| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? 09:20 - Feb 27 with 15264 views | HARRY10 |
Should the government issue guidelines, even a timetable of the level of panic required ?
The Daily Mail has jumped the gun already with warnings that not only could concerns about the virus cause cancer, but far worse could lead to a fall in house prices.
It may have been ok for previous generations to have a few 'Keep calm and carry on posters', or handwritten signs next to bombed shops saying 'business as usual' but this is the 21st century.
Is it safe to eat pot noodles, or rice ?
Should the channel tunnel be closed to stop infectious germs blowing through
Leyton Orient ? Should the ground now be closed ?
This was all predicted by Nostradamus who wrote'
a pestilence shall appear
terror shall strike the land of Albion
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 18:29 - Feb 27 with 2403 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 18:04 - Feb 27 by bluelagos |
A very short visit for me, but,from what ive seen they are indeed trying. One thing they have is experience of Ebola where they managed to contain the outbreak here a few years back. Fingers crossed. |
Yep, Ebola was contained but it's not really a "successful" virus as it is too efficient and kills the host before it can be easily passed on.
This is much harder to isolate but also much less deadly but as you say they are trying which is excellent. Fingers crossed as you say.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 21:11 - Feb 27 with 2370 views | BlueBadger |
At this point in time, there are more deaths in this country associated with Love Island than there are Coronavirus. |  |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 22:48 - Feb 27 with 2325 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 21:11 - Feb 27 by BlueBadger |
At this point in time, there are more deaths in this country associated with Love Island than there are Coronavirus. |
Whilst you are correct I don't understand why you repeatedly downplay the issues given your vocation.
Everything at the moment is based on the potential that can happen, surely it's right to discuss that?
Just seen that currently California alone has 8400 under observation but only 200 testing kits apparently. The real figures are not really known.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 23:05 - Feb 27 with 2315 views | HARRY10 |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 22:48 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
Whilst you are correct I don't understand why you repeatedly downplay the issues given your vocation.
Everything at the moment is based on the potential that can happen, surely it's right to discuss that?
Just seen that currently California alone has 8400 under observation but only 200 testing kits apparently. The real figures are not really known.
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Are they issuing' coronavirus - they need to stop od that is the case
As to California it brings the thread back to it;s actual point
Chinatown in LA has been a 'ghost town' since this problem emerged.
Demonstrating my point about the sheer stupidity and panic this has caused among the ignorant. And it is worth highlighting, if only as 'satire' because if this is the level of idiotic behaviour what would happen if we started to see deaths in the UK ? | | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 23:11 - Feb 27 with 2309 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 23:05 - Feb 27 by HARRY10 |
Are they issuing' coronavirus - they need to stop od that is the case
As to California it brings the thread back to it;s actual point
Chinatown in LA has been a 'ghost town' since this problem emerged.
Demonstrating my point about the sheer stupidity and panic this has caused among the ignorant. And it is worth highlighting, if only as 'satire' because if this is the level of idiotic behaviour what would happen if we started to see deaths in the UK ? |
You do like insulting people don't you? Barely a post goes by where you don't call someone you feel superior to an idiot or stupid.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 23:31 - Feb 27 with 2292 views | HARRY10 |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 23:11 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
You do like insulting people don't you? Barely a post goes by where you don't call someone you feel superior to an idiot or stupid.
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As I neither called or referred to you as either do not let that stop you from expressing upset on other's behalf.
Those who I did direct those words to were faitly described in my opinion.
Boycotting Chinatown in LA, attacking people of 'oriental' descent in the UK and adding to a climaye of panic speaks of both ignorance of this matter, and stupidity in their reaction.
That you and one or two others did not see the what was being addressed in the OP suggests you were more interested in pontificating on another matter rather than keeping to the subject
So don't get all arsey if you choose to deviate from what was said. | | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 00:45 - Feb 28 with 2265 views | Ryorry |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 22:48 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
Whilst you are correct I don't understand why you repeatedly downplay the issues given your vocation.
Everything at the moment is based on the potential that can happen, surely it's right to discuss that?
