| omg emily thornberry just said 23:27 - Sep 5 with 22885 views | Trequartista |
If labour win an election they will negotiate a new deal with the eu and then have a referendum and campaign against the deal they have negiotiated.
Now i know the twtd bubble is only concerned with booting johnson but back in the real world the weakest most chaotic government in history is about 8 points clear of labour. And with statements like the aforementioned how can they expect anyone to vote for that? |  |
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| omg emily thornberry just said on 15:00 - Sep 7 with 1301 views | Darth_Koont |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 14:54 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Stephen Kinnock reckons he has 30 labour votes for MV4 (May/Kinnock) that were not there on MV3. Add them to the number who voted for MV3 and it squeaks through. Completely takes the ERG out of the equation. And Boris can get an election based on the fact that he took us out before Oct 31 with a deal.
Of course it won’t be enough to keep Farage happy so he’ll have a tough fight against Brexit party candidates but if we are out then I can’t see much point in voting for them.
Alternatively there is the Kyle-Wilson amendment which has a second referendum attached to it but I can’t see enough Tory support for that. |
Doesn't change the original point that we still don't know what we're doing. Nor, amidst the mess and the lies, is there any specific mandate for it. |  |
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| omg emily thornberry just said on 15:02 - Sep 7 with 1295 views | Darth_Koont |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 14:54 - Sep 7 by GaryCooper |
Why has Jeremy completed such a 180? |
Maybe because he has no faith in our government to get the right kind of exit deal?
I'd say he's absolutely right. | |
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| omg emily thornberry just said on 17:12 - Sep 7 with 1232 views | GaryCooper |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 15:02 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont |
Maybe because he has no faith in our government to get the right kind of exit deal?
I'd say he's absolutely right. |
It is strange though, I mean he just appears to be a bullshtter like Boris doesn't he?
The lack of equivalence when criticising politicians of different brands is breath taking. |  | | |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 19:07 - Sep 7 with 1204 views | m14_blue |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 17:12 - Sep 7 by GaryCooper |
It is strange though, I mean he just appears to be a bullshtter like Boris doesn't he?
The lack of equivalence when criticising politicians of different brands is breath taking. |
Lack of equivalence from who? |  | | |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 21:42 - Sep 7 with 1176 views | BackToRussia |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 17:12 - Sep 7 by GaryCooper |
It is strange though, I mean he just appears to be a bullshtter like Boris doesn't he?
The lack of equivalence when criticising politicians of different brands is breath taking. |
Haha, you're comparing a principled, career-long opposition to the EU compared to Boris' writing two essays, one for Leave, and one for Remain before deciding that yeah, he probably had more to gain from Leave winning so he's gonna campaign for that? |  |
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| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:45 - Sep 7 with 1151 views | GaryCooper |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 21:42 - Sep 7 by BackToRussia |
Haha, you're comparing a principled, career-long opposition to the EU compared to Boris' writing two essays, one for Leave, and one for Remain before deciding that yeah, he probably had more to gain from Leave winning so he's gonna campaign for that? |
Both liars and opportunists are they not?
Indefensible populism from both, bollox to them all. | | | |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:47 - Sep 7 with 1149 views | BackToRussia |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:45 - Sep 7 by GaryCooper |
Both liars and opportunists are they not?
Indefensible populism from both, bollox to them all. |
Corbyn is the opposite of a populist. It would have been much easier for him to fully flip flop and come out pushing for a second referendum when everyone was clamouring for it. He got pelters for NOT changing his position.
You couldn't find two more different people or politicians. | |
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| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:53 - Sep 7 with 1139 views | GaryCooper |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:47 - Sep 7 by BackToRussia |
Corbyn is the opposite of a populist. It would have been much easier for him to fully flip flop and come out pushing for a second referendum when everyone was clamouring for it. He got pelters for NOT changing his position.
You couldn't find two more different people or politicians. |
Blimey, ok, but just imagine a true 'for the many labour leader' we wouldn't have to endure this sh1t show of history from Jeremy. He can not win and the country continues to suffer with his resume that will not go away.
This country needs fresh uniting energy. | | | |
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| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:56 - Sep 7 with 1133 views | BackToRussia |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:53 - Sep 7 by GaryCooper |
Blimey, ok, but just imagine a true 'for the many labour leader' we wouldn't have to endure this sh1t show of history from Jeremy. He can not win and the country continues to suffer with his resume that will not go away.
