| Just seen pics of the underground this morning 07:58 - Mar 24 with 29382 views | noggin |
Still passengers standing shoulder to shoulder. FFS. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:51 - Mar 24 with 3611 views | linhdi |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:22 - Mar 24 by tractorboy1978 |
I'd say that really isn't essential and I think the police are going to have far more pressing matters than checking for lapsed MOTs. |
A Police Commissioner on 5 Live last night confirmed that MoTs are not considered "essential". When he was then asked whether police would overlook lapsed MoTs during this period, he replied "That's a matter for the Chief Constable".
So, no guarantees. |  | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 12:04 - Mar 24 with 3583 views | giant_stow |
I doubt anyone's on there just for jollies.
Anyway, the tube drivers seem to have the hump over this (fair enough for a change) so they'll be striking soon enough. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 12:22 - Mar 24 with 3555 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:31 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
i think some people are being obtuse because they're anti government or anti Tory.
I've said my bit about the clarity. I'm going on what he's actually said and he hasn't said "only key workers." I don't have anything else to add. It's clear as day if you're not trying to look for ambiguity. |
So can you let me know which journeys to work are absolutely necessary and which aren't at this current time please? The posters who have interpreted it differently than you aren't remotely anti Tory or anti government either by the way and they also thought what was being said was clear whilst seeing it differently to you. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 12:33 - Mar 24 with 3545 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 12:22 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
So can you let me know which journeys to work are absolutely necessary and which aren't at this current time please? The posters who have interpreted it differently than you aren't remotely anti Tory or anti government either by the way and they also thought what was being said was clear whilst seeing it differently to you. |
Necessary is something that is necessary. It is impossible for government to advise you on what may be necessary to you and or your work. You are being asked to act like a responsible person under a liberal government. If people aren't capable of doing this (which may end up being the case) then ultimately we may end up with The Paras smashing you over the head with a rifle butt.
What would be public opinion if we had started from day 1 with being hit round the head with rifle butts? |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:06 - Mar 24 with 3523 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 12:33 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Necessary is something that is necessary. It is impossible for government to advise you on what may be necessary to you and or your work. You are being asked to act like a responsible person under a liberal government. If people aren't capable of doing this (which may end up being the case) then ultimately we may end up with The Paras smashing you over the head with a rifle butt.
What would be public opinion if we had started from day 1 with being hit round the head with rifle butts? |
Advising outright is exactly what the government need to do. For example, are you expecting construction sites to shut of their own will/volition? | | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:16 - Mar 24 with 3507 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 12:33 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Necessary is something that is necessary. It is impossible for government to advise you on what may be necessary to you and or your work. You are being asked to act like a responsible person under a liberal government. If people aren't capable of doing this (which may end up being the case) then ultimately we may end up with The Paras smashing you over the head with a rifle butt.
What would be public opinion if we had started from day 1 with being hit round the head with rifle butts? |
Everyone will consider their work necessary. I'm not sure that's what was intended. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:26 - Mar 24 with 3501 views | r2d2 |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:57 - Mar 24 by jaykay |
i thought you were going to get at least 75% of your wages. like my son said he wont have to fill his car to get to work. no pub to go to so he wont be much worse off |
Manufacturing is still possible Gove said, thats all my boss wants to hear. Thats enough to keep us here for him. |  | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:34 - Mar 24 with 3482 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:16 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
Everyone will consider their work necessary. I'm not sure that's what was intended. |
Personally I think some people lack moral fibre.
I don't have to come into contact with anyone when I go to work so I will go in for two days a week. If I had to go on public transport or had to come into contact with people then I wouldn't go.
If people are selfish or haven't the grey matter to rationalise things then we are in a sorry situation (and we very well may be in that sorry situation) but if you want a Nanny State, or indeed an authoritarian one then Boris isn't your man***
***I appreciate he isn't your man anyway, under any circumstances, but it was a figure of speech. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:42 - Mar 24 with 3475 views | vapour_trail |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:26 - Mar 24 by r2d2 |
Manufacturing is still possible Gove said, thats all my boss wants to hear. Thats enough to keep us here for him. |
Gove was all over the place this morning.
The government need to be crystal clear if they want to empty public transport. And they should close everything non essential. Why are construction sites and factories essential at this moment if they’re not contributing to the supply chain for beating this.
There still appears to be twin priorities of keeping as much of the economy moving as possible, and flattening the curve. They feel mutually exclusive. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:45 - Mar 24 with 3471 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 12:22 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
So can you let me know which journeys to work are absolutely necessary and which aren't at this current time please? The posters who have interpreted it differently than you aren't remotely anti Tory or anti government either by the way and they also thought what was being said was clear whilst seeing it differently to you. |
As I said, I've said my bit about the clarity. I've nothing more to add. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:49 - Mar 24 with 3461 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:16 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
Everyone will consider their work necessary. I'm not sure that's what was intended. |
Not their work but if their need to travel to the office to do their work - is necessary. Come on Herbs, this isn't difficult. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:55 - Mar 24 with 3443 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:49 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
Not their work but if their need to travel to the office to do their work - is necessary. Come on Herbs, this isn't difficult. |
Lots of people can't work from home, as evidenced by how packed the tube is. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:58 - Mar 24 with 3439 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:45 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
As I said, I've said my bit about the clarity. I've nothing more to add. |
Sure, because you don't want to engage. If two people are telling me something is clear whilst offering different definitions of that clear thing then it probably isn't as clear as you think. It's telling that you don't want to go into any detail about what constitutes absolutely necessary. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:00 - Mar 24 with 3431 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:55 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
Lots of people can't work from home, as evidenced by how packed the tube is. |
I know. What's your point, caller? | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:02 - Mar 24 with 3427 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:34 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Personally I think some people lack moral fibre.
