| The Sun nonsense has begun 22:50 - Feb 2 with 14930 views | tractordownsouth |
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10873187/keir-starmer-earns-legal-advice-mp-pay/
It's hilarious how throughout every election, the right wing press falsely claims that Labour have a vendetta against the rich and people who work hard yet when Starmer earns good money for being a lawyer then that's awful too. I didn't see the outrage when George Osborne took a job at BlackRock, earning 600k for 2 days a week work...
The quote from Tory MP David Morris claiming this means Starmer is "out of touch" is ridiculous... the bloke is the son of a nurse and worked his way up, it's not as if he was born with a silver spoon. And meanwhile Morris' wiki page shows that he denies child poverty in his own constituency. Classy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Morris_(Conservative_politician)
Proves they'll dig up any old nonsense...
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| The Sun smears have begun on 11:24 - Feb 3 with 2244 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 11:07 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
It could only have been the Guardian on Sat, Sunday Times, or BBC. That's my news
I'll see if the papers are still here. Probably swimming with the worms |
Here was what was actually said, reported by most national newspapers
At a speech to mark Brexit day, the shadow Brexit secretary said that the divisions between Leave and Remain must end, and made a passionate defence of EU freedom of movement.
He said: “I want families to be able to live together, whether that’s in Europe or here, and I want people in this country, in the United Kingdom, to be able to go and study in Europe just as they can now, and people in Europe to be able to come and study here.
“We have to make the case for freedom of movement.”
Asked if he would bring it back if he were in No 10, Sir Keir said: “Yes, of course. Bring back, argue for, challenge”.
What you have done, as ever, is to spin that into something different by adding stuff that he never said. A clear continuation of all that has gone before regarding brexit. [Post edited 3 Feb 2020 12:03]
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| The Sun smears have begun on 11:53 - Feb 3 with 2217 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 10:21 - Feb 3 by BrixtonBlue |
I'm not even just talking about anti-semitism though.
The fact that you're swerving all points only proves mine. That's fine, I didn't expect a leopard to change its spots. It's your loss. I wonder if you'll look back one day and think about all the time you spent posting essays that influence no-one and wonder if your time might have been better spent. |
Well done to you and DK for turning somebody else thread into an ad hominem attack on me.
You talk about "my brand of politics" turning people off yet you were turned onto politics by a man who has lead his party into being the first since the BNP to be placed under a statutory investigation by the EHRC, has associated and supported all manner of terrorists such as the provisional IRA when they were blowing up innocent schoolkids outside of shopping centres, hung about with and supported some of the vilest antisemites, blood libellers and holocaust deniers, stayed silent as two of it's female Jewish MP's were driven out of the Labour party and apoinyed a team around him which are now being investigated for systematic bullying which lead to staffers considering taking their own lives.
So I won't take any lectures from you on my "brand of politics" thank you.
During the time I have been posting on Corbyn's role in enabling antisemitism in the Labour party and his support for terrorists, you have equally spent your time defending it and excusing it. So when we both look back on our time spent on here I wonder who will feel the most ashamed?
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| The Sun smears have begun on 11:58 - Feb 3 with 2192 views | GaryCooper |
| The Sun smears have begun on 11:24 - Feb 3 by HARRY10 |
Here was what was actually said, reported by most national newspapers
At a speech to mark Brexit day, the shadow Brexit secretary said that the divisions between Leave and Remain must end, and made a passionate defence of EU freedom of movement.
He said: “I want families to be able to live together, whether that’s in Europe or here, and I want people in this country, in the United Kingdom, to be able to go and study in Europe just as they can now, and people in Europe to be able to come and study here.
“We have to make the case for freedom of movement.”
Asked if he would bring it back if he were in No 10, Sir Keir said: “Yes, of course. Bring back, argue for, challenge”.
What you have done, as ever, is to spin that into something different by adding stuff that he never said. A clear continuation of all that has gone before regarding brexit. [Post edited 3 Feb 2020 12:03]
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Semantics, you know he wants and would bring back free movement.
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| The Sun smears have begun on 12:02 - Feb 3 with 2174 views | Herbivore |
| The Sun smears have begun on 11:58 - Feb 3 by GaryCooper |
Semantics, you know he wants and would bring back free movement.
Are you correct about anything, ever? |
We didn't have a referendum on free movement though, so the narrative that arguing for a return of free movement would be overturning the referendum is rather disingenuous at best. |  |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 12:02 - Feb 3 with 2172 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 11:58 - Feb 3 by GaryCooper |
Semantics, you know he wants and would bring back free movement.
