| Just seen pics of the underground this morning 07:58 - Mar 24 with 29378 views | noggin |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:51 - Mar 24 with 4520 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:42 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
He said unless an absolute necessity. Surely that means if you can work at home you should do, if you can't (say your job is digging holes) then you carry on as normal? I don't see what's vague about that.
People know, on an individual basis, if they're able to do their job at home or not. Some will take the piss but I think most are being sensible. Me and the missus can work at home so we both are. Hasn't even been a discussion. You can so you do. |
I think the vast majority of those that can work from home are doing so.
They haven't explicitly told construction sites to shut - a large number of those on the sites will be self employed and they've had no assurances yet over how they will be properly financially supported (although I suspect that is coming). The government needs to take decisive action and shut these today. |  | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:57 - Mar 24 with 4488 views | hampstead_blue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:15 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
It seems to me they're adding slightly tougher measures each day, and it's more about managing numptie people (easing them into it) than the virus itself. |
If they went full fat marshall law people would go mental.
We live in a society of consensus. The way they are approaching it is too encourage others by showing individual leadership.
I do hope the message gets through as I don't want the armed forces wasting their time by patrolling the streets. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:00 - Mar 24 with 4490 views | m14_blue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:57 - Mar 24 by hampstead_blue |
If they went full fat marshall law people would go mental.
We live in a society of consensus. The way they are approaching it is too encourage others by showing individual leadership.
I do hope the message gets through as I don't want the armed forces wasting their time by patrolling the streets. |
What else are they doing?
(Not that I want army on the streets either tbf) | | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:02 - Mar 24 with 4480 views | BloomBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:51 - Mar 24 by tractorboy1978 |
I think the vast majority of those that can work from home are doing so.
They haven't explicitly told construction sites to shut - a large number of those on the sites will be self employed and they've had no assurances yet over how they will be properly financially supported (although I suspect that is coming). The government needs to take decisive action and shut these today. |
But a good question on BBC breakfast this morning was should garages shut, are they essential? The question was aimed at car maintenance rather petrol stations
You would probably think no, but if an essential worker ie a home care worker has a problem with their car they will need it fixed so then yes it's essential.
The message last night was about social distancing, I really don't understand why people don't get i. and why they are constantly looking for holes.
In London Khan needs to do more, the congestion charge has been suspended but he also needs to waiver parking rules ie invoke Sunday parking rules and allow people to park on single yellows as per a Sunday, that would take some of the essential workers off the trains |  | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:02 - Mar 24 with 4480 views | r2d2 |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:17 - Mar 24 by ITFC_Forever |
Not sure it's people ignoring the rules, but the companies they work for chasing money ahead of their employee's health. |
Very true. Im in manufacturing. Gove wants that to continue where possible he said this morning. Thats a red rag to my boss. We are in as usual and will be, working within a couple of feet of each other. But, we have to work for money. The bosses know that. Cant afford to lose my job. Plenty in the same boat no doubt. People dont have the choice some seem to think they do. |  | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:17 - Mar 24 with 4459 views | FoD_Blue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:02 - Mar 24 by BloomBlue |
But a good question on BBC breakfast this morning was should garages shut, are they essential? The question was aimed at car maintenance rather petrol stations
You would probably think no, but if an essential worker ie a home care worker has a problem with their car they will need it fixed so then yes it's essential.
The message last night was about social distancing, I really don't understand why people don't get i. and why they are constantly looking for holes.
In London Khan needs to do more, the congestion charge has been suspended but he also needs to waiver parking rules ie invoke Sunday parking rules and allow people to park on single yellows as per a Sunday, that would take some of the essential workers off the trains |
Following on from the garages, what if your car Is due an MOT?
Will there be a load of cars driving around (or even parked on public roads) with lapsed MOT because people are not able to get tested? Will there be some allowance for cars to be used regardless? | | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:22 - Mar 24 with 4439 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:42 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
He said unless an absolute necessity. Surely that means if you can work at home you should do, if you can't (say your job is digging holes) then you carry on as normal? I don't see what's vague about that.
People know, on an individual basis, if they're able to do their job at home or not. Some will take the piss but I think most are being sensible. Me and the missus can work at home so we both are. Hasn't even been a discussion. You can so you do. |
The guidance is you can travel for work if you can't work from home. That covers an awful lot of people. The lack of clarity is that some have interpreted it to mean that only key workers should go to work whilst others have interpreted it as meaning any form of work that can't be done from home. That's basically business as usual for millions of workers, hence the tube still being rammed. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:22 - Mar 24 with 4445 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:17 - Mar 24 by FoD_Blue |
Following on from the garages, what if your car Is due an MOT?