Just seen that currently California alone has 8400 under observation but only 200 testing kits apparently. The real figures are not really known.
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A bit of lighthearted gallows humour often helps offset stress & keep people going, esp if they work in high-pressure serious environments like Badger's. It's not a requirement in UK law to be 100% serious 100% of the time after all. |  |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 01:37 - Feb 28 with 2250 views | Doctor_Earman |
As a doctor I can confirm that the coronavirus is a sign of the end times. | | | |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 04:14 - Feb 28 with 2235 views | jeera |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 12:27 - Feb 27 by BrianTablet |
I'm sure viruses don't go 'ignored' but scientists work on creating vaccines.
It's the bizarre panicking that I can't understand.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-51653834
What do you suggest to stop it? Everyone stay at home?
The only advice seems to be to wash your hands a lot. |
I haven't witnessed any panicking first hand myself, but for people to take some sensible measures to help aid containment is to be encouraged, not mocked.
Still, according to Trump, it will all blow over, "just like a miracle", so maybe he's right and there's no need for any concern.
Those who die meanwhile are mere collateral damage so it's best to just accept there'll be fatalities and therefore pointless to try to keep those numbers down.
As for people washing their hands more -it's sound advice. Nothing wrong with that. [Post edited 28 Feb 2020 4:20]
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 05:07 - Feb 28 with 2218 views | bluelagos |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 18:29 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
Yep, Ebola was contained but it's not really a "successful" virus as it is too efficient and kills the host before it can be easily passed on.
This is much harder to isolate but also much less deadly but as you say they are trying which is excellent. Fingers crossed as you say.
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First confirmed case in Lagos just reported :-( |  |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 07:21 - Feb 28 with 2159 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 05:07 - Feb 28 by bluelagos |
First confirmed case in Lagos just reported :-( |
Just seen that :(.
Looks like it could be pilgrims coming from Iran and spreading it. 49 countries confirmed now but that basically means it'll get everywhere.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 07:40 - Feb 28 with 2139 views | BloomBlue |
And from reports last night it seems North Korea after discovering their first case have found a unique method to contain it - they shot the individual |  | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 07:51 - Feb 28 with 2132 views | hampstead_blue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 10:11 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
You are of course correct we are not at that stage yet but as a civilisation we need to be diligent. Currently seasonal flu is clearly a bigger killer but the whole point of trying to stop Covid19 now is that if we don't it's another virus out there, possibly permanently given it's ability to mutate and that is essentially like adding another flu to the current status quo.
The concentration point is interesting but likely to become less common going forward, it seems to have escaped the nets laid out for it and cases could go up exponentially. Not all countries will do what China did and many will lie (Iran for instance).
A few other points:
- it's got a higher r0 than influenza (~1.3 whereas Covid19 is between 1.5 and 3.5)
- it's got a higher mortality rate than seasonal flu hence if it does get established, when that is added to the higher r0 infection rate it could be pretty bad. Even a small mortality rate is bad if there are huge numbers of infections.
- hopefully Iran are lying about the number of cases they have as the current number of deaths there implies a mortality rate of ~15% which is massively higher than what it was in China and would be extremely bad.
You are totally correct we aren't anywhere near 1918 at the moment and likely won't be.
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A very senior investor, former head of Pictet, was on R4 a short while ago. He feels the markets will take a decent amount of time to recover. A U shape recovery rather than a faster bounce.
We've already heard from people in the automotive industry about strong fears for sharp slow downs.
I've cancelled a holiday next month.
I really do believe this will have a serious and growing impact over the next few months.
12 months for a vaccine I think.
Even the small things we can do will only work if a huge population all follow them. I hope they do. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 08:19 - Feb 28 with 2092 views | HARRY10 |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 00:45 - Feb 28 by Ryorry |
A bit of lighthearted gallows humour often helps offset stress & keep people going, esp if they work in high-pressure serious environments like Badger's. It's not a requirement in UK law to be 100% serious 100% of the time after all. |
It has become the same as the Brass Eye episode on paedophilia whetre the highlight and mocking of the media and so called experts was deflected into being a mocking of concerns over paredophilia.
