| Will it be today then? 08:04 - Mar 2 with 21653 views | Bluefish |
Any later and it isn't worth it, it is debatable as to whether it is already too late. It should have been done after Lincoln.
If however the replacement is a progressive opposed to a quick fix appointment, it can be done anytime |  |
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| Will it be today then? on 11:55 - Mar 3 with 1670 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 11:50 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
No hindsight required. After the loss to Millwall on New Year's Day I don't think anyone genuinely believed we could stay up. Do you really think that if we'd signed a couple of League 1 players on permanent deals that peoe would have been up in arms and asking why we didn't gamble on Colin Quaner? I can't see it, Dollers. |
Not Quaner per se, but there would've been uproar if he hadn't at least given it a go. |  |
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| Will it be today then? on 11:57 - Mar 3 with 1665 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 11:51 - Mar 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
In which case you surely have to acknowledge that the aim was to stay up, the signings were made in an attempt to stay up and therefore he failed?
Miserably |
Well last time I looked we were in League 1, so yes he failed to keep us up. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 11:57 - Mar 3 with 1660 views | Herbivore |
| Will it be today then? on 11:55 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Not Quaner per se, but there would've been uproar if he hadn't at least given it a go. |
Did his signings represent giving it a go moreso than signing a couple of League 1 players on permanent deals would have done? I am not at all convinced. There should have been some long term planning, he'd told us all how much he hated loanees and then we ended up with about six of them. |  |
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| Will it be today then? on 11:59 - Mar 3 with 1655 views | PJH |
| Will it be today then? on 11:53 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
No I don't think we were relegated in October, but I do agree that it was a very tough ask. Lambert's not blameless, but most of the blame for our relegation lies at Hurst's door. Quite obviously. |
I agree that it was a very tough task, probably tougher than getting us back up this season, but certainly doable.
I also agree that most of the blame lies with Hurst but PL failed to keep us up last season and is on the brink of failing to do what I believe is a simpler task this season so I do not agree with your earlier suggestion that (if he fails) he should be given more time. |  | | |
| Will it be today then? on 11:59 - Mar 3 with 1653 views | Herbivore |
| Will it be today then? on 11:51 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Healy does it all the time. Sees my name and goes on the attack. I'll point it out every time it happens and thus prove it's real. He's not interested in debating the issues, he just wants to get one over on me. |
He seems to be debating with you. Maybe he just disagrees with you? He often disagrees with me on politics but I don't see it as him having an issue with me. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:02 - Mar 3 with 1650 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 11:52 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
The problem is that many of our manages have been abject failures that aren't capable of building. Lambert was given a lot of good grace despite a pretty pitiful attempt at keeping us up last season. The issue has been that there has been no evidence at all this season that he's building anything or that he's remotely capable of doing a decent job either. Mick was allowed to rebuild and stayed for over 5 years because he was actually competent. It was only in the last 18 months that things started to go sour with the fans. |
I'm not sure who the answer is, but a long term build is required by someone (unless a rich oligarch comes riding to the rescue).
Mick didn't really rebuild, he was just better than most at scooping water out of a sinking boat. He kept us afloat with safety-first football, he didn't rebuild us. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:02 - Mar 3 with 1649 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Will it be today then? on 11:34 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
I didn't say it was all Keane's fault. Jesus, you are insufferable to have a debate with. |
You did actually - you said that was the only reason he was as bad as Keane. My point was that him being inept was a much bigger reason
I also don’t agree that Keane left a mess either - the squad left wasn’t dreadful. He was however terrible at managing said squad and responsible for wasting the early days of the Evans era when we actually had a decent shot of building something and going up |  |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:03 - Mar 3 with 1646 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 11:57 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
Did his signings represent giving it a go moreso than signing a couple of League 1 players on permanent deals would have done? I am not at all convinced. There should have been some long term planning, he'd told us all how much he hated loanees and then we ended up with about six of them. |
We'd already signed too many League 1 players, that was a large part of the problem. There would have been uproar if we'd signed more. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:04 - Mar 3 with 1640 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 11:59 - Mar 3 by PJH |
I agree that it was a very tough task, probably tougher than getting us back up this season, but certainly doable.
