| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 16:43 - Jan 11 with 2707 views | hampstead_blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 16:40 - Jan 11 by jaykay |
you must have missed the bit where people have pointed out the usa shot down a plane by mistake. but i expect its all corbyns fault. havent noticed what boris has said about all this so far, as he the prime minister. |
The thread talks about the Iranian's shooting down a plane of innocent civi's.
The point about the USA is a trad distraction. Start a thread on that if you want to discuss it.
I've made a valid point about the OP. |  |
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 18:36 - Jan 11 with 2698 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 07:12 - Jan 11 by ElderGrizzly |
Yep, the President admitting it
We’d known this a few hours since the crash, but Ukrainians wanted pressure on Iran to admit it first.
Of course none of this happens without Trump’s misguided actions in Iraq to begin with [Post edited 11 Jan 2020 7:14]
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Trump held back on three or four occasions when Iranian sponsored terrorists attacked US contractors. When they killed one, that was enough. Trump was entitled to take steps to protect his country and his actions were justified. The person they killed was scum.
It’s typical of people like you always to side with or give the benefit of the doubt to the enemies of this country. |  | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 18:56 - Jan 11 with 2688 views | Bluesquid |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 18:36 - Jan 11 by Oxford_Blue |
Trump held back on three or four occasions when Iranian sponsored terrorists attacked US contractors. When they killed one, that was enough. Trump was entitled to take steps to protect his country and his actions were justified. The person they killed was scum.
It’s typical of people like you always to side with or give the benefit of the doubt to the enemies of this country. |
Does every country have the right to assassinate another country's official/general who they deem guilty or is it just an American thing? | | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 19:02 - Jan 11 with 2676 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 18:56 - Jan 11 by Bluesquid |
Does every country have the right to assassinate another country's official/general who they deem guilty or is it just an American thing? |
Every country had the right to self defence. Trump showed restraint on several occasions when provoked - even his defence staff disagreed. He drew a line when an innocent US citizen was murdered and had intelligence that further major attacks were being planned. | | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 19:07 - Jan 11 with 2666 views | footers |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 19:02 - Jan 11 by Oxford_Blue |
Every country had the right to self defence. Trump showed restraint on several occasions when provoked - even his defence staff disagreed. He drew a line when an innocent US citizen was murdered and had intelligence that further major attacks were being planned. |
An innocent US citizen working for a US defence contractor in a country which had been previously, illegally invaded by the US et al?
There are many shades of grey here, but unsurprising that you don't see them. |  |
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 19:10 - Jan 11 with 2659 views | m14_blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 18:36 - Jan 11 by Oxford_Blue |
Trump held back on three or four occasions when Iranian sponsored terrorists attacked US contractors. When they killed one, that was enough. Trump was entitled to take steps to protect his country and his actions were justified. The person they killed was scum.
It’s typical of people like you always to side with or give the benefit of the doubt to the enemies of this country. |
Did you mean that as a reply to EG??
If so, then I have to take issue with your last paragraph and ask what you mean by ‘people like you’? I’ve never seen anything like that from him at all. | | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 19:23 - Jan 11 with 2644 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 19:07 - Jan 11 by footers |
An innocent US citizen working for a US defence contractor in a country which had been previously, illegally invaded by the US et al?
There are many shades of grey here, but unsurprising that you don't see them. |
So your logic is that if, 15 years ago, there was an invasion which you didn’t agree with, the current president shouldn’t protect his country and people?
Are you out of your mind? | | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 20:33 - Jan 11 with 2609 views | Churchman |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 14:26 - Jan 11 by hampstead_blue |
Our gov will back the USA. I was simply showing the apologists on the other side of the house.
I didn't add that I was with a few Royal Marines yesterday. We had a brief chat about this and they all agreed with me.
According to them, Soulimani has been a known target for a long time. He was on the clock. Only a matter of time before the USA did the job.
I think Trump has signalled that he is prepared act. Iran will back down, they have no choice. |
I was at an RE charity lunch in Chatham today and the people I chatted to there mirrored your view - and mine. |  | | |
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 20:40 - Jan 11 with 2603 views | jeera |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 20:33 - Jan 11 by Churchman |
I was at an RE charity lunch in Chatham today and the people I chatted to there mirrored your view - and mine. |
Even the pretend apologists that don't exist?
That's not possible, because it isn't true.
No one has denied the man's crimes. For my two-penneth, I'm not sorry in the slightest to see the back of him.
For Hampstead it's all some game - the bloke's an imbecile in case you hadn't noticed, and a fantasist on many levels. He invents things to coincide with his oft ridiculous views.
It's not complicated to understand why some people have expressed concern at the legality and the possible consequences of the US action.
Many innocent people have already died as a direct or indirect consequence so it's all very big of some of us to sit and boast how fecking patriotic it all is and how great we are when some poor families are in pieces right now over lost loved ones.
I would suggest some of us should perhaps show a little more humility and pack in the pathetic point scoring.
Safe here, right now in the UK, giving it the biggun'. |  |
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 20:53 - Jan 11 with 2591 views | jaykay |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 20:40 - Jan 11 by jeera |
Even the pretend apologists that don't exist?
