| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy 11:22 - Mar 10 with 12067 views | itfcjoe |
Like Chelsea seem to have done with Frank Lampard - are there any obvious names that stick out?
Dyer seems to be the one of that profile who wants the job, has he done his coaching badges? He'd presumably be paired up with a Nash (or previously Hogg) who both have had success in the academy and hold their Pro Licences.
There was talk in the Athletic article about almost a cartel of academy guys who run the club, is it to be assumed that these guys are in that - and if so should they be given their opportunity if running the club anyway?
It will be interesting times when Lambert does inevitably get the boot, but can't help but feel that Evans will go down the experienced manager to try and get us straight back up route. |  |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 14:31 - Mar 10 with 2919 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 14:04 - Mar 10 by Beckets |
Dyer would be a good choice for season ticket sales and probably relatively cheap so that should be enough for Evans. |
As much as people laugh, Jose Mourinho has won three Champions Leagues with three clubs and he was an interpreter!
Arsene Wenger was a footballing nobody and led 'The Invincibles' to one of many titles and trophies.
Lee Bowyer would make a shocking manager. As would Joey Barton. That's what most of us would probably have said a few years back.
The fact is nobody knows. Some great players have been poor managers and some have been great. Some of the greatest managers were nobody players.
At this point I'd rather go for someone like Dyer that at least understands the club and comes in with their eyes open to the problems than someone who has had success elsewhere like Keane, Hurst, Lambert or Jewell that won't translate to success here.
Personally I'd actually favour Kuqi over Dyer, Taricco even. All of them have coaching credentials and know the club and there's no reason for them to be any worse than Barton or Bowyer.
The fresh ideas of someone not trying to replicate success at other clubs years ago might be exactly what is needed, as may knowing the club and loving it - something that's not harmed Sheffield United or Villa. |  |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 14:39 - Mar 10 with 2893 views | reusersfreekicks |
Really don't get this cl;amber for ex players to get the job. How is that a qualification to get a job? |  | | |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 14:41 - Mar 10 with 2880 views | Herbivore |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 13:43 - Mar 10 by Johnny_Boy |
You also said Hurst was going to be a decent manager for us. |
I don't recall trying to predict the future. I thought he was the right choice at the time, as did plenty of people. I imagine you'd probably look to reinstate Jewell and get Paul Taylor in as player/coach. |  |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 14:45 - Mar 10 with 2875 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 14:39 - Mar 10 by reusersfreekicks |
Really don't get this cl;amber for ex players to get the job. How is that a qualification to get a job? |
It's not a qualification for the job.
But perhaps what we are missing is someone that actually gets the club.
Keane - promotion to the Premier League
Jewell - two promotions to the Premier League
McCarthy - two promotions to the Premier League
Hurst - promotions to League Two, League One and almost Championship
Lambert - promotions to Championship and Premier League.
How have they worked out? We've had old managers, young managers, we've had mild mannered ones, we've had 'winners', we've had sports science fans and we've had old school.
We've declined under all of them. Mick was the only one who took us forward, before taking us almost all the way backward.
So maybe it does need something different. What qualified Gerrard for Rangers or Lampard for Chelsea? | |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:15 - Mar 10 with 2823 views | PhilTWTD |
Think it's fair to say that rather exaggerated the power of the academy under Mick and think rather too much was made of the disharmony. Certainly, KD, GN and CH weren't part of an ITFC Deep State. I'm not sure it was as daggers drawn as suggested even if there were disagreements. Think there was a far greater schism when Paul Hurst took over.
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:17 - Mar 10 with 2805 views | Johnny_Boy |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 14:41 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
I don't recall trying to predict the future. I thought he was the right choice at the time, as did plenty of people. I imagine you'd probably look to reinstate Jewell and get Paul Taylor in as player/coach. |
...and yet they still wouldn’t have been as poor as Hurst. |  | | |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:18 - Mar 10 with 2808 views | Johnny_Boy |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 14:14 - Mar 10 by BlueBadger |
You still think that Jewell should be in a job... |
I’m enjoying watching your new Superfan role on TWTD now.