I also agree that most of the blame lies with Hurst but PL failed to keep us up last season and is on the brink of failing to do what I believe is a simpler task this season so I do not agree with your earlier suggestion that (if he fails) he should be given more time. |
Erm, where have I suggested if he fails he should be given more time? | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:05 - Mar 3 with 1635 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 11:59 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
He seems to be debating with you. Maybe he just disagrees with you? He often disagrees with me on politics but I don't see it as him having an issue with me. |
He disagrees with me on EVERYTHING. That's the difference. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:06 - Mar 3 with 1632 views | Herbivore |
| Will it be today then? on 12:02 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
I'm not sure who the answer is, but a long term build is required by someone (unless a rich oligarch comes riding to the rescue).
Mick didn't really rebuild, he was just better than most at scooping water out of a sinking boat. He kept us afloat with safety-first football, he didn't rebuild us. |
I'd say if you look at the number of kids that have come through the academy in the past 2-3 years compared with Mick's first couple of years here it would be fair to say he oversaw some rebuilding. The academy had been largely neglected for quite some time. He also brought in young coaches with links to ITFC, which we may see the benefit of in years to come. I don't think it's right to suggest that he spent 5 and a half years just fire fighting. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:06 - Mar 3 with 1631 views | Herbivore |
| Will it be today then? on 12:03 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
We'd already signed too many League 1 players, that was a large part of the problem. There would have been uproar if we'd signed more. |
I disagree. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:08 - Mar 3 with 1629 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 12:02 - Mar 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
You did actually - you said that was the only reason he was as bad as Keane. My point was that him being inept was a much bigger reason
I also don’t agree that Keane left a mess either - the squad left wasn’t dreadful. He was however terrible at managing said squad and responsible for wasting the early days of the Evans era when we actually had a decent shot of building something and going up |
You've just admitted I didn't say it was all Keane's fault right there! "you said that was the only reason he was as bad as Keane." AS BAD AS KEANE. He was still bad ...but he was AS BAD AS KEANE because he had the unfortunate task of following him.
In your desperation to beat me you've tied yourself up in knots. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:08 - Mar 3 with 1628 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Will it be today then? on 11:37 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Where have I disagreed with that?
I've said several times over the last couple of weeks that we need a rebuild, that Lambert looks like he isn't the man for the job, but whoever comes in won't find the fans patient enough for the long job at hand.
Once again you just see my name and want to pick a fight. |
Dolly weeks ago: Lambert is the man, you’re all wrong
Dolly 2 weeks ago: Apologies, you were right, it doesn’t look like he is the man
Dolly now: You’re all impatient
Or perhaps we just realised long ago that Lambert wasn’t implementing anything?
Exactly the same thing happened with Jewell IIRC | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:10 - Mar 3 with 1622 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Will it be today then? on 11:38 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
And just like Herbs, you don't go for the poster who originally said we've been cr@p for years, you go for me. Standard. |
I didn’t actually see that post, just yours as it was at the bottom of the thread, and r2d2 is an obvious troll anyway
The whole victim thing is really tiring though, I just disagree with you a lot as you’re clueless about football (and politics) IMO | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:13 - Mar 3 with 1615 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 12:08 - Mar 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Dolly weeks ago: Lambert is the man, you’re all wrong
Dolly 2 weeks ago: Apologies, you were right, it doesn’t look like he is the man
Dolly now: You’re all impatient
Or perhaps we just realised long ago that Lambert wasn’t implementing anything?
Exactly the same thing happened with Jewell IIRC |
Most are impatient, yes. But you've removed the context to try and score another internet point.
The context is our fanbase will be impatient with WHOEVER comes in. I've already agreed (several times) that Lambert doesn't look like the man for the job. That doesn't mean he's to blame for EVERYTHING though. There are a lot of reasons why we are where we are. It's not all black and white and firing the manager to replace him with some other chump isn't the panacea either. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:14 - Mar 3 with 1614 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Will it be today then? on 11:41 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
You and Healy are a couple of absolute loons. It's you doing the mental gymnastics to satisfy your Lambert hatred.
Yes it was a very hard job but yes he still had to try and do it. It's not a difficult concept. You've lost all rationality. You're almost becoming Blubfish. |
Lambert won 4 games out of 30-odd as we were relegated pathetically, and now has us 9th in the third division on a run of 4 wins in 20-odd. You don’t need to perform mental gymnastics to conclude that he’s doing cr*p
Trying to simultaneously argue that he had no chance of keeping us up, but then defending a plethora of short term signings that failed miserably on the other hand...
