| The Sun nonsense has begun 22:50 - Feb 2 with 14934 views | tractordownsouth |
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10873187/keir-starmer-earns-legal-advice-mp-pay/
It's hilarious how throughout every election, the right wing press falsely claims that Labour have a vendetta against the rich and people who work hard yet when Starmer earns good money for being a lawyer then that's awful too. I didn't see the outrage when George Osborne took a job at BlackRock, earning 600k for 2 days a week work...
The quote from Tory MP David Morris claiming this means Starmer is "out of touch" is ridiculous... the bloke is the son of a nurse and worked his way up, it's not as if he was born with a silver spoon. And meanwhile Morris' wiki page shows that he denies child poverty in his own constituency. Classy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Morris_(Conservative_politician)
Proves they'll dig up any old nonsense...
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| The Sun smears have begun on 16:24 - Feb 3 with 1808 views | Herbivore |
| The Sun smears have begun on 16:11 - Feb 3 by HARRY10 |
So you post up a 'quote' then triumphantly add a link......
....... that does not include that quote |
And he's added a bit in brackets in the quote that is his own skewed commentary rather than being something Starmer said or, indeed, something that is true. This is why he is accused of dishonesty. |  |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 16:27 - Feb 3 with 1806 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The Sun smears have begun on 09:05 - Feb 3 by StokieBlue |
Good to see you've taken on board my points from the other day...
"simple-minded"
"thickos"
You're not going to change the narrative of achieve any meaningful change in the way I am sure most of us want by continuing the daily insults. You're becoming part of the problem with this type of language. You are only going to entrench people further.
SB |
It’s quite something for someone to criticise someone for showing people contempt, whilst at the same time describing those same people as ‘thickos’...  |  |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 16:29 - Feb 3 with 1801 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 16:00 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
Ok sweetcheeks.
Quit the constant accusations that I always lie.
I don't and simply do not agree with you.
Here is a link and quote.
Care to retract or happy to look rather rude and puerile?
The Shadow Brexit Secretary was then pressed by the Mirror on whether that meant he would reverse Boris Johnson’s plans to end EU free movement if Labour took office under his leadership.
Sir Keir said: "On freedom of movement, yes, of course: bring back (the old laws we had under the EU which were rejected in the referendum and supporter in the recent GE), argue for, challenge.”
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/109529/
Let's play 'spot the lie'.....I don't see one do you? |
nope, just yet another
so why not post up a link to this 'quote'
"Sir Keir said: "On freedom of movement, yes, of course: bring back (the old laws we had under the EU which were rejected in the referendum and supporter in the recent GE), argue for, challenge.” " |  | | |
| The Sun nonsense has begun on 16:30 - Feb 3 with 1793 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The Sun in partisan reporting shock
Really though if this sort of thing is the best they can come up with then Starmer will be just fine if he gets the leadership job | |
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| The Sun nonsense has begun on 16:45 - Feb 3 with 1775 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Sun nonsense has begun on 16:30 - Feb 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The Sun in partisan reporting shock
Really though if this sort of thing is the best they can come up with then Starmer will be just fine if he gets the leadership job |
They're just warming up.
Starmer hasn't been as active as Corbyn in supporting those who are outside the narrative norms of the right-wing press. But if there's less to knit together to build their "no smoke without fire" accusation platform, you can bet they'll just get more creative and one-eyed.
Looks like they're going with the "dishonest/he's not a leftie just trying to pretend he is", which means they can use anything he actually says and does as evidence of that pretence. |  |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 16:56 - Feb 3 with 1753 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 16:27 - Feb 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
It’s quite something for someone to criticise someone for showing people contempt, whilst at the same time describing those same people as ‘thickos’... |
the difference being I am not a politician pretending that my previous comments were honest
I am quite happy to justify my use of such words
ones that I will happily use to describe the 'nutter with the knife' who was shot yeaterday as his reason for carrying such a despicable act was a 'belief' in some man hiding in the clouds, or whether he is supposed to be | | | |
| The Sun smears have begun on 17:04 - Feb 3 with 1732 views | hampstead_blue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 16:11 - Feb 3 by HARRY10 |
So you post up a 'quote' then triumphantly add a link......
....... that does not include that quote |
Let's play....Reading.
Here we go. Read the article. The Mirror asked him top clarify and he did stating.....
The Shadow Brexit Secretary was then pressed by the Mirror on whether that meant he would reverse Boris Johnson’s plans to end EU free movement if Labour took office under his leadership.
Sir Keir said: "On freedom of movement, yes, of course: bring back (the old laws we had under the EU which were rejected in the referendum and supporter in the recent GE), argue for, challenge.”