That's not possible, because it isn't true.
No one has denied the man's crimes. For my two-penneth, I'm not sorry in the slightest to see the back of him.
For Hampstead it's all some game - the bloke's an imbecile in case you hadn't noticed, and a fantasist on many levels. He invents things to coincide with his oft ridiculous views.
It's not complicated to understand why some people have expressed concern at the legality and the possible consequences of the US action.
Many innocent people have already died as a direct or indirect consequence so it's all very big of some of us to sit and boast how fecking patriotic it all is and how great we are when some poor families are in pieces right now over lost loved ones.
I would suggest some of us should perhaps show a little more humility and pack in the pathetic point scoring.
Safe here, right now in the UK, giving it the biggun'. |
i think you hit the nail on the head there. hes always got a story to tell. be carefull thou you will get a pm sooner or later |  |
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 20:58 - Jan 11 with 2578 views | jeera |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 20:53 - Jan 11 by jaykay |
i think you hit the nail on the head there. hes always got a story to tell. be carefull thou you will get a pm sooner or later |
I've got the idiot on ignore but saw his comments earlier when not logged in.
Wasn't it you he told to start your own thread if you disagreed with him?
Cheek of it. He spread a pile of sh1t on my thread and then comes out with that?
Gav needs to introduce a perk where an OP can boot posters off his/her thread for being a tw@t. | |
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 21:03 - Jan 11 with 2565 views | footers |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 20:40 - Jan 11 by jeera |
Even the pretend apologists that don't exist?
That's not possible, because it isn't true.
No one has denied the man's crimes. For my two-penneth, I'm not sorry in the slightest to see the back of him.
For Hampstead it's all some game - the bloke's an imbecile in case you hadn't noticed, and a fantasist on many levels. He invents things to coincide with his oft ridiculous views.
It's not complicated to understand why some people have expressed concern at the legality and the possible consequences of the US action.
Many innocent people have already died as a direct or indirect consequence so it's all very big of some of us to sit and boast how fecking patriotic it all is and how great we are when some poor families are in pieces right now over lost loved ones.
I would suggest some of us should perhaps show a little more humility and pack in the pathetic point scoring.
Safe here, right now in the UK, giving it the biggun'. |
Spot on, buh!
For some it's all very black and white.
The killing was extrajudicial and could've sparked far more serious consequences than we have already seen. In fact, ~180 innocent people* losing their lives is a pretty big consequence.
*incl. three Brits IIRC. [Post edited 11 Jan 2020 21:04]
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 07:02 - Jan 12 with 2483 views | hampstead_blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 20:40 - Jan 11 by jeera |
Even the pretend apologists that don't exist?
That's not possible, because it isn't true.
No one has denied the man's crimes. For my two-penneth, I'm not sorry in the slightest to see the back of him.
For Hampstead it's all some game - the bloke's an imbecile in case you hadn't noticed, and a fantasist on many levels. He invents things to coincide with his oft ridiculous views.
It's not complicated to understand why some people have expressed concern at the legality and the possible consequences of the US action.
Many innocent people have already died as a direct or indirect consequence so it's all very big of some of us to sit and boast how fecking patriotic it all is and how great we are when some poor families are in pieces right now over lost loved ones.
I would suggest some of us should perhaps show a little more humility and pack in the pathetic point scoring.
Safe here, right now in the UK, giving it the biggun'. |
Bunkum and an insult of you don't mind.
Calling someone out as a fantasist in that context is the same as calling me a Walt. You may want to check what that means and edit.
The fact that I work with serving and veterans of all shapes, sizes, and roles, means I get a handle on what's going on.
Also my colleagues are all 16 years plus in the forces, Army mainly.
The amount of quality judgement in our gaff is incredible.
If you want to apologise and side with others then feel free. The USA and UK have a rather long list of names which, over time, have done huge injustices to our country.
It's right that when we get the chance us or our allies take decisive action (I'd add Tony Blair to that btw).
Check out the documentary on the BBC about him. He's a pretty vile person.
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I've just seen this on the BBC this morning: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51077897
If you want provocation and proof that Iran's actions on DELIBERATELY shooting down a civilian plane are BS then this item is it.
Why arrest a bloke having a haircut who's just been peacefully attending a vigil? Oh, he just happens to be 'Our man in Tehran'.
You don't "accidently" shoot down anything. Believe Iran and you're got your head next to many hard....buried deep in sand. [Post edited 12 Jan 2020 7:05]
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| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 07:08 - Jan 12 with 2483 views | m14_blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 07:02 - Jan 12 by hampstead_blue |
Bunkum and an insult of you don't mind.
Calling someone out as a fantasist in that context is the same as calling me a Walt. You may want to check what that means and edit.
The fact that I work with serving and veterans of all shapes, sizes, and roles, means I get a handle on what's going on.
Also my colleagues are all 16 years plus in the forces, Army mainly.
The amount of quality judgement in our gaff is incredible.
If you want to apologise and side with others then feel free. The USA and UK have a rather long list of names which, over time, have done huge injustices to our country.
