| Just seen pics of the underground this morning 07:58 - Mar 24 with 28952 views | noggin |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:37 - Mar 24 with 2665 views | Bluesquid |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:29 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
If you look at the actual statement by the government it was downgraded due to overall mortality rate but still requires special measures otherwise it would be upgraded again.
"The need to have a national, coordinated response remains, but this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response."
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-
SB [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 21:29]
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Much, much too early to make those assertions imo at this early stage and when so little is known about C-19 wouldn't you agree? |  | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:38 - Mar 24 with 2663 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:36 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley |
Thanks. SB beat you to it. He highlighted the most salient fact out of the whole statement, that being:
"If you look at the actual statement by the government it was downgraded due to overall mortality rate". |
Hang on - you can't grab a part of a response and put it in quotes without taking the whole thing.
That's massively bad form. There is a huge caveat to that sentence which you've left off.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:44 - Mar 24 with 2637 views | HurleyBurley |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:38 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
Hang on - you can't grab a part of a response and put it in quotes without taking the whole thing.
That's massively bad form. There is a huge caveat to that sentence which you've left off.
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Isn't the part of text I put in quotes the reason why the virus was down-graded?
If the caveat I left out was as "huge" as you suggest, would it not be imprudent for the virus to be downgraded at this time? |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:50 - Mar 24 with 2621 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:44 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley |
Isn't the part of text I put in quotes the reason why the virus was down-graded?
If the caveat I left out was as "huge" as you suggest, would it not be imprudent for the virus to be downgraded at this time? |
How can it be imprudent if the action is the caveat is being implemented?
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:52 - Mar 24 with 2618 views | HurleyBurley |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:36 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
Yes, it's good news.
Not entirely sure why you down-voted the post to be honest but each to their own.
However Bluesquid has spent days downplaying the issues and neglected to include the fact that a government response like the one we are currently having is a caveat to the downgrade. That is why I posted the link and the quote.
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It would appear Bluesquid's efforts to downplay the hype associated with Covid-19 have been vindicated by both Public Health England and the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:53 - Mar 24 with 2614 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:52 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley |
It would appear Bluesquid's efforts to downplay the hype associated with Covid-19 have been vindicated by both Public Health England and the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens. |
Great to see you back on the forum and working in tandem with the boards biggest narrative driven troll.
You've been missed.
If you perhaps read what's actually written and take it in you'll be an even more valuable member of the forum.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:56 - Mar 24 with 2607 views | HurleyBurley |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:50 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
How can it be imprudent if the action is the caveat is being implemented?
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Why is the action in the caveat being implemented after the downgrade? It seems like a mixed message to me or a case of too much too late. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:03 - Mar 24 with 2593 views | HurleyBurley |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 21:53 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
Great to see you back on the forum and working in tandem with the boards biggest narrative driven troll.
You've been missed.
If you perhaps read what's actually written and take it in you'll be an even more valuable member of the forum.
SB [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 21:54]
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I don't think accusations of trolling in Bluesquid's case are particularly fair. It would appear that both National Health England and the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens also see fit to downgrade the threat of the virus.
You on the other hand seem narrative driven to hype the threat of the virus to the fullest. [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 22:05]
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:05 - Mar 24 with 2588 views | Bluesquid |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:03 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley |
I don't think accusations of trolling in Bluesquid's case are particularly fair. It would appear that both National Health England and the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens also see fit to downgrade the threat of the virus.
You on the other hand seem narrative driven to hype the threat of the virus to the fullest. [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 22:05]
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Just observe, the great walk back will begin very, very soon! | | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:08 - Mar 24 with 2581 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:03 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley |
I don't think accusations of trolling in Bluesquid's case are particularly fair. It would appear that both National Health England and the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens also see fit to downgrade the threat of the virus.
You on the other hand seem narrative driven to hype the threat of the virus to the fullest. [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 22:05]
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So you've been back a few days, already you've pushed the conspiracy theory that it's all been blown out of proportion so that governments can increase their power and not give it back.
Meanwhile if you just watch the 10pm news:
- France running out of ICU beds
- Spain run out of ICU beds and gear for doctors
- In the US, New York alone needs 140,000 beds in the next two weeks
- In Italy 700+ people died just today
- Etc, Etc, Etc
My posts were clear, his was cherry picking. It's downgraded because the mortality is low and that's a register for high mortality diseases. However there was a massive caveat that the government response is definitely required to combat it because even it it's got low mortality it's very infectious and low mortality with a lot of cases is still a lot of deaths. It's actually far more deaths than a high mortality disease which is less infectious but you don't care about the actual facts.
