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Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:37 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue
Yep, it's only me. Nobody else has ever said that about you.
You didn't respond to it all, stop lying.
I agree, you're embarrassing yourself daily.
SB
It's all there, anyone can go and read those threads.
See? You didn't like the response and then it's the old fingers in the ears trick and on and on it goes.
Your comment to me about my several years of posting about football, music and other stuff of just being rubbish, i really still cannot fathom out how you were actually able to make such an unhinged, loco and bonkers comment.
Just Mind boggling stuff really and it's a great example of how you operate.
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Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 23:09 - Mar 24 with 4370 views
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 22:52 - Mar 24 by Eireannach_gorm
But its not really a dangerous one, is it? Just being hyped up by governments around the world to enforce draconian powers and limit the common persons freedom. Another attack on sovereignty. Don't know what all the fuss is about.
The world needs to man up.
"As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK."
I would have thought trashing whole economies and have people remained cooped up in their homes is high consequence, wouldn't you?
So that means the medical experts are dangerously underplaying the severity of the disease or governments are overreacting by trashing their economies and spreading fear.
One of those bodies seems to have got it wrong, yet people on this forum are suggesting I'm irresponsible in some way. When normal everyday folk start attacking each other and not those responsible for mixed/conflicting messages, we as a people have lost the plot.
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:15 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue
There was nothing ambiguous about last nights message - there are no excuses about the government not being clear this morning and no real stick to beat them anymore in this case.
People are just acting like idiots and assuming it's someone else problem. This is not a UK centric problem. Up to 40% of people were defying the ban in Lombardy until the army were sent in about 3 days ago. The Italians only closed all non-essential businesses a couple of days ago as well.
SB
And for many of the working class who are exploited risking the loss of their jobs if they don’t go to work, what do they do? Plenty of them on the bread line in London who won’t be protected by government / insurance cover...
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 23:09 - Mar 24 by HurleyBurley
"As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK."
I would have thought trashing whole economies and have people remained cooped up in their homes is high consequence, wouldn't you?
So that means the medical experts are dangerously underplaying the severity of the disease or governments are overreacting by trashing their economies and spreading fear.
One of those bodies seems to have got it wrong, yet people on this forum are suggesting I'm irresponsible in some way. When normal everyday folk start attacking each other and not those responsible for mixed/conflicting messages, we as a people have lost the plot.
This is the health HCID group definition of HCID
In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:
acute infectious disease. typically has a high case-fatality rate. may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment. often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly. ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings. requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely.
The only box that Covid19 does not appear to tick is high death rate ( jury still out on that ). Seems a little early to make this judgement call. I see SARS is still classified as a HCID and it killed less people.
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Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 23:41 - Mar 24 with 4324 views
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 18:14 - Mar 24 by Clapham_Junction
There have been a bunch of people playing football in the (locked) courts opposite my flat for about an hour. What can you do about idiocy like this?
See also the couple on Tyne-Tees TV who yesterday (Tues) were ambling about not observing the 2m space because, apparently, they never watch TV or radio, hadn't noticed the empty streets, were unaware of Covid_19 or that there was any kind of crisis going on, and were out doing inessential shopping because "well, it's just normal isn't it?"
There really is no legislating for utter stupidity and/or selfishness.
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 08:29 - Mar 25 by BrixtonBlue
Indeed. You seem to be on it yourself with Hurleyburley and Bluesquid.
Well I'd say it's slightly different.
They are continually downplaying the serious issues facing the world at the moment with false equivalences and claims about government plots to remove freedoms long-term.
If someone actually listened to them and ignored the advice it could be dangerous to themselves and others.
Hope WFH and social-distancing is treating you well.
SB
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Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 08:49 - Mar 25 with 4178 views
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 20:53 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue
Yeah, and I've proved (by showing what he actually said versus what you thought could be interpreted) that it was indeed clear.