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:20 - Mar 10 with 2794 views | Herbivore |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:17 - Mar 10 by Johnny_Boy |
...and yet they still wouldn’t have been as poor as Hurst. |
I'm not sure what point you think you're making. You carried on backing a clearly hopeless manager. When it turned out Hurst was hopeless I called for him to be sacked. Nobody has a crystal ball but you can't even call the present or the past right, which is quite something. | |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:25 - Mar 10 with 2789 views | Johnny_Boy |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:20 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure what point you think you're making. You carried on backing a clearly hopeless manager. When it turned out Hurst was hopeless I called for him to be sacked. Nobody has a crystal ball but you can't even call the present or the past right, which is quite something. |
You overtly championed a manager, trashtalked anyone that happened to disagree with you & then quick as a flash called for his head when you saw how awful he was.
Yep. You are an excellent judge of character. Well done. Would you like two pats on your back? [Post edited 10 Mar 2020 15:29]
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:27 - Mar 10 with 2780 views | bazgammon |
Paul Mariner had a lot of success in the MLS with Steve Nicol at New England Revolution. He didnt keep Plymouth up when he had a spell back in Engalnd but I do remember him beating Roy Keane's Ipswich which was kind of funny when the away manager was more popular than the Ipswich one with the PR crowd. Martjin Reuser is having some success with the Dutch U19 national team, I'd like either to be consider for a coaching role, maybe with another a Manager? [Post edited 10 Mar 2020 15:30]
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:30 - Mar 10 with 2769 views | Herbivore |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:25 - Mar 10 by Johnny_Boy |
You overtly championed a manager, trashtalked anyone that happened to disagree with you & then quick as a flash called for his head when you saw how awful he was.
Yep. You are an excellent judge of character. Well done. Would you like two pats on your back? [Post edited 10 Mar 2020 15:29]
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Sorry, what point is it you're trying to make again? I didn't judge Hurst's character since I didn't know anything about his character. I went on his record and achievements, which suggested he was a good candidate. Many thought the same. It turns out he was out of his depth so I revised my opinion. That's all pretty straightforward really.
So remind me again, what was the point you were making? Or are you just being a bit of a plum? | |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:43 - Mar 10 with 2751 views | Johnny_Boy |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:30 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
Sorry, what point is it you're trying to make again? I didn't judge Hurst's character since I didn't know anything about his character. I went on his record and achievements, which suggested he was a good candidate. Many thought the same. It turns out he was out of his depth so I revised my opinion. That's all pretty straightforward really.
So remind me again, what was the point you were making? Or are you just being a bit of a plum? |
It’s good to know you still think you were right - even though you were completely wrong. | | | |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 16:00 - Mar 10 with 2725 views | BlueBadger |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:18 - Mar 10 by Johnny_Boy |
I’m enjoying watching your new Superfan role on TWTD now.
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pfft, you didn't need to be goes-to-all-the-games-and-buys-a-season-ticket-superfan to work out that Lambert is rubbish |  |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 16:03 - Mar 10 with 2724 views | BlueBadger |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:43 - Mar 10 by Johnny_Boy |
It’s good to know you still think you were right - even though you were completely wrong. |
It's almost like, with the benefit of more information, Herbers changed his mind rather than blindly sticking with 'his man' long past the point it was obvious he was rubbish. | |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 16:51 - Mar 10 with 2677 views | Herbivore |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:43 - Mar 10 by Johnny_Boy |
It’s good to know you still think you were right - even though you were completely wrong. |
Ah, so you're just being a bit of a plum then. Classic Jubbers. | |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:00 - Mar 10 with 2662 views | PhilTWTD |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 12:14 - Mar 10 by itfcjoe |
I think he has something about him in that regard, he speaks well about the game when given the opportunity and think he has the self confidence to do it.
What we need is someone who has good contacts, and is willing to look inside the academy too - plus looking to play a technical and watchable style of football. I think fans will accept the step back in club stature more if we are trying to do things the right way.
But, I can't imagine Evans would think that |
KD has very good contacts - look at where his old England team-mates are currently managers - and obviously coached most of the players currently coming through. Agree, would take an approach fans would get behind.