You've totally ignored the complexity of that in order to push your agenda and cherry picked information to try and support it.
It's awful stuff and to be honest you should give a it rest.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:09 - Mar 24 with 2578 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:05 - Mar 24 by Bluesquid |
Just observe, the great walk back will begin very, very soon! |
You really are a tool - there was never a walk back as many posters pointed out to you the other day.
You seized on a pathetic semantic of the English language where I wasn't precise enough whilst ignoring the fact that your points were totally wrong.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:15 - Mar 24 with 2558 views | Bluesquid |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:09 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
You really are a tool - there was never a walk back as many posters pointed out to you the other day.
You seized on a pathetic semantic of the English language where I wasn't precise enough whilst ignoring the fact that your points were totally wrong.
SB [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 22:13]
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Yeah, i know, i know, i've heard it all before when you just can't cope.
Now, how are you getting on with this from about 30 mins ago?
"Much, much too early to make those assertions imo at this early stage and when so little is known about C-19 wouldn't you agree?" | | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:17 - Mar 24 with 2549 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:15 - Mar 24 by Bluesquid |
Yeah, i know, i know, i've heard it all before when you just can't cope.
Now, how are you getting on with this from about 30 mins ago?
"Much, much too early to make those assertions imo at this early stage and when so little is known about C-19 wouldn't you agree?" |
Yet you've made plenty of assertions that it's not that bad and that you are right to downplay it.
You don't actually address the points put to you. You've not addressed the ones in this thread either and you once again cherry picked whilst leaving out vital information.
I am not going to waste my time like the other night in the knowledge that you will ignore everything and keep pushing your narrative.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:18 - Mar 24 with 2545 views | jeera |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:03 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley |
I don't think accusations of trolling in Bluesquid's case are particularly fair. It would appear that both National Health England and the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens also see fit to downgrade the threat of the virus.
You on the other hand seem narrative driven to hype the threat of the virus to the fullest. [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 22:05]
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You live in France.
So why not concentrate on the things going on there, and maybe do without trying to stir for people who are facing their own crisis here on both a national and local level? |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:21 - Mar 24 with 2539 views | Bluesquid |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:17 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
Yet you've made plenty of assertions that it's not that bad and that you are right to downplay it.
You don't actually address the points put to you. You've not addressed the ones in this thread either and you once again cherry picked whilst leaving out vital information.
I am not going to waste my time like the other night in the knowledge that you will ignore everything and keep pushing your narrative.
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I ask you a very straightforward and simple question and your reply is -
"You don't actually address the points put to you."
Thanks for answering my question.
Case closed.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:22 - Mar 24 with 2533 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:21 - Mar 24 by Bluesquid |
I ask you a very straightforward and simple question and your reply is -
"You don't actually address the points put to you."
Thanks for answering my question.
Case closed.
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When you've responded to the multitude of points that you've ignored over the last few days and in this thread maybe I'll bother to respond to you.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:29 - Mar 24 with 2514 views | HurleyBurley |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:08 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
So you've been back a few days, already you've pushed the conspiracy theory that it's all been blown out of proportion so that governments can increase their power and not give it back.
Meanwhile if you just watch the 10pm news:
- France running out of ICU beds
- Spain run out of ICU beds and gear for doctors
- In the US, New York alone needs 140,000 beds in the next two weeks
- In Italy 700+ people died just today
- Etc, Etc, Etc
My posts were clear, his was cherry picking. It's downgraded because the mortality is low and that's a register for high mortality diseases. However there was a massive caveat that the government response is definitely required to combat it because even it it's got low mortality it's very infectious and low mortality with a lot of cases is still a lot of deaths. It's actually far more deaths than a high mortality disease which is less infectious but you don't care about the actual facts.
You've totally ignored the complexity of that in order to push your agenda and cherry picked information to try and support it.
It's awful stuff and to be honest you should give a it rest.
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I'm going to respectfully ask you to take a deep breath and calm down. We should be celebrating the fact that these expert medical bodies have downgraded the severity of this virus .
"already you've pushed the conspiracy theory that it's all been blown out of proportion so that governments can increase their power and not give it back."
Good lord, what are you like? That's a case of 2+2=22 if ever I saw one. Astonishing.
I appreciate your efforts to dig out those stats but it doesn't follow that COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK if the consequences are so horrific, as you illustrate.
I apologise for "cherry picking" the information which happens to be the reason for the downgrade of the virus. More rational types would call it "summarising". | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:31 - Mar 24 with 2502 views | HurleyBurley |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:09 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
You really are a tool - there was never a walk back as many posters pointed out to you the other day.