I could link you to posts where I've attacked Boris, particularly over racism, so saying I have a soft spot for him is just silly and more desperate tactics from you.
But yeah, we're done. There's no need to get hung up on losing to me, it happens occasionally. Hope you have a lovely virus-free evening x
It's not about picking sides here, but I genuinely can't understand how any one could read this thread and/or see how the advice is being practically interpreted by people in different ways - and then argue that the comms around this were clear?
I'm putting my political leanings aside and hoping that this government do what needs to be done. I don't actually dispute too much of the approach so far, but the comms around it have been consistently "clarified" and then undermined by other ministers since the very start.
I also took it as key workers initially, and thought that was relatively "clear"
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 08:49 - Mar 25 by colchesterchris
It's not about picking sides here, but I genuinely can't understand how any one could read this thread and/or see how the advice is being practically interpreted by people in different ways - and then argue that the comms around this were clear?
I'm putting my political leanings aside and hoping that this government do what needs to be done. I don't actually dispute too much of the approach so far, but the comms around it have been consistently "clarified" and then undermined by other ministers since the very start.
I also took it as key workers initially, and thought that was relatively "clear"
And this is the point "absolutely necessary" in the context of the address being given seemed to suggest to many people that you should only go to work if your job is necessary for the effort to combat the virus or to keep society running during lockdown. It has since been clarified that "absolutely necessary" actually meant you can go to any job that can't be done at home where the business is still running. The thread on the night has most people interpreting it as you did as in the context of the address where he was announcing something close to a lockdown it made sense to think "absolutely necessary" was in relation to combating Covid-19 rather than absolutely necessary to individuals or their employers.
When I said at the time it wasn't clear a few people said it was, that he clearly meant key workers. Dollers says it's clear and that he meant anyone who can't work from home. That in itself proves that the message wasn't clear.
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:08 - Mar 25 by Herbivore
And this is the point "absolutely necessary" in the context of the address being given seemed to suggest to many people that you should only go to work if your job is necessary for the effort to combat the virus or to keep society running during lockdown. It has since been clarified that "absolutely necessary" actually meant you can go to any job that can't be done at home where the business is still running. The thread on the night has most people interpreting it as you did as in the context of the address where he was announcing something close to a lockdown it made sense to think "absolutely necessary" was in relation to combating Covid-19 rather than absolutely necessary to individuals or their employers.
When I said at the time it wasn't clear a few people said it was, that he clearly meant key workers. Dollers says it's clear and that he meant anyone who can't work from home. That in itself proves that the message wasn't clear.
The message has not been clear, I was in London on Monday, a major construction company building 1300 flats still had an operational site of 300 staff, the canteens were full of tables of four eating.
Meanwhile some are cowering in their homes scared to open the front door.
Mixed message stupidity.
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Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:18 - Mar 25 with 4104 views
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:08 - Mar 25 by Herbivore
And this is the point "absolutely necessary" in the context of the address being given seemed to suggest to many people that you should only go to work if your job is necessary for the effort to combat the virus or to keep society running during lockdown. It has since been clarified that "absolutely necessary" actually meant you can go to any job that can't be done at home where the business is still running. The thread on the night has most people interpreting it as you did as in the context of the address where he was announcing something close to a lockdown it made sense to think "absolutely necessary" was in relation to combating Covid-19 rather than absolutely necessary to individuals or their employers.
When I said at the time it wasn't clear a few people said it was, that he clearly meant key workers. Dollers says it's clear and that he meant anyone who can't work from home. That in itself proves that the message wasn't clear.
Agreed. Criticising the comms and the strategy can be done independently with each other, and I don't see the need to defend the comms out of loyalty to the strategy. Personally I'm not convinced by both.
The below is about as conclusive you can get that the comms were not clear at all. Spot the difference between the UK governments 9pm and 10pm advice after the PM's address Monday.