Are you correct about anything, ever? |
eh ?
so I post up Starmers actual words which disprove HB's claim and then up you pop to claim it is semantics ! | | | |
| The Sun smears have begun on 12:14 - Feb 3 with 2156 views | GaryCooper |
| The Sun smears have begun on 12:02 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
We didn't have a referendum on free movement though, so the narrative that arguing for a return of free movement would be overturning the referendum is rather disingenuous at best. |
"were Starmer stated that if he were PM he would ignore the referendum vote and allow free movement of people from the EU?
It is a pick and mix from that statement though, half of it is correct half is not, Harry states that KS did not say that, he is correct in that he did not say EXACTLY that, but it is true in it's intent. | | | |
| The Sun smears have begun on 12:16 - Feb 3 with 2149 views | Herbivore |
| The Sun smears have begun on 12:14 - Feb 3 by GaryCooper |
"were Starmer stated that if he were PM he would ignore the referendum vote and allow free movement of people from the EU?
It is a pick and mix from that statement though, half of it is correct half is not, Harry states that KS did not say that, he is correct in that he did not say EXACTLY that, but it is true in it's intent. |
You don't have an issue with the whole lie about him overturning the will of the people then? | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 12:26 - Feb 3 with 2121 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 12:14 - Feb 3 by GaryCooper |
"were Starmer stated that if he were PM he would ignore the referendum vote and allow free movement of people from the EU?
It is a pick and mix from that statement though, half of it is correct half is not, Harry states that KS did not say that, he is correct in that he did not say EXACTLY that, but it is true in it's intent. |
"Harry states that KS did not say that, he is correct in that he did not say EXACTLY that"
glad that is sorted out, but this bit is still a lie
but it is true in it's intent
as "Asked if he would bring it back if he were in No 10, Sir Keir said: “Yes, of course. Bring back, argue for, challenge”.
Which is perefectly within his remit as PM. Just as it is within the remit of both houses of Parliament to vote on whether they agree with that.
It has NOTHING to do with an advisory vote that may well have been taken a up to a decade previous. So stop making up stuff and perhaps have the decency to apologise for lying. [Post edited 3 Feb 2020 12:30]
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| The Sun smears have begun on 13:09 - Feb 3 with 2082 views | hampstead_blue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 11:24 - Feb 3 by HARRY10 |
Here was what was actually said, reported by most national newspapers
At a speech to mark Brexit day, the shadow Brexit secretary said that the divisions between Leave and Remain must end, and made a passionate defence of EU freedom of movement.
He said: “I want families to be able to live together, whether that’s in Europe or here, and I want people in this country, in the United Kingdom, to be able to go and study in Europe just as they can now, and people in Europe to be able to come and study here.
“We have to make the case for freedom of movement.”
Asked if he would bring it back if he were in No 10, Sir Keir said: “Yes, of course. Bring back, argue for, challenge”.
What you have done, as ever, is to spin that into something different by adding stuff that he never said. A clear continuation of all that has gone before regarding brexit. [Post edited 3 Feb 2020 12:03]
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The quote was. "If I am pm I will bring back free movement for members of the EU".
Am in the gym so can't spend hours searching.
His statement ignored the referendum, as simple as that. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The Sun smears have begun on 13:10 - Feb 3 with 2086 views | tractordownsouth |
| The Sun smears have begun on 13:09 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
The quote was. "If I am pm I will bring back free movement for members of the EU".
Am in the gym so can't spend hours searching.
His statement ignored the referendum, as simple as that. |
It's not " as simple as that"...
That's been the problem with politics ever since the referendum. Black and white rubbish without any consideration for facts. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 13:13 - Feb 3 with 2081 views | Herbivore |
| The Sun smears have begun on 13:09 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
The quote was. "If I am pm I will bring back free movement for members of the EU".
Am in the gym so can't spend hours searching.
His statement ignored the referendum, as simple as that. |
We didn't have a referendum on freedom of movement, so he's not ignoring any referendum with his statement. Retaining freedom of movement was an option mooted before the referendum and remains an option for us should we so wish to pursue it.
Still even after the Tories won a dangerously large majority you can't help but lie and misrepresent in order to push your warped political agenda. So disappointing. I'd hoped this would all stop after the GE but it seems your mind is poisoned. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 13:16 - Feb 3 with 2064 views | hampstead_blue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 13:10 - Feb 3 by tractordownsouth |
It's not " as simple as that"...
That's been the problem with politics ever since the referendum. Black and white rubbish without any consideration for facts. |
I can't give a stone dead reference for.the quote.
I'm happy.its what he said.
We need to move away from black and white. He made that error.
We are getting an immigration policy made for us by us. That ought to fairly include the EU.
He chose to single them out in a discriminatoty manner, hence my post.
EU is the.same as the world now.