You seized on a pathetic semantic of the English language where I wasn't precise enough whilst ignoring the fact that your points were totally wrong.
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Please refrain from the name calling, it's really unnecessary and just comes across as bullying. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:33 - Mar 24 with 2493 views | Bluesquid |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:22 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
When you've responded to the multitude of points that you've ignored over the last few days and in this thread maybe I'll bother to respond to you.
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I have responded to all but you just didn't like the responses and then it's the old fingers in the ears and on and on you go with your accusations.
Just like the other day when you attempted to write off years of football, music and others post i've made as rubbish. Just insane really.
Now everyone can see that several years of posts on football, music and other stuff is not rubbish but you didn't like the response you got from me so you then attempt to write it all off as rubbish simply because you did not like and could not handle the reply.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:35 - Mar 24 with 2492 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:29 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley |
I'm going to respectfully ask you to take a deep breath and calm down. We should be celebrating the fact that these expert medical bodies have downgraded the severity of this virus .
"already you've pushed the conspiracy theory that it's all been blown out of proportion so that governments can increase their power and not give it back."
Good lord, what are you like? That's a case of 2+2=22 if ever I saw one. Astonishing.
I appreciate your efforts to dig out those stats but it doesn't follow that COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK if the consequences are so horrific, as you illustrate.
I apologise for "cherry picking" the information which happens to be the reason for the downgrade of the virus. More rational types would call it "summarising". |
I can't be bothered with the rest of it because you are still cherry picking but I am not going to be called a liar:
"Good lord, what are you like? That's a case of 2+2=22 if ever I saw one. Astonishing."
Is this even possible? by HurleyBurley 24 Mar 2020 20:48I still like his quote and think it's applicable in the current context. In my 60 years I never remember a government increasing freedoms. As far as I'm concerned the damage this is doing to society long term will dwarf the number of deaths. I get that this is an unpopular view but I see the culture of where I live being shredded before my very eyes and I'm scared of expressions like "the new normal".
The implication of that is clear to anyone reading it, especially the last line.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:35 - Mar 24 with 2492 views | HurleyBurley |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:18 - Mar 24 by jeera |
You live in France.
So why not concentrate on the things going on there, and maybe do without trying to stir for people who are facing their own crisis here on both a national and local level? |
Medical experts in the UK see fit to downgrade the severity of the virus in the UK. We have the same virus in France. Viruses don't respect national boundaries.
Is that not a fair comment? | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:37 - Mar 24 with 2480 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:33 - Mar 24 by Bluesquid |
I have responded to all but you just didn't like the responses and then it's the old fingers in the ears and on and on you go with your accusations.
Just like the other day when you attempted to write off years of football, music and others post i've made as rubbish. Just insane really.
Now everyone can see that several years of posts on football, music and other stuff is not rubbish but you didn't like the response you got from me so you then attempt to write it all off as rubbish simply because you did not like and could not handle the reply.
Just embarrassing really. |
Yep, it's only me. Nobody else has ever said that about you.
You didn't respond to it all, stop lying.
I agree, you're embarrassing yourself daily.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:42 - Mar 24 with 2470 views | HurleyBurley |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:35 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
I can't be bothered with the rest of it because you are still cherry picking but I am not going to be called a liar:
"Good lord, what are you like? That's a case of 2+2=22 if ever I saw one. Astonishing."
Is this even possible? by HurleyBurley 24 Mar 2020 20:48I still like his quote and think it's applicable in the current context. In my 60 years I never remember a government increasing freedoms. As far as I'm concerned the damage this is doing to society long term will dwarf the number of deaths. I get that this is an unpopular view but I see the culture of where I live being shredded before my very eyes and I'm scared of expressions like "the new normal".
The implication of that is clear to anyone reading it, especially the last line.
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Creating alternate realities is not at all helpful.
Please stop it. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:47 - Mar 24 with 2456 views | StokieBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:42 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley |
Creating alternate realities is not at all helpful.
Please stop it. |
Hilarious.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:52 - Mar 24 with 2451 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:35 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley |
Medical experts in the UK see fit to downgrade the severity of the virus in the UK. We have the same virus in France. Viruses don't respect national boundaries.
Is that not a fair comment? |
But its not really a dangerous one, is it? Just being hyped up by governments around the world to enforce draconian powers and limit the common persons freedom. Another attack on sovereignty. Don't know what all the fuss is about.
The world needs to man up. |  | | |
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