This country needs fresh uniting energy. |
Any suggestions? | |
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| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:58 - Sep 7 with 1126 views | GaryCooper |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:56 - Sep 7 by BackToRussia |
Any suggestions? |
Perhaps some previous Labour giants to return? The non geek Milliband? | | | |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 08:01 - Sep 8 with 1057 views | Leaky |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 07:31 - Sep 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
Yes that IS labour's stated position - and always has been despite Corbyn's dithering. What exactly is wrong with that? IF it is actually possible to leave the EU - and the Good Friday agreement actually puts that in doubt, given the extremists' view of what Brexit actually is, the great unwashed will have a choice between the reality of Brexit or staying in. More or less the polar opposite of the referendum we were offered back in the early 70s - a choice between the reality of joining the EU or the reality of staying out. The only better option I have seen is the LIb Dem's - have a referendum before a general election so the election can be had onlies on domestic issues not skewed by lies on Brexit. |
In the 70's we didn't vote to join the EU. We voted to the EEC or Common Market. totally different to the EU. |  | | |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 09:18 - Sep 8 with 1022 views | jimmyvet |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 22:47 - Sep 7 by BackToRussia |
Corbyn is the opposite of a populist. It would have been much easier for him to fully flip flop and come out pushing for a second referendum when everyone was clamouring for it. He got pelters for NOT changing his position.
You couldn't find two more different people or politicians. |
Seriously you don’t actually believe that do you. What is shows is Corbyn same as the vast majority of MPs has no principles at all. JC is playing politics because he wants power, the idea he is a man of principle now is laughable. That said I don’t blame JC he is leader of opposition and wants to lead the country but please don’t spout he is man of principle cos that’s just rubbish. | | | |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 09:40 - Sep 8 with 1008 views | BackToRussia |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 09:18 - Sep 8 by jimmyvet |
Seriously you don’t actually believe that do you. What is shows is Corbyn same as the vast majority of MPs has no principles at all. JC is playing politics because he wants power, the idea he is a man of principle now is laughable. That said I don’t blame JC he is leader of opposition and wants to lead the country but please don’t spout he is man of principle cos that’s just rubbish. |
He was a back bencher with no ambitions to high office for decades. When his party moved to the centre and was elected, did he compromise his principles to get a cabinet position? No. Did he support the Iraq war? No. He has come to power through a crisis of identity in the Labour party, one which saw it took a leftwards turn, i.e. Once it aligned with Corbyn's personal politics.
Compare and contrast this to Boris career if you please.
Corbyn is now the leader of a party and potential PM. Of course he now has to balance this with strictly his personal politics. But has he betrayed them? I'd like to see you argue that. Currently your argument is that "he doesn't have principles", with no evidence to support this aside from his position on Brexit.
Interestingly it was a common accusation in his early leadership that he had no ability to play at realpolitik and would never be able to manipulate events to achieve power.
It's almost like any sh1t that'll stick will do eh. [Post edited 8 Sep 2019 9:41]
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| omg emily thornberry just said on 10:01 - Sep 8 with 993 views | WeWereZombies |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 08:01 - Sep 8 by Leaky |
In the 70's we didn't vote to join the EU. We voted to the EEC or Common Market. totally different to the EU. |
There is a degree of continuity from the European Economic Community and then on to the European Community and, as of now, the European Union. Started off as the European Coal and Steel Community y'know. Anyway, your comment does bring up the question of when do you decide to be in or out of a supranational grouping? Because if you have to have a referendum at every change in the operation then that is impractical, but if you have a major change like adoption of the Maastricht Treaty or Lisbon Treaty then that would be a good point to put things to the people.
So how come it was seven years after the Lisbon Treaty came into force that we had a referendum, and only in the United Kingdom (at that time)? Would it not also have been better for all nations that were party to the treaties to held plebiscites before the treaties were signed? It is almost as if that referendum in June 2016 was about something else... |  |
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| omg emily thornberry just said on 12:49 - Sep 8 with 948 views | eireblue |
| omg emily thornberry just said on 10:01 - Sep 8 by WeWereZombies |
There is a degree of continuity from the European Economic Community and then on to the European Community and, as of now, the European Union. Started off as the European Coal and Steel Community y'know. Anyway, your comment does bring up the question of when do you decide to be in or out of a supranational grouping? Because if you have to have a referendum at every change in the operation then that is impractical, but if you have a major change like adoption of the Maastricht Treaty or Lisbon Treaty then that would be a good point to put things to the people.
So how come it was seven years after the Lisbon Treaty came into force that we had a referendum, and only in the United Kingdom (at that time)? Would it not also have been better for all nations that were party to the treaties to held plebiscites before the treaties were signed? It is almost as if that referendum in June 2016 was about something else... |
Some people that say they only voted to join the Common Market in 75, may not have read the pamphlet published by the Government closely enough. |  | | |
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