Why.are.thry different Keir? | |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The Sun smears have begun on 13:32 - Feb 3 with 2037 views | tractordownsouth |
| The Sun smears have begun on 13:13 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
We didn't have a referendum on freedom of movement, so he's not ignoring any referendum with his statement. Retaining freedom of movement was an option mooted before the referendum and remains an option for us should we so wish to pursue it.
Still even after the Tories won a dangerously large majority you can't help but lie and misrepresent in order to push your warped political agenda. So disappointing. I'd hoped this would all stop after the GE but it seems your mind is poisoned. |
I have a hunch those who say retaining free movement ignores the referendum would also go out of their way to say Brexit wasn’t just an anti immigration protest. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 13:32 - Feb 3 with 2036 views | itfcjoe |
| The Sun smears have begun on 11:53 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Well done to you and DK for turning somebody else thread into an ad hominem attack on me.
You talk about "my brand of politics" turning people off yet you were turned onto politics by a man who has lead his party into being the first since the BNP to be placed under a statutory investigation by the EHRC, has associated and supported all manner of terrorists such as the provisional IRA when they were blowing up innocent schoolkids outside of shopping centres, hung about with and supported some of the vilest antisemites, blood libellers and holocaust deniers, stayed silent as two of it's female Jewish MP's were driven out of the Labour party and apoinyed a team around him which are now being investigated for systematic bullying which lead to staffers considering taking their own lives.
So I won't take any lectures from you on my "brand of politics" thank you.
During the time I have been posting on Corbyn's role in enabling antisemitism in the Labour party and his support for terrorists, you have equally spent your time defending it and excusing it. So when we both look back on our time spent on here I wonder who will feel the most ashamed?
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What are blood libellers? Cheers |  |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 13:51 - Feb 3 with 2017 views | bazgammon |
| The Sun smears have begun on 10:25 - Feb 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Hampstead's not making stuff up again is he?
No wonder he down arrowed me. I'm anti-lies and smear while he revels in it. |
no, you are biased left wing and he is right wing. Just because you have differing views politically doesn't give you some moral high horse. Anti Lies v Smears, that is just your perception. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 14:04 - Feb 3 with 1998 views | Herbivore |
| The Sun smears have begun on 13:51 - Feb 3 by bazgammon |
no, you are biased left wing and he is right wing. Just because you have differing views politically doesn't give you some moral high horse. Anti Lies v Smears, that is just your perception. |
We know that Hampstead is frequently wilfully dishonest though. He's been at it again in this thread. It's not about left/right, it's about honesty. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 14:07 - Feb 3 with 1996 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 13:09 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
The quote was. "If I am pm I will bring back free movement for members of the EU".
Am in the gym so can't spend hours searching.
His statement ignored the referendum, as simple as that. |
Nope that i just another lie - do you ever stop ?
I have checked (and posted here) what he actually said.
As PM Starmer would be perfectly entitled to put before Parliament any legislation that would allow freedom of movement. That it would require Parliamentary approval disproves your lie about what he would do.
Parliament has the power to change any law, so it is certainly not bound by a previous advisory vote - something you clearly don't understand. A lack of understandiung that has underpinned much of what brexiteers claim. | | | |
| The Sun smears have begun on 14:14 - Feb 3 with 1989 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 13:51 - Feb 3 by bazgammon |
no, you are biased left wing and he is right wing. Just because you have differing views politically doesn't give you some moral high horse. Anti Lies v Smears, that is just your perception. |
It is not about any supposed 'moral high ground' it is about basing your argument on fact.
The brexit case has not been, hence the constant and proven accusations of lying by Johnson and others.
And your gripe at those who point out those lies does rather suggest where you are coming from. | | | |
| The Sun smears have begun on 15:07 - Feb 3 with 1964 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 11:53 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Well done to you and DK for turning somebody else thread into an ad hominem attack on me.
You talk about "my brand of politics" turning people off yet you were turned onto politics by a man who has lead his party into being the first since the BNP to be placed under a statutory investigation by the EHRC, has associated and supported all manner of terrorists such as the provisional IRA when they were blowing up innocent schoolkids outside of shopping centres, hung about with and supported some of the vilest antisemites, blood libellers and holocaust deniers, stayed silent as two of it's female Jewish MP's were driven out of the Labour party and apoinyed a team around him which are now being investigated for systematic bullying which lead to staffers considering taking their own lives.
So I won't take any lectures from you on my "brand of politics" thank you.
During the time I have been posting on Corbyn's role in enabling antisemitism in the Labour party and his support for terrorists, you have equally spent your time defending it and excusing it. So when we both look back on our time spent on here I wonder who will feel the most ashamed?
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Firstly, it's not an ad hominem attack. I'm not attacking any particular issue by attacking you personally, I'm only attacking your position with regards to politics generally.
