| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? 09:20 - Feb 27 with 15265 views | HARRY10 |
Should the government issue guidelines, even a timetable of the level of panic required ?
The Daily Mail has jumped the gun already with warnings that not only could concerns about the virus cause cancer, but far worse could lead to a fall in house prices.
It may have been ok for previous generations to have a few 'Keep calm and carry on posters', or handwritten signs next to bombed shops saying 'business as usual' but this is the 21st century.
Is it safe to eat pot noodles, or rice ?
Should the channel tunnel be closed to stop infectious germs blowing through
Leyton Orient ? Should the ground now be closed ?
This was all predicted by Nostradamus who wrote'
a pestilence shall appear
terror shall strike the land of Albion
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:18 - Feb 27 with 2799 views | DebsyAngel |
I am absolutely TERRIFIED I will get this. Got enough health problems and have been for a year today and unable to get rid of whatever I got a year ago. Doctors have given up on me, I am treated like a hypocondriac despite breathing problems, a heart condition and underactive thyroid. I had the flu jab in October, but caught something else a month ago which has made me even more weak. The prednisolone I have taken the last 5 days (today is the last day) has made it even worse. Have tried everything else, nasal rinses etc. and it's getting to the point I will just end up a prisoner inside my own home. I am sick of people laughing about it and saying it's all OTT panic. Rising cases EVERY day say otherwise. Why the hell was this thing not stopped in its tracks when first discovered? |  | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:18 - Feb 27 with 2793 views | footers |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:12 - Feb 27 by SouperJim |
Are you for real? You posted a Simpsons clip earlier. |
The Simpsons has much wisdom to offer. [Post edited 27 Feb 2020 14:19]
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:34 - Feb 27 with 2781 views | NotSure |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 10:11 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
You are of course correct we are not at that stage yet but as a civilisation we need to be diligent. Currently seasonal flu is clearly a bigger killer but the whole point of trying to stop Covid19 now is that if we don't it's another virus out there, possibly permanently given it's ability to mutate and that is essentially like adding another flu to the current status quo.
The concentration point is interesting but likely to become less common going forward, it seems to have escaped the nets laid out for it and cases could go up exponentially. Not all countries will do what China did and many will lie (Iran for instance).
A few other points:
- it's got a higher r0 than influenza (~1.3 whereas Covid19 is between 1.5 and 3.5)
- it's got a higher mortality rate than seasonal flu hence if it does get established, when that is added to the higher r0 infection rate it could be pretty bad. Even a small mortality rate is bad if there are huge numbers of infections.
- hopefully Iran are lying about the number of cases they have as the current number of deaths there implies a mortality rate of ~15% which is massively higher than what it was in China and would be extremely bad.
You are totally correct we aren't anywhere near 1918 at the moment and likely won't be.
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Absolutely, there's a documentary on iplayer about the Spanish Flu. Didn't kill many to start with until it mutated. And anyone who had the milder version was immune from the killer version.
Therefore, as long as we don't have chest / heart problems, we should all be currently trying to catch Covid-19. |  | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:54 - Feb 27 with 2758 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:34 - Feb 27 by NotSure |
Absolutely, there's a documentary on iplayer about the Spanish Flu. Didn't kill many to start with until it mutated. And anyone who had the milder version was immune from the killer version.
Therefore, as long as we don't have chest / heart problems, we should all be currently trying to catch Covid-19. |
That might not guarantee immunity. China are saying that 14% of people in one area who have caught it and recovered have caught it again and Japan have said it's happening there too.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:54 - Feb 27 with 2757 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:12 - Feb 27 by SouperJim |
Are you for real? You posted a Simpsons clip earlier. |
Along with many posts with information and that was a specific reply to a specific poster.
What's your contribution to the debate? Nothing above defending a poster who tried to use a serious subject to push a Brexit narrative.
Very poor form.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:06 - Feb 27 with 2741 views | SouperJim |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:54 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
Along with many posts with information and that was a specific reply to a specific poster.
What's your contribution to the debate? Nothing above defending a poster who tried to use a serious subject to push a Brexit narrative.
Very poor form.
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It looked to me like he was making a jovial comment, like many others have done in this thread. You criticised him for a "rubbish post on a serious subject" yet are guilty of doing exactly the same.
My contribution to the debate is pointing out you're coming off a bit hypercritical. |  |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:09 - Feb 27 with 2727 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:06 - Feb 27 by SouperJim |
It looked to me like he was making a jovial comment, like many others have done in this thread. You criticised him for a "rubbish post on a serious subject" yet are guilty of doing exactly the same.