It's right that when we get the chance us or our allies take decisive action (I'd add Tony Blair to that btw).
Check out the documentary on the BBC about him. He's a pretty vile person.
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I've just seen this on the BBC this morning: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51077897
If you want provocation and proof that Iran's actions on DELIBERATELY shooting down a civilian plane are BS then this item is it.
Why arrest a bloke having a haircut who's just been peacefully attending a vigil? Oh, he just happens to be 'Our man in Tehran'.
You don't "accidently" shoot down anything. Believe Iran and you're got your head next to many hard....buried deep in sand. [Post edited 12 Jan 2020 7:05]
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Why would they deliberately shoot down the plane? | | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 08:21 - Jan 12 with 2463 views | BloomBlue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 07:08 - Jan 12 by m14_blue |
Why would they deliberately shoot down the plane? |
They thought it was a missile, they deliberately it shot down. That's the problem why were they even allowing planes to fly in and out of an airport if they were on heightened awareness. This totally Iran's fault |  | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 09:02 - Jan 12 with 2447 views | m14_blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 08:21 - Jan 12 by BloomBlue |
They thought it was a missile, they deliberately it shot down. That's the problem why were they even allowing planes to fly in and out of an airport if they were on heightened awareness. This totally Iran's fault |
Of course it’s their fault and I’m sure your explanation is right but that’s not the same as them deliberately shooting down an airliner. | | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 15:35 - Jan 12 with 2391 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 08:21 - Jan 12 by BloomBlue |
They thought it was a missile, they deliberately it shot down. That's the problem why were they even allowing planes to fly in and out of an airport if they were on heightened awareness. This totally Iran's fault |
That isn’t deliberately intending to shoot down a plane. That is deliberately intending to shoot down a missile. | | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 16:32 - Jan 12 with 2367 views | StokieBlue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 08:21 - Jan 12 by BloomBlue |
They thought it was a missile, they deliberately it shot down. That's the problem why were they even allowing planes to fly in and out of an airport if they were on heightened awareness. This totally Iran's fault |
It was flying at 300mph.
No missile flies that slowly. It was certainly mistaken identify, they clearly didn't mean to shoot down the plane but it's a stretch to think it was a missile.
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 17:42 - Jan 12 with 2344 views | hampstead_blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 07:08 - Jan 12 by m14_blue |
Why would they deliberately shoot down the plane? |
Because the USA had just taken out the head of their terrorist supporting forces.
The way they tried to apologise was almost as funny as Russia.
Anyone who thinks they got it wrong is easily fooled.
The radar signature of a missile, F16 (or fighter jet), civi 737 type plane are all incredibly different.
It was deliberate.
Posters such as Jeera complain when challenged on their hard left view of the world. They among others will do anything discredit opposing views. SImply throwing bricks doesn't obscure the awkward truth. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 17:46 - Jan 12 with 2342 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 16:32 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue |
It was flying at 300mph.
No missile flies that slowly. It was certainly mistaken identify, they clearly didn't mean to shoot down the plane but it's a stretch to think it was a missile.
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Of course.
But under pressure, in heightened panic and tension, amongst inexperienced operators mistakes can and do happen. | | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 17:47 - Jan 12 with 2342 views | m14_blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 17:42 - Jan 12 by hampstead_blue |
Because the USA had just taken out the head of their terrorist supporting forces.
The way they tried to apologise was almost as funny as Russia.
Anyone who thinks they got it wrong is easily fooled.
The radar signature of a missile, F16 (or fighter jet), civi 737 type plane are all incredibly different.
It was deliberate.
Posters such as Jeera complain when challenged on their hard left view of the world. They among others will do anything discredit opposing views. SImply throwing bricks doesn't obscure the awkward truth. |
You’ve lost me I’m afraid.
Why would they shoot down a Ukrainian airliner, with no Americans on board, in retaliation for the killing of Soleimani? | | | |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 17:50 - Jan 12 with 2338 views | Herbivore |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 13:24 - Jan 11 by hampstead_blue |
The USA had fair right to take out Soulemani.
If you watch the recent documentary on the BBC about him then he's had it coming for some time.
We are at war, not on an official standing, but low intensity, asymmetric warfare. He has been a viable target for both is and the US for years.
Look at how he armed the militia in Basra who murdered British service personnel.
So far as the downing of the civilian plane is concerned I find Iran's explanation insulting.
Radar signatures of a passenger jet and fast jet are black and white. If you think a missile operator got his F-16 from 737 the wrong way around I would state naivety.
If it were an error, why has it not happened before?
This Labour regime will never criticize Iran openly without a letter to them stating "Look I've got to do this for the cameras, I don't really mean it. Is my TV deal still on when I stand down from being Supreme Leader?" |
You can stop electioneering now, you div. |  |
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| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 17:52 - Jan 12 with 2335 views | hampstead_blue |
| Iran changes stance on plane disaster on 17:50 - Jan 12 by Herbivore |
You can stop electioneering now, you div. |
Read the entire post. Stop embarrassing yourself by ignoring the nose on your face | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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