Will there be a load of cars driving around (or even parked on public roads) with lapsed MOT because people are not able to get tested? Will there be some allowance for cars to be used regardless? |
I'd say that really isn't essential and I think the police are going to have far more pressing matters than checking for lapsed MOTs. | | | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:41 - Mar 24 with 4414 views | hampstead_blue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:00 - Mar 24 by m14_blue |
What else are they doing?
(Not that I want army on the streets either tbf) |
My take is that it's all about consensus.
Our society hasn't been used to the militia types of others.
If we get mutual agreement at the highest level that will be great. Some plebs will always ignore it but that's what the cops are for. Sweep up the plebs. | |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:43 - Mar 24 with 4415 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:41 - Mar 24 by hampstead_blue |
My take is that it's all about consensus.
Our society hasn't been used to the militia types of others.
If we get mutual agreement at the highest level that will be great. Some plebs will always ignore it but that's what the cops are for. Sweep up the plebs. |
It's not really working though is it? | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:49 - Mar 24 with 4418 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:42 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
He said unless an absolute necessity. Surely that means if you can work at home you should do, if you can't (say your job is digging holes) then you carry on as normal? I don't see what's vague about that.
People know, on an individual basis, if they're able to do their job at home or not. Some will take the piss but I think most are being sensible. Me and the missus can work at home so we both are. Hasn't even been a discussion. You can so you do. |
Yes, I think it's pretty clear although what people are doing is convincing themselves that their trip to work is a necessity - when it isn't.
My trip to work tomorrow isn't a necessity but it is important however I can get there and back without seeing anyone. If I had to go on public transport I wouldn't go.
People are being asked to use their brain but they are finding it difficult because they don't seem to have one. They are thinking of ways to justify themselves.
I agree with your earlier post that "The people" are being gradually edged into a more severe lockdown and psychology is playing a large part in this, in fact it has been from the very start. Unless you are an authoritarian country it isn't as easy as simply immediately locking people down.
There is a bigger picture here. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:53 - Mar 24 with 4404 views | m14_blue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:41 - Mar 24 by hampstead_blue |
My take is that it's all about consensus.
Our society hasn't been used to the militia types of others.
If we get mutual agreement at the highest level that will be great. Some plebs will always ignore it but that's what the cops are for. Sweep up the plebs. |
I agree.
Army on the streets should be an absolute last resort. | | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:56 - Mar 24 with 4386 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:49 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes, I think it's pretty clear although what people are doing is convincing themselves that their trip to work is a necessity - when it isn't.
My trip to work tomorrow isn't a necessity but it is important however I can get there and back without seeing anyone. If I had to go on public transport I wouldn't go.
People are being asked to use their brain but they are finding it difficult because they don't seem to have one. They are thinking of ways to justify themselves.
I agree with your earlier post that "The people" are being gradually edged into a more severe lockdown and psychology is playing a large part in this, in fact it has been from the very start. Unless you are an authoritarian country it isn't as easy as simply immediately locking people down.
There is a bigger picture here. |
If it's clear then why are different people interpreting it in different ways? I've seen at least three different understandings of the guidance on work from posters on here, all of whom are bright enough and all of whom are already working from home anyway. I don't think the guidance on work is at all clear, look at Sports Direct trying to claim they are an essential shop. Numerous other businesses will be claiming their work is necessary on some grounds or another. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:57 - Mar 24 with 4390 views | jaykay |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:02 - Mar 24 by r2d2 |
Very true. Im in manufacturing. Gove wants that to continue where possible he said this morning. Thats a red rag to my boss. We are in as usual and will be, working within a couple of feet of each other. But, we have to work for money. The bosses know that. Cant afford to lose my job. Plenty in the same boat no doubt. People dont have the choice some seem to think they do. |
i thought you were going to get at least 75% of your wages. like my son said he wont have to fill his car to get to work. no pub to go to so he wont be much worse off |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:58 - Mar 24 with 4391 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:22 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
The guidance is you can travel for work if you can't work from home. That covers an awful lot of people. The lack of clarity is that some have interpreted it to mean that only key workers should go to work whilst others have interpreted it as meaning any form of work that can't be done from home. That's basically business as usual for millions of workers, hence the tube still being rammed. |
If it was only key workers they'd have said only key workers.
Boris said, "unless an absolute necessity". That was the point when he would've said, "unless you're a key worker" if he'd meant key workers.