The humour here is mocking shyterages like the Mail who endlessly squeak about people for being 'snowflakes' yet have been running story after story telling it's readers how worried they should be.
"The Daily Mail also suggests the health service is bracing for "virus mayhem".
The humour is also directed at the stupid reaction of the ignorant. We scoffed at the supposed attacks on German suasage dogs in WWI yet here we haveabuse directed at, and physical attacks on, 'oriental' looking people. Corona beer reporting a drop in sales with Chinatown in LA reporting a similar full in numbers.
Stockpile goods, wear a mask or evn hide under the bed. They are not what I am mocking. It is the absurdity in wondering if rice is safe to eat, chinese restuarants are ok or if cricketers should stop bowling a 'slow chinaman'
So I will continue with mocking of those parts of the media who bleat about the supposed bulldog spiriit of our isles, show posters of 'Keep calm and carry on' yet now fill their pages with unbridled hysteria. | | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 08:51 - Feb 28 with 2070 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 07:51 - Feb 28 by hampstead_blue |
A very senior investor, former head of Pictet, was on R4 a short while ago. He feels the markets will take a decent amount of time to recover. A U shape recovery rather than a faster bounce.
We've already heard from people in the automotive industry about strong fears for sharp slow downs.
I've cancelled a holiday next month.
I really do believe this will have a serious and growing impact over the next few months.
12 months for a vaccine I think.
Even the small things we can do will only work if a huge population all follow them. I hope they do. |
Off to Miami in just over three weeks for a music themed cruise, Flower Power, the cruise company are keeping us fully informed as to action they are taking.
Currently anyone who has been to any of the main infected areas within 15 days of embarkation date will not be allowed to board. Anyone who been to a country where there has been a significant outbreak, Italy for example, will be screened before being allowed to board. Screening involved checking temperature and oxygen levels in the blood and if you don’t meet their criteria you don’t get on board.
The problem with cruise ships, especially this type of active cruise, is that with 2,000+ passengers and 1,000 crew in confined spaces anything is likely to spread. Especially, from past experience, the level of personal hygiene displayed by a significant minority falls short.
Friends on a similar cruise that ended last weekend, same ship, have reported that several hundred , passengers and crew, went down with flu like symptoms.
We went on same cruise last year and the group chat pages, week after cruise, were full of people sayin* they were unwell on return home.
My attitude is if you catch something you catch something but it is unlikely to be coronavirus.
The only fear I have is that there will be a major outbreak in London resulting in it being impossible to board the ship if travelled via London airport. |  |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 08:55 - Feb 28 with 2060 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 08:19 - Feb 28 by HARRY10 |
It has become the same as the Brass Eye episode on paedophilia whetre the highlight and mocking of the media and so called experts was deflected into being a mocking of concerns over paredophilia.
The humour here is mocking shyterages like the Mail who endlessly squeak about people for being 'snowflakes' yet have been running story after story telling it's readers how worried they should be.
"The Daily Mail also suggests the health service is bracing for "virus mayhem".
The humour is also directed at the stupid reaction of the ignorant. We scoffed at the supposed attacks on German suasage dogs in WWI yet here we haveabuse directed at, and physical attacks on, 'oriental' looking people. Corona beer reporting a drop in sales with Chinatown in LA reporting a similar full in numbers.
Stockpile goods, wear a mask or evn hide under the bed. They are not what I am mocking. It is the absurdity in wondering if rice is safe to eat, chinese restuarants are ok or if cricketers should stop bowling a 'slow chinaman'
So I will continue with mocking of those parts of the media who bleat about the supposed bulldog spiriit of our isles, show posters of 'Keep calm and carry on' yet now fill their pages with unbridled hysteria. |
Didn’t mean to give you an upvote, why would anybody. | |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 09:27 - Feb 28 with 2040 views | BloomBlue |
Although doesnt it take something like 12 months to complete all testing before most countries will approve usage? | | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 09:33 - Feb 28 with 2032 views | StokieBlue |
Most experts are saying it will be at least a year to get through testing and mass production so the current stuff needs to continue as a stop-gap.