My contribution to the debate is pointing out you're coming off a bit hypercritical. |
He's done it on many threads so I would say your hypothesis doesn't really hold. It's a narrative he pushes rather than a jovial comment (which is actually what the Simpsons clips were).
If you think one post to a specific poster outweighs all the factual information I've posted and is thus hypocritical then there really isn't much I can do. I'd say it's a fairly odd position though to weight one post against the others in such a way.
You've certainly not added to the debate though.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:15 - Feb 27 with 2717 views | SouperJim |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:09 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
He's done it on many threads so I would say your hypothesis doesn't really hold. It's a narrative he pushes rather than a jovial comment (which is actually what the Simpsons clips were).
If you think one post to a specific poster outweighs all the factual information I've posted and is thus hypocritical then there really isn't much I can do. I'd say it's a fairly odd position though to weight one post against the others in such a way.
You've certainly not added to the debate though.
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Footers makes a jokey post, you upvote and respond in kind.
Someone else does the same, you downvote and go all keyboard warrior.
You appear to think the quality of your contribution to the debate gives you the right to be unkind to others. And I'm the one with poor form for pointing it out?
The toxic vendettas across threads on here makes TWTD a much poorer place. Maybe reflect on your own actions rather than now have a pop at me. In short, have a day off. | |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:19 - Feb 27 with 2706 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:15 - Feb 27 by SouperJim |
Footers makes a jokey post, you upvote and respond in kind.
Someone else does the same, you downvote and go all keyboard warrior.
You appear to think the quality of your contribution to the debate gives you the right to be unkind to others. And I'm the one with poor form for pointing it out?
The toxic vendettas across threads on here makes TWTD a much poorer place. Maybe reflect on your own actions rather than now have a pop at me. In short, have a day off. |
This is very odd.
You say toxic vendettas across TWTD makes it a poorer place yet you are posting to support someone who was implementing such a vendetta against someone telling him to stop it. It wasn't unkind, it was doing exactly what you are saying should be done.
Bizarre.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:23 - Feb 27 with 2693 views | footers |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:20 - Feb 27 by SouperJim |
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Think you've got the wrong end of the stick here, buh. And Stokie's about as far from a troll or keyboard warrior as you could get!
Play nicely. | |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:24 - Feb 27 with 2686 views | SouperJim |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:23 - Feb 27 by footers |
Think you've got the wrong end of the stick here, buh. And Stokie's about as far from a troll or keyboard warrior as you could get!
Play nicely. |
You misunderstand me, as does he, it's not Stokie I'm calling a troll. I'm saying stop perpetuating the cycle by jumping on someone for a fairly innocuous post which is better off ignored. | |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:29 - Feb 27 with 2672 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:24 - Feb 27 by SouperJim |
You misunderstand me, as does he, it's not Stokie I'm calling a troll. I'm saying stop perpetuating the cycle by jumping on someone for a fairly innocuous post which is better off ignored. |
Fair enough, perhaps I should have ignored the post but I was annoyed at someone making petty Brexit related points based on a long-running vendetta on what should be a thread which people might want to read without it being derailed.
"Are you for real? You posted a Simpsons clip earlier."
I still don't see how your original post to me was in any way saying what you are saying now though. Happy to leave it there.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:35 - Feb 27 with 2662 views | SouperJim |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:29 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
Fair enough, perhaps I should have ignored the post but I was annoyed at someone making petty Brexit related points based on a long-running vendetta on what should be a thread which people might want to read without it being derailed.
"Are you for real? You posted a Simpsons clip earlier."
I still don't see how your original post to me was in any way saying what you are saying now though. Happy to leave it there.
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I was attempting to point out that you're unlikely to gain the upper hand by criticising someone for something which arguably you yourself had done in the same thread, within the boundaries of your response as posted.
At what point does someone who keeps feeding the troll become as culpable as the troll themselves? It's all negativity. | |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:54 - Feb 27 with 2647 views | jaykay |
just a side note, is ebola contained now. how was this virus spread is it in the same way as coronavirus ? |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:57 - Feb 27 with 2642 views | giant_stow |
Not that I'm keen on this pandemic malarky, but might there be a silver lining in the football season getting cancelled? |  |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:07 - Feb 27 with 2632 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 15:23 - Feb 27 by footers |
Think you've got the wrong end of the stick here, buh. And Stokie's about as far from a troll or keyboard warrior as you could get!
Play nicely. |
It's the supposedly respectable ones you have to watch though...