I don't have to come into contact with anyone when I go to work so I will go in for two days a week. If I had to go on public transport or had to come into contact with people then I wouldn't go.
If people are selfish or haven't the grey matter to rationalise things then we are in a sorry situation (and we very well may be in that sorry situation) but if you want a Nanny State, or indeed an authoritarian one then Boris isn't your man***
***I appreciate he isn't your man anyway, under any circumstances, but it was a figure of speech. |
It's easy for you to criticise when you can do your job without coming into contact with anyone. Plenty of people can't work from home and need to earn to live. They will see their work as being essential and will carry on doing it for as long as they are able to. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:04 - Mar 24 with 3424 views | jeera |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:33 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
"and businesses - aside from shops, bars etc. - have not been told to shut down."
I see what you are saying, they haven't been clear about offices staying open etc. Although a lot of businesses would fall foul of the no groups of more than 2 people.
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I think it has to be taken into account that some firms may be pressuring staff and that it's not necessarily all workers have made a choice.
*This is has probably been said; I haven't really read through properly. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:06 - Mar 24 with 3419 views | jeera |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:02 - Mar 24 by StokieBlue |
Is that the case? I thought Khan had reduced the service anyway to try and stop demand - didn't think it was driver related at all.
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This is that what I read a day or two back too.
Makes no sense to put on fewer trains when people are suppose to be distancing.
It goes against everything people are being told. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:06 - Mar 24 with 3417 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:00 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
I know. What's your point, caller? |
That if his advice is meant to be that everyone that can't work from home can travel to go to work regardless of what their work is then social distancing is pretty much pointless, ergo I'm not sure that's what was intended. Perhaps if he'd been clear about what he meant there would be less confusion. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:11 - Mar 24 with 3402 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:04 - Mar 24 by jeera |
I think it has to be taken into account that some firms may be pressuring staff and that it's not necessarily all workers have made a choice.
*This is has probably been said; I haven't really read through properly. |
Yep, which is why there should be some clear guidance for employers. Some non-essential businesses just need to shut down at this point (not just in retail and hospitality) if we're serious about social distancing. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:13 - Mar 24 with 3401 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:34 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Personally I think some people lack moral fibre.
I don't have to come into contact with anyone when I go to work so I will go in for two days a week. If I had to go on public transport or had to come into contact with people then I wouldn't go.
If people are selfish or haven't the grey matter to rationalise things then we are in a sorry situation (and we very well may be in that sorry situation) but if you want a Nanny State, or indeed an authoritarian one then Boris isn't your man***
***I appreciate he isn't your man anyway, under any circumstances, but it was a figure of speech. |
That's undoubtedly true of some people but then there are others that want to make a living for as long as they are able to. At the moment self employed people will get £94 p/w - they have families to look after. | | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:14 - Mar 24 with 3395 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 13:58 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
Sure, because you don't want to engage. If two people are telling me something is clear whilst offering different definitions of that clear thing then it probably isn't as clear as you think. It's telling that you don't want to go into any detail about what constitutes absolutely necessary. |
I've already engaged. I've already given my take on it. Other than repeating myself I don't know what you want from me. I can't answer why some people aren't getting what is very straightforward advice. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:16 - Mar 24 with 3391 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:02 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
It's easy for you to criticise when you can do your job without coming into contact with anyone. Plenty of people can't work from home and need to earn to live. They will see their work as being essential and will carry on doing it for as long as they are able to. |
Again, it's not whether the work is essential or not, but whether doing it outside of the home is essential. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:19 - Mar 24 with 3379 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:16 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
Again, it's not whether the work is essential or not, but whether doing it outside of the home is essential. |
That's not how others have taken it. It's also not clear, listening to Michael Gove earlier and seeing some now removed advice that the Government put out last night, that your interpretation was what was intended. The messaging hasn't been clear. I'm not sure why you can't grasp that when multiple people say advice is clear whilst simultaneously offering different interpretations of said advice then by definition it isn't clear. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:19 - Mar 24 with 3380 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:06 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
That if his advice is meant to be that everyone that can't work from home can travel to go to work regardless of what their work is then social distancing is pretty much pointless, ergo I'm not sure that's what was intended. Perhaps if he'd been clear about what he meant there would be less confusion. |
I didn't say whether the advice was right or not, I just said it was pretty clear.
It certainly doesn't make social distancing pointless. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:21 - Mar 24 with 3377 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 14:13 - Mar 24 by tractorboy1978 |
That's undoubtedly true of some people but then there are others that want to make a living for as long as they are able to. At the moment self employed people will get £94 p/w - they have families to look after. |
Where does this £94 p/w figure come from? I got a lot more than that when I was on Universal Credit. | |
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