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 09:37 - Feb 28 with 2019 views | HARRY10 |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 08:55 - Feb 28 by Pinewoodblue |
Didn’t mean to give you an upvote, why would anybody. |
yes, someone pointing out the hypocrisy of the Mail is nit the done thing, old boy | | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 09:40 - Feb 28 with 2012 views | No9 |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 08:51 - Feb 28 by Pinewoodblue |
Off to Miami in just over three weeks for a music themed cruise, Flower Power, the cruise company are keeping us fully informed as to action they are taking.
Currently anyone who has been to any of the main infected areas within 15 days of embarkation date will not be allowed to board. Anyone who been to a country where there has been a significant outbreak, Italy for example, will be screened before being allowed to board. Screening involved checking temperature and oxygen levels in the blood and if you don’t meet their criteria you don’t get on board.
The problem with cruise ships, especially this type of active cruise, is that with 2,000+ passengers and 1,000 crew in confined spaces anything is likely to spread. Especially, from past experience, the level of personal hygiene displayed by a significant minority falls short.
Friends on a similar cruise that ended last weekend, same ship, have reported that several hundred , passengers and crew, went down with flu like symptoms.
We went on same cruise last year and the group chat pages, week after cruise, were full of people sayin* they were unwell on return home.
My attitude is if you catch something you catch something but it is unlikely to be coronavirus.
The only fear I have is that there will be a major outbreak in London resulting in it being impossible to board the ship if travelled via London airport. |
The problem with cruise ships is that the owner / operators do not allow sufficient time for the vessel to be adequately sanitised.
An out break of any infection on any vessel results in major works to ensure it is free for the potential to pass on infections.
P&O learned this in the 60's when they had considerable difficulties in ridding their vessels of the bugs making passengers sick. | | | |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 10:06 - Feb 28 with 2002 views | WeWereZombies |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 09:40 - Feb 28 by No9 |
The problem with cruise ships is that the owner / operators do not allow sufficient time for the vessel to be adequately sanitised.
An out break of any infection on any vessel results in major works to ensure it is free for the potential to pass on infections.
P&O learned this in the 60's when they had considerable difficulties in ridding their vessels of the bugs making passengers sick. |
Good point about this not being a new thing:
https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/468440.html details the SS Oronsay having a typhoid outbreak in 1970
David Bowie, famous for his fear of flying as well as his music, nevertheless sailed on this ship from San Francisco to Yokohama three years later. I am contemplating a short cruise on a 530 berth Hurtigruten next month - who do I follow, the Daily Mail or Bowie? [Post edited 28 Feb 2020 10:10]
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 10:24 - Feb 28 with 1983 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 09:40 - Feb 28 by No9 |
The problem with cruise ships is that the owner / operators do not allow sufficient time for the vessel to be adequately sanitised.
An out break of any infection on any vessel results in major works to ensure it is free for the potential to pass on infections.
P&O learned this in the 60's when they had considerable difficulties in ridding their vessels of the bugs making passengers sick. |
The biggest problem is that from one cruise to the next the crew remains the same, nothing you can do about it.
Still the chances of anyone being on board who has coronavirus is remote. Expect to pick up something, either on the cruise or on flights. Aircraft are just as bad especially if you on them for 8-9 hours.
Will avoid self service areas in the cafe, that’s about it. There to enjoy the music, probably not even go ashore when we are in port. Always a good number of Brits performing. This year Hollies, Zombies, Peter Noone and Peter Asher. Very few passengers from these shores, 99% Americans. | |
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| Coronavirus - is it time to panic ? on 11:37 - Feb 28 with 1950 views | jeera |
Chatting to the lass in the local shop last night and she was saying the general feel at her college is that it's just "a bad cold".
Those words.
She seemed completely unaware of the speed at which it seems to be spreading and how contagious it is.
I know she's only 18 but you'd think one of her crowd might pipe up and suggest it's a bit more than the sniffles. [Post edited 28 Feb 2020 11:54]
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