What next? Anything else? Cup of tea?
Maybe you and the others ought to slow down with your vile words and relax. You'll gain nothing but more hatred by carrying on like this.
We are just chatting. It's not WW3.... |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The Sun smears have begun on 17:24 - Feb 3 with 1726 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 17:04 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
Let's play....Reading.
Here we go. Read the article. The Mirror asked him top clarify and he did stating.....
The Shadow Brexit Secretary was then pressed by the Mirror on whether that meant he would reverse Boris Johnson’s plans to end EU free movement if Labour took office under his leadership.
Sir Keir said: "On freedom of movement, yes, of course: bring back (the old laws we had under the EU which were rejected in the referendum and supporter in the recent GE), argue for, challenge.”
What next? Anything else? Cup of tea?
Maybe you and the others ought to slow down with your vile words and relax. You'll gain nothing but more hatred by carrying on like this.
We are just chatting. It's not WW3.... |
That quote
"Sir Keir said: "On freedom of movement, yes, of course: bring back (the old laws we had under the EU which were rejected in the referendum and supporter in the recent GE), argue for, challenge.” "
is not in the link
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/109529/
you are lying | | | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 17:33 - Feb 3 with 1713 views | Herbivore |
| The Sun smears have begun on 17:04 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
Let's play....Reading.
Here we go. Read the article. The Mirror asked him top clarify and he did stating.....
The Shadow Brexit Secretary was then pressed by the Mirror on whether that meant he would reverse Boris Johnson’s plans to end EU free movement if Labour took office under his leadership.
Sir Keir said: "On freedom of movement, yes, of course: bring back (the old laws we had under the EU which were rejected in the referendum and supporter in the recent GE), argue for, challenge.”
What next? Anything else? Cup of tea?
Maybe you and the others ought to slow down with your vile words and relax. You'll gain nothing but more hatred by carrying on like this.
We are just chatting. It's not WW3.... |
So much dishonesty. You're literally adding something to his quote and claiming it is his quote. You're utterly dishonest. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 17:43 - Feb 3 with 1685 views | jaykay |
| The Sun smears have begun on 09:13 - Feb 3 by Darth_Koont |
And now a massive dollop of hypocrisy.
You're on fire! |
you could have joined the thread, with disguised whataboutery |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 17:52 - Feb 3 with 1676 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Sun smears have begun on 17:43 - Feb 3 by jaykay |
you could have joined the thread, with disguised whataboutery |
Haha! Indeed. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 18:17 - Feb 3 with 1644 views | hampstead_blue |
Oh no it's not
Oh yes it is...
Read the link cup cake. The part in parenthesis is the context of the statement.
What shall we play next?
You and the Herbivile really ought to calm down. With Labour in the gutter for the next many years you'll have a heart attack with all this stress you pile upon yourself.
Read it and then call me a liar when I am clearly not. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The Sun smears have begun on 18:18 - Feb 3 with 1643 views | hampstead_blue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 17:33 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
So much dishonesty. You're literally adding something to his quote and claiming it is his quote. You're utterly dishonest. |
it's called context darling. Happens all the time. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The Sun smears have begun on 18:23 - Feb 3 with 1644 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:18 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
it's called context darling. Happens all the time. |
no. it's called lying
something you have been caught out doing yet again
for all the forum to see | | | |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:25 - Feb 3 with 1642 views | Herbivore |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:18 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
it's called context darling. Happens all the time. |
It's not context though, is it? We didn't have a referendum on freedom of movement. One of the options pre-referendum was a Norway style deal that includes freedom of movement. We could still have freedom of movement now. You saying he is going against the referendum is yet another example of you being deliberately dishonest. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 18:30 - Feb 3 with 1638 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:18 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
it's called context darling. Happens all the time. |
But you've made up the context.
Freedom of movement isn't part of the referendum but the parliament and EU/UK negotiations. It's like me saying that I want the "unfettered trade" and the brighter future that was voted for in the referendum and not delivering it will therefore be BoJo rejecting the will of the people. Especially if I edit a quote of his so he says that.
You've quite literally put your own spin on Starmer's quote. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 18:35 - Feb 3 with 1631 views | Herbivore |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:30 - Feb 3 by Darth_Koont |
But you've made up the context.
Freedom of movement isn't part of the referendum but the parliament and EU/UK negotiations. It's like me saying that I want the "unfettered trade" and the brighter future that was voted for in the referendum and not delivering it will therefore be BoJo rejecting the will of the people. Especially if I edit a quote of his so he says that.