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:18 - Mar 25 by colchesterchris
Agreed. Criticising the comms and the strategy can be done independently with each other, and I don't see the need to defend the comms out of loyalty to the strategy. Personally I'm not convinced by both.
The below is about as conclusive you can get that the comms were not clear at all. Spot the difference between the UK governments 9pm and 10pm advice after the PM's address Monday.
Indeed. Sounds to me like they themselves weren't sure which way to go which is why the address was deliberately ambiguous. At some point they've then decided not to go with key workers only and to allow everyone that can't work from home to go to work, which seems at odds with the wider strategy of social distancing.
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 08:49 - Mar 25 by colchesterchris
It's not about picking sides here, but I genuinely can't understand how any one could read this thread and/or see how the advice is being practically interpreted by people in different ways - and then argue that the comms around this were clear?
I'm putting my political leanings aside and hoping that this government do what needs to be done. I don't actually dispute too much of the approach so far, but the comms around it have been consistently "clarified" and then undermined by other ministers since the very start.
I also took it as key workers initially, and thought that was relatively "clear"
I did actually think the speech itself was clear, and my understanding from it appears to be the correct one (ie. you can go to work if you can’t work from home), however clearly it wasn’t given the different interpretations. Other statements/advice published have been contradictory too
That said I do think some of the confusion came from people trying to interpret it in the way they wanted it to work rather than listening to what was actually said, and a general desire to criticise come what may
Highlighting crass stupidity since sometime around 2010
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:28 - Mar 25 by Herbivore
Indeed. Sounds to me like they themselves weren't sure which way to go which is why the address was deliberately ambiguous. At some point they've then decided not to go with key workers only and to allow everyone that can't work from home to go to work, which seems at odds with the wider strategy of social distancing.
The devil is in the detail in the current situation. Also, everyone has their own agenda - some may be in fear of not getting paid or losing their job if they don't go to work. If everyone applied more common sense, things would be better, but unfortunately there's always a substantial minority who do not.
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:54 - Mar 25 by Radlett_blue
The devil is in the detail in the current situation. Also, everyone has their own agenda - some may be in fear of not getting paid or losing their job if they don't go to work. If everyone applied more common sense, things would be better, but unfortunately there's always a substantial minority who do not.
It's not as straightforward as applying common sense though. Matt Hancock said yesterday that people who can't work from home should still go into work, even though common sense would tell you that getting on a packed bus or tube at the moment is a bad idea. The messaging around work has been a bit of a mess. A lot of people thought on Monday night that work was going to stay open for essential staff only, the government briefly put out advice to that effect, and then it's shifted to go to work if you can't work from home. There needs to be clarity at times like this.
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 08:32 - Mar 25 by StokieBlue
Well I'd say it's slightly different.
They are continually downplaying the serious issues facing the world at the moment with false equivalences and claims about government plots to remove freedoms long-term.
If someone actually listened to them and ignored the advice it could be dangerous to themselves and others.
Hope WFH and social-distancing is treating you well.
SB
I've not really read what they've said to be honest, in these last exchanges at least.
Yeah WFH is great so far. Very little work to do at the mo. Just caught up with a Creative Director and Planner over conference call and it was more like a friendly chat to see if we're alright. Then I had eggs royale and fresh orange juice in front of the patio doors which are open onto a glorious sunny day.
Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 08:49 - Mar 25 by colchesterchris
It's not about picking sides here, but I genuinely can't understand how any one could read this thread and/or see how the advice is being practically interpreted by people in different ways - and then argue that the comms around this were clear?
I'm putting my political leanings aside and hoping that this government do what needs to be done. I don't actually dispute too much of the approach so far, but the comms around it have been consistently "clarified" and then undermined by other ministers since the very start.
I also took it as key workers initially, and thought that was relatively "clear"
How much is Herbs paying you? I'll double it!
Why on earth would you think it's key workers if he didn't say key workers? Did you think it was knights in shining armour as well? He didn't say knights in shining armour but you know, that could've been what he meant.
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