Anyway, back on topic - I hope the board's beardies are making sure they're anti-coronavirus compliant:
https://news.sky.com/story/cdc-which-facial-hair-styles-are-best-for-preventing- |  |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:12 - Feb 27 with 2630 views | WeWereZombies |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 14:18 - Feb 27 by DebsyAngel |
I am absolutely TERRIFIED I will get this. Got enough health problems and have been for a year today and unable to get rid of whatever I got a year ago. Doctors have given up on me, I am treated like a hypocondriac despite breathing problems, a heart condition and underactive thyroid. I had the flu jab in October, but caught something else a month ago which has made me even more weak. The prednisolone I have taken the last 5 days (today is the last day) has made it even worse. Have tried everything else, nasal rinses etc. and it's getting to the point I will just end up a prisoner inside my own home. I am sick of people laughing about it and saying it's all OTT panic. Rising cases EVERY day say otherwise. Why the hell was this thing not stopped in its tracks when first discovered? |
OK, first the bad news - you cannot stop something in its tracks if you do not have a cure for it. A lot has been done to contain the outbreak, not everything that can possibly have been done but a great deal of what could feasibly have been done.
I can see that for your set of conditions there is especial concern, the breathing and heart condition are two of the things flagged up as making you more vulnerable than most. Thyroid problems are also worrying as the endocrine system is like the conductor in an orchestra.
And it is easy to say 'don't get stressed', much easier than actually getting stressed. But I have found from a handful of health challenges I have had over the last five years that taking things easy and giving your body a chance to recover is a remarkable way of getting better. It does sound like a few of the people around you are not helping, maybe use them as something to kick against (not literally, just as Aunt Sallys to knock down in your mind whenever they pop up). Concentrate on eating as well as you can and taking exercise - but not so much that you wear yourself down. |  |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:22 - Feb 27 with 2603 views | HARRY10 |
it is a little known fact that if all the people in China were to jump off a chair at the same time it would shift the earth's balance
thankfully there is not a chair big enough | | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:25 - Feb 27 with 2596 views | footers |
If you've got a beard you deserve all you get I'm afraid. | |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:27 - Feb 27 with 2593 views | WeWereZombies |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:22 - Feb 27 by HARRY10 |
it is a little known fact that if all the people in China were to jump off a chair at the same time it would shift the earth's balance
thankfully there is not a chair big enough |
As with half of what you post, this is a complete fallacy:
https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-185189,00.html
And to address your original post, at the risk of sounding like Clive Dunn from 'Dad's Army', it is never time to panic. | |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:35 - Feb 27 with 2568 views | bluelagos |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 09:26 - Feb 27 by Pecker |
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In the past week, I have been screened 3 times at airports in Nigeria. Each time they do a temperature test on everyone coming off a plane. Am guessing the incubation period will mean this means some people come through undetected.
But they are trying, which given how close people live to each other, is pretty sensible imho.
Are we screening incoming passengers for fever ? |  |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:41 - Feb 27 with 2561 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:35 - Feb 27 by bluelagos |
In the past week, I have been screened 3 times at airports in Nigeria. Each time they do a temperature test on everyone coming off a plane. Am guessing the incubation period will mean this means some people come through undetected.
But they are trying, which given how close people live to each other, is pretty sensible imho.
Are we screening incoming passengers for fever ? |
There is still some debate about the incubation period, it's at least 14 days but could be as much as 28 days. If it's 28 we are screwed given everything has been based around 14 and people are contagious during that period.
Good to see Nigeria taking it seriously, if it gets a foothold in Africa it could be really bad given the difference in funds and facilities in general across the continent.
Didn't see any screenings (although would have thought this could be somewhat automated via body temps) but they were given Gatwick a good clean.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:57 - Feb 27 with 2548 views | HARRY10 |
"I'm not sure what would happen if the entire world jumped, however if all the residents of China jumped in unison, the effect would be to force the world completely off its 'axis'. This would be due, not to the effect of their landings but to the effect of so much force pushing against gravity at once.
Jo, Glasgow UK
but it must be
someone on the wireless was taling about a panic demic | | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 18:04 - Feb 27 with 2530 views | bluelagos |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 16:41 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
There is still some debate about the incubation period, it's at least 14 days but could be as much as 28 days. If it's 28 we are screwed given everything has been based around 14 and people are contagious during that period.
Good to see Nigeria taking it seriously, if it gets a foothold in Africa it could be really bad given the difference in funds and facilities in general across the continent.
Didn't see any screenings (although would have thought this could be somewhat automated via body temps) but they were given Gatwick a good clean.
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A very short visit for me, but,from what ive seen they are indeed trying. One thing they have is experience of Ebola where they managed to contain the outbreak here a few years back. Fingers crossed. | |
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