issues. |
Out of interest, which other issues do you agree with Jezza and not Chukka on?
I agree with the point in your OP though, it’s not right. | | | |
| Is it right, right? on 18:02 - Aug 11 with 2976 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Is it right, right? on 17:18 - Aug 11 by jas0999 |
He’s quite right to slate Corbyn. |
Massively missing the point, but never mind. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 18:03 - Aug 11 with 2972 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Is it right, right? on 18:01 - Aug 11 by m14_blue |
Out of interest, which other issues do you agree with Jezza and not Chukka on?
I agree with the point in your OP though, it’s not right. |
I haven't got the time or inclination to get into that right now. It's a lovely Sunday evening. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 18:11 - Aug 11 with 2954 views | m14_blue |
| Is it right, right? on 18:03 - Aug 11 by BrixtonBlue |
I haven't got the time or inclination to get into that right now. It's a lovely Sunday evening. |
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| Is it right, right? on 18:12 - Aug 11 with 2954 views | TractorWood |
| Is it right, right? on 15:39 - Aug 11 by BlueBoots |
"Am I missing something? How is this allowed?"
For the same reason that 125,000 people got to choose between 2 wholly unsuitable candidates to be our current prime minister...
Our entire electoral system is farked and not fit for purpose. |
The electorate has never directly chosen the prime minister. We vote for candidates (who normally represent a party) at constituency level. Notwithstanding I agree with the substance of your point, our electoral system is ridiculous.
Although we did have a referendum about its use in 2011. At which turnout was poor and AV was significantly voted against. |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 18:18 - Aug 11 with 2949 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it right, right? on 17:30 - Aug 11 by m14_blue |
Corbyn took over in September 2015, would you say our slide to the right has slowed or accelerated in the years since?
Anyway, there’s a huge difference between having Labour as a centrist party and having a left leaning Labour Party that can still appeal to enough centrist voters and politicians to actually wield power. |
It's gone more quickly. But that's far more to do with Brexit that has certainly brought some of the nutters more quickly into the limelight.
Before that we've had an austerity government propped up by the Lib Dems and a Labour Party that was even less effective in opposition and less attractive democratically. That's the problem with a soft centre - they're enablers more than an opposition or an alternative.
But if you think it's about getting into power and being pragmatic then we're coming at it from entirely different perspectives. For me, that pragmatism and politicking is a Catch 22 because then you attract the politicians, supporters and manifestos that will actively stop you making necessary and progressive changes. Many in the Labour Party have singularly failed to address this lack of belief and commitment to social democratic let alone socialist ideals and it's seen them destroyed in Scotland, marginalised in the North of England and sidelined by the "Corbynistas" who are engaged by a desire for a real political alternative.
So very happy to see Change and the Independents crash and burn. There wasn't anything there that was worth saving and certainly a lot less than the existing Lib Dems and SNP whose position they tried to usurp. | |
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