Secondly, you've been hoisted by your own petard here by claiming I was turned onto politics by Corbyn when previously you've ridiculed me for being turned onto politics by Russell Brand. That was way before Corbyn came along.
Thirdly, I've stated it's not just about antisemitism. Your brand of gutter politics covers a wide range of topics.
You've had a bit of a mare here really and I certainly won't be ashamed of supporting someone who wanted the best for all versus the Tory agenda. I will NEVER be ashamed for being the opposite of that. |  |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 15:43 - Feb 3 with 1921 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Sun smears have begun on 11:53 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Well done to you and DK for turning somebody else thread into an ad hominem attack on me.
You talk about "my brand of politics" turning people off yet you were turned onto politics by a man who has lead his party into being the first since the BNP to be placed under a statutory investigation by the EHRC, has associated and supported all manner of terrorists such as the provisional IRA when they were blowing up innocent schoolkids outside of shopping centres, hung about with and supported some of the vilest antisemites, blood libellers and holocaust deniers, stayed silent as two of it's female Jewish MP's were driven out of the Labour party and apoinyed a team around him which are now being investigated for systematic bullying which lead to staffers considering taking their own lives.
So I won't take any lectures from you on my "brand of politics" thank you.
During the time I have been posting on Corbyn's role in enabling antisemitism in the Labour party and his support for terrorists, you have equally spent your time defending it and excusing it. So when we both look back on our time spent on here I wonder who will feel the most ashamed?
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Smeartastic.
Every time you post it shows how deeply embedded and invested you are in this game. Just like far too many of our politicians and media who have created this utterly pitiful political "debate".
Meanwhile I have no idea what any of you actually want for the country beyond glib soundbites. Try talking actual policy and real stuff for a week. |  |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 15:55 - Feb 3 with 1889 views | hampstead_blue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 11:58 - Feb 3 by GaryCooper |
Semantics, you know he wants and would bring back free movement.
Are you correct about anything, ever? |
Thank-you.
Some on here just have a 'hate, troll, and spread lies about' button. They will no doubt try and say it's us who don't share their same brand of politics.
They are shameful and rude.
Manners never hurt anybody. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The Sun smears have begun on 15:56 - Feb 3 with 1892 views | Herbivore |
| The Sun smears have begun on 15:55 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
Thank-you.
Some on here just have a 'hate, troll, and spread lies about' button. They will no doubt try and say it's us who don't share their same brand of politics.
They are shameful and rude.
Manners never hurt anybody. |
If you stop being dishonest, I'll stop calling you out for being dishonest. Deal? | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 15:58 - Feb 3 with 1892 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Sun smears have begun on 15:55 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
Thank-you.
Some on here just have a 'hate, troll, and spread lies about' button. They will no doubt try and say it's us who don't share their same brand of politics.
They are shameful and rude.
Manners never hurt anybody. |
Oh please.
You've been rubbish at this from the start and the innocent act wore thin months ago. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 16:00 - Feb 3 with 1877 views | hampstead_blue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 14:07 - Feb 3 by HARRY10 |
Nope that i just another lie - do you ever stop ?
I have checked (and posted here) what he actually said.
As PM Starmer would be perfectly entitled to put before Parliament any legislation that would allow freedom of movement. That it would require Parliamentary approval disproves your lie about what he would do.
Parliament has the power to change any law, so it is certainly not bound by a previous advisory vote - something you clearly don't understand. A lack of understandiung that has underpinned much of what brexiteers claim. |
Ok sweetcheeks.
Quit the constant accusations that I always lie.
I don't and simply do not agree with you.
Here is a link and quote.
Care to retract or happy to look rather rude and puerile?
The Shadow Brexit Secretary was then pressed by the Mirror on whether that meant he would reverse Boris Johnson’s plans to end EU free movement if Labour took office under his leadership.
Sir Keir said: "On freedom of movement, yes, of course: bring back (the old laws we had under the EU which were rejected in the referendum and supporter in the recent GE), argue for, challenge.”
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/109529/
Let's play 'spot the lie'.....I don't see one do you? | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The Sun smears have begun on 16:11 - Feb 3 with 1866 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 16:00 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
Ok sweetcheeks.
Quit the constant accusations that I always lie.
I don't and simply do not agree with you.
Here is a link and quote.
Care to retract or happy to look rather rude and puerile?
The Shadow Brexit Secretary was then pressed by the Mirror on whether that meant he would reverse Boris Johnson’s plans to end EU free movement if Labour took office under his leadership.
Sir Keir said: "On freedom of movement, yes, of course: bring back (the old laws we had under the EU which were rejected in the referendum and supporter in the recent GE), argue for, challenge.”
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/109529/
Let's play 'spot the lie'.....I don't see one do you? |
So you post up a 'quote' then triumphantly add a link......
....... that does not include that quote | | | |
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