No real need for the abuse either, thanks | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:16 - Mar 3 with 1611 views | PJH |
| Will it be today then? on 12:04 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Erm, where have I suggested if he fails he should be given more time? |
I took your agreeing with a post a couple of hours ago that suggested he needed time to build his own squad meant that you thought he needed time to build his own squad. | | | |
| Will it be today then? on 12:36 - Mar 3 with 1587 views | Herbivore |
| Will it be today then? on 12:13 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Most are impatient, yes. But you've removed the context to try and score another internet point.
The context is our fanbase will be impatient with WHOEVER comes in. I've already agreed (several times) that Lambert doesn't look like the man for the job. That doesn't mean he's to blame for EVERYTHING though. There are a lot of reasons why we are where we are. It's not all black and white and firing the manager to replace him with some other chump isn't the panacea either. |
I'm not sure I agree, Dollers. If we brought in a young coach or a more progressive manager who laid their cards on the table and said they were going to focus on developing our young players and supplementing that with experienced pros in key areas I think people would accept that. If there was a clear ethos in the way we played and a sense of developing a clear style of play then I think many would accept that, even if results were hit and miss. What people won't accept is a manager picking up a fat wage for 18 months whilst never really settling on or developing a way of playing, not getting results, and not developing the youngsters either. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 12:41 - Mar 3 with 1576 views | footers |
Marvellous.
Play on.
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| Will it be today then? on 13:26 - Mar 3 with 1561 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 12:14 - Mar 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Lambert won 4 games out of 30-odd as we were relegated pathetically, and now has us 9th in the third division on a run of 4 wins in 20-odd. You don’t need to perform mental gymnastics to conclude that he’s doing cr*p
Trying to simultaneously argue that he had no chance of keeping us up, but then defending a plethora of short term signings that failed miserably on the other hand...
No real need for the abuse either, thanks |
There's every need when you misrepresent what I actually say time and time again. Again here, where have I argued he had no chance of keeping us up? | |
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| Will it be today then? on 13:28 - Mar 3 with 1559 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 12:16 - Mar 3 by PJH |
I took your agreeing with a post a couple of hours ago that suggested he needed time to build his own squad meant that you thought he needed time to build his own squad. |
I'll ask you again, where have I suggested if he fails he should be given more time? This is what you reckon I've suggested. Please link to where I've suggested this. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 13:32 - Mar 3 with 1553 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Will it be today then? on 12:36 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure I agree, Dollers. If we brought in a young coach or a more progressive manager who laid their cards on the table and said they were going to focus on developing our young players and supplementing that with experienced pros in key areas I think people would accept that. If there was a clear ethos in the way we played and a sense of developing a clear style of play then I think many would accept that, even if results were hit and miss. What people won't accept is a manager picking up a fat wage for 18 months whilst never really settling on or developing a way of playing, not getting results, and not developing the youngsters either. |
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'd be delighted with that even if results were initially poor. From what I've seen on here and at Portman Road, people would get very frustrated very quickly (and very vocally). The modern football fan doesn't have the patience for a slow rebuild. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 13:36 - Mar 3 with 1544 views | Herbivore |
| Will it be today then? on 13:32 - Mar 3 by BrixtonBlue |
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'd be delighted with that even if results were initially poor. From what I've seen on here and at Portman Road, people would get very frustrated very quickly (and very vocally). The modern football fan doesn't have the patience for a slow rebuild. |
I just don't agree, Dollers. Things have only really turned against Lambert in the past couple of months at PR and even then it's been relatively mild. He got unbelievable backing last season and for the first half of this season. And that's all despite no real evidence of building, no real clear ethos or way of playing, and no real sense of developing our young players for the future. I see no reason to think that a manager actually doing those things would not get backing from the fans. | |
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| Will it be today then? on 13:46 - Mar 3 with 1525 views | SouperJim |
| Will it be today then? on 09:47 - Mar 2 by londontractorboy57 |
The managerial merry go round what about the players ?
The manager doesn't make them miss open goals time after time or make mistakes like Garbutt did Saturday.
If we lose both games this week clear out all the deadwood and let's start with the youth and build a team it might take two seasons it will be worth it in the end. |
If the manager isn't responsible for what happens on the pitch, who is? You're always going to get individual errors, but the overall form of the team is quite clearly his responsibility.
So you're happy to stick with Lambert for next season? |  |
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