You've quite literally put your own spin on Starmer's quote. |
We were promised frictionless trade and now we're being told that ain't happening. THAT is going against the referendum far more than seeking reciprocal free movement whilst outside the EU. Nobody was saying we'd lose frictionless trade during the campaign. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 18:40 - Feb 3 with 1622 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:35 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
We were promised frictionless trade and now we're being told that ain't happening. THAT is going against the referendum far more than seeking reciprocal free movement whilst outside the EU. Nobody was saying we'd lose frictionless trade during the campaign. |
actually it is not soin - it is a blatant lie
as what he claims is a quote
'Sir Keir said: "On freedom of movement, yes, of course: bring back (the old laws we had under the EU which were rejected in the referendum and supporter in the recent GE), argue for, challenge.”
is actually a fabrication of his, and NOT the words of Starmer
in any court that is perjury | | | |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:52 - Feb 3 with 1602 views | HARRY10 |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:35 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
We were promised frictionless trade and now we're being told that ain't happening. THAT is going against the referendum far more than seeking reciprocal free movement whilst outside the EU. Nobody was saying we'd lose frictionless trade during the campaign. |
In fact the brext liars were saying the exact opposite
1. The exact same benefits as we get from EU membership
“The idea that our trade will suffer…is silly” —
Vote Leave, What Happens When We Vote Leave
“After we Vote Leave, British businesses will trade freely with the EU.” — Vote Leave, June 2016
“Our trade will almost certainly continue with the EU on similar to current circumstances…The reality is that the hard-headed, pragmatic businessmen on the continent will do everything to ensure that trade with Britain continues uninterrupted.” —
David Davis, 26 May 2016|
“What we have come up with […] is the idea of a comprehensive free trade agreement and a comprehensive customs agreement that will deliver the exact same benefits as we have.” —
David Davis, 24 January 2017
“It will be a different relationship, but I think it can have the same benefits in terms of that free access to trade” —
Theresa May, 29 March 2017 | | | |
| The Sun smears have begun on 19:00 - Feb 3 with 1587 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:35 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
We were promised frictionless trade and now we're being told that ain't happening. THAT is going against the referendum far more than seeking reciprocal free movement whilst outside the EU. Nobody was saying we'd lose frictionless trade during the campaign. |
True but in this country opposition leaders are held to a higher standard than our feckless populist campaigners and sitting government. They're actively encouraged to lie and even have their verbatim quotes ignored.
Black is white is the new black. Winning politics is just about lying these days but unfortunately only a right-wing party can get away with that in a predominantly right-wing environment. Even what the left says will be lied about. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 19:40 - Feb 3 with 1561 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 13:16 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
I can't give a stone dead reference for.the quote.
I'm happy.its what he said.
We need to move away from black and white. He made that error.
We are getting an immigration policy made for us by us. That ought to fairly include the EU.
He chose to single them out in a discriminatoty manner, hence my post.
EU is the.same as the world now.
Why.are.thry different Keir? |
Seriously hamsters, you've been caught out lying on here so many times I'm amazed you still have the nerve to post, let alone expect anyone to believe your nonsense. |  |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 19:55 - Feb 3 with 1546 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:18 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
it's called context darling. Happens all the time. |
Context isn't context if you make it up. I don't think you're a troll, I think you're just stupid, but Phil will ban you soon if you keep lying. | |
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| The Sun smears have begun on 21:35 - Feb 3 with 1496 views | eireblue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 08:12 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Because it’s a Tory supporting newspaper? I’m sure the Guardian ran similar stories re Johnson’s outside income when he was running for Tory leader. Although you are right if memory serves, the amounts were far higher.
But we need to get away from using the word “smear”. It’s a negative story based on fact. A smear is an attempt to “damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander”. |
Definition of the first word in the article:
Exceedingly eager for material gain; avaricious.
Eager to gain possession of something; covetous; rapacious; avaricious; exacting; miserly.
It was a smear. |  | | |
| The Sun smears have begun on 21:42 - Feb 3 with 1486 views | eireblue |
| The Sun smears have begun on 18:17 - Feb 3 by hampstead_blue |
Oh no it's not
Oh yes it is...
Read the link cup cake. The part in parenthesis is the context of the statement.
What shall we play next?
You and the Herbivile really ought to calm down. With Labour in the gutter for the next many years you'll have a heart attack with all this stress you pile upon yourself.
Read it and then call me a liar when I am clearly not. |
“What shall we play next?”
Learning how to quote?
By the way, if the UK Parliament chooses to implement freedom of movement, then that is an example of getting exactly what was promised by the Brexiters, “Taking back control”.
Switzerland, oft hailed by Brexiters, is not in the EU, but is in the Schengen Area.
Fancy that. | | | |
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