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:06 - Mar 10 with 2643 views | Herbivore |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:00 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
KD has very good contacts - look at where his old England team-mates are currently managers - and obviously coached most of the players currently coming through. Agree, would take an approach fans would get behind.
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Do you think there is any chance at all it could happen, Phil? | |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:08 - Mar 10 with 2649 views | PhilTWTD |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 12:12 - Mar 10 by itfcjoe |
I just can't see how he can stay, his record is so poor and he just hasn't progressed us on the pitch at all - guess we'll see but I'd be amazed |
I'm with you. As much as the club are absolutely adamant there is not going to be a change, if there's not a significant upturn very soon it's very difficult to see how the situation can be allowed to continue in the summer. | | | |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:10 - Mar 10 with 2639 views | PhilTWTD |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:06 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
Do you think there is any chance at all it could happen, Phil? |
I would guess he would be an outsider given his lack of experience but I think he is capable of selling himself and his ideas to ME in the manner Jim Magilton did with David Sheepshanks and especially Derek Bowden when he took over. Who would have said Jim was the favourite to be the next manager when Joe Royle left? | | | |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:13 - Mar 10 with 2633 views | PJH |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:08 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
I'm with you. As much as the club are absolutely adamant there is not going to be a change, if there's not a significant upturn very soon it's very difficult to see how the situation can be allowed to continue in the summer. |
It is sad because not only are we almost certain of at least one more season in the third tier but Paul Lambert seems to me to be a very likeable man.
Regrettably just being likeable does not necessarily mean that you are good at your job.
I do feel for him as a person though. |  | | |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:15 - Mar 10 with 2621 views | Herbivore |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:10 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
I would guess he would be an outsider given his lack of experience but I think he is capable of selling himself and his ideas to ME in the manner Jim Magilton did with David Sheepshanks and especially Derek Bowden when he took over. Who would have said Jim was the favourite to be the next manager when Joe Royle left? |
Fair point. I just wonder whether ME's model of getting experienced managers in who can basically run much of the club will work with someone like Dyer who doesn't really have the experience to do all that. It's why I wonder whether having an experienced head like Burley or similar to do some of the off field football stuff might work? O'Neil seems to be trusted but he's not really a DoF. | |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:16 - Mar 10 with 2619 views | Mullet |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 15:15 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
Think it's fair to say that rather exaggerated the power of the academy under Mick and think rather too much was made of the disharmony. Certainly, KD, GN and CH weren't part of an ITFC Deep State. I'm not sure it was as daggers drawn as suggested even if there were disagreements. Think there was a far greater schism when Paul Hurst took over.
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It made it feel like LON was some sort of Machievellian type who ousted MM to sit at Evans' right hand at the top of the sh1tpile we've become. As good as that Athletic article was in some respects, it didn't add up in one too many places for me.
On the subject of the OP I was just debating this with Snr on the drive home from work. I can see an ex-player being exactly who Evans goes for to take the heat off of him and distract the fanbase.
Has to be Reuser with Zondervan as chief scout. His mate could be in charge of bringing the programmes over from the Dutch printers innit. |  |
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:19 - Mar 10 with 2610 views | deano85 |
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PL was to go before the end of season, i could see Neil warnock taking over with Dyer as a no. 2... Till end of season
The idea being next season them maybe swapping roles, with Dyer managing and NW an experienced man behind him, having a gradual retirment...
Then id like to see someone like george burley gradually take over as a no. 2. or MAYBE a DOF and make chanbers a no. 2 (gets him off the pitch then if that floats your boat) | | | |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:33 - Mar 10 with 2586 views | Johnny_Boy |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 16:51 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
Ah, so you're just being a bit of a plum then. Classic Jubbers. |
Haven’t you got 100 posts to be downvoting or something?
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| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:38 - Mar 10 with 2574 views | Herbivore |
| If you were to go down the ex-player route, trying to link to the academy on 17:33 - Mar 10 by Johnny_Boy |
Haven’t you got 100 posts to be downvoting or something?
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You're just trolling, Jubbers. Really pathetic. | |
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