I don't see what's not clear about it. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:02 - Mar 24 with 4377 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:49 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes, I think it's pretty clear although what people are doing is convincing themselves that their trip to work is a necessity - when it isn't.
My trip to work tomorrow isn't a necessity but it is important however I can get there and back without seeing anyone. If I had to go on public transport I wouldn't go.
People are being asked to use their brain but they are finding it difficult because they don't seem to have one. They are thinking of ways to justify themselves.
I agree with your earlier post that "The people" are being gradually edged into a more severe lockdown and psychology is playing a large part in this, in fact it has been from the very start. Unless you are an authoritarian country it isn't as easy as simply immediately locking people down.
There is a bigger picture here. |
For a lot of self employed workers it is a "necessity" at the moment though. People are worried where their next proper pay cheque is coming from and they have families to support just the same as employed workers do. All the hairdressers in Ipswich announced closure within a couple of hours of each other, I know that was enforced (unofficially). It needs to be enforced across the board and confirmation of financial support needs to be announced asap. | | | |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:02 - Mar 24 with 4374 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:49 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes, I think it's pretty clear although what people are doing is convincing themselves that their trip to work is a necessity - when it isn't.
My trip to work tomorrow isn't a necessity but it is important however I can get there and back without seeing anyone. If I had to go on public transport I wouldn't go.
People are being asked to use their brain but they are finding it difficult because they don't seem to have one. They are thinking of ways to justify themselves.
I agree with your earlier post that "The people" are being gradually edged into a more severe lockdown and psychology is playing a large part in this, in fact it has been from the very start. Unless you are an authoritarian country it isn't as easy as simply immediately locking people down.
There is a bigger picture here. |
Indeed, and that's why I think people like Callis saying things should've been done sooner are slightly missing the point. It's about managing the people as well as the virus. I think the government's approach has largely been sensible - or at least I can see their logic behind it. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:05 - Mar 24 with 4365 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:56 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
If it's clear then why are different people interpreting it in different ways? I've seen at least three different understandings of the guidance on work from posters on here, all of whom are bright enough and all of whom are already working from home anyway. I don't think the guidance on work is at all clear, look at Sports Direct trying to claim they are an essential shop. Numerous other businesses will be claiming their work is necessary on some grounds or another. |
People like Sports Direct will try to pul a fast one, but the advice is clear. Why other people are interpreting it in different ways I can't answer. Rather than interpret it, just go on what he's actually saying. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:06 - Mar 24 with 4360 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:58 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
If it was only key workers they'd have said only key workers.
Boris said, "unless an absolute necessity". That was the point when he would've said, "unless you're a key worker" if he'd meant key workers.
I don't see what's not clear about it. |
Nor do I, I understood it from the get go.
Unfortunately the media seem to be misreporting it today.
Some media big knob has just said that Halfords remain open when in fact their CEO made the decision this morning to close because their customers have been acting irresponsibly. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:10 - Mar 24 with 4347 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 10:58 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
If it was only key workers they'd have said only key workers.
Boris said, "unless an absolute necessity". That was the point when he would've said, "unless you're a key worker" if he'd meant key workers.
I don't see what's not clear about it. |
Have a read through some of the threads last night and take it up with those who interpreted as meaning key workers. They also insisted the message was pretty clear by the way.
The point is that if different people are interpreting it differently - and necessity is very open to interpretation - then the guidance patently isn't clear enough. What you consider to be an absolutely necessary journey for work won't be the same as what others view as an absolutely necessary journey for work. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:11 - Mar 24 with 4348 views | sparks |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 09:57 - Mar 24 by hampstead_blue |
If they went full fat marshall law people would go mental.
We live in a society of consensus. The way they are approaching it is too encourage others by showing individual leadership.
I do hope the message gets through as I don't want the armed forces wasting their time by patrolling the streets. |
I think the vast majority would support it. |  |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:12 - Mar 24 with 4342 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:05 - Mar 24 by BrixtonBlue |
People like Sports Direct will try to pul a fast one, but the advice is clear. Why other people are interpreting it in different ways I can't answer. Rather than interpret it, just go on what he's actually saying. |
If something is clear it isn't open to being interpreted in many different ways. I've had other people accusing me of being dim for thinking it's not clear whilst offering a very different understanding of the advice to the one you're giving. That should be enough for you to see that it's not clear. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:18 - Mar 24 with 4331 views | noggin |
Anyone in The City today, if so, how's it looking? Surely the vast majority can work from home. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:29 - Mar 24 with 4307 views | Herbivore |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:06 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Nor do I, I understood it from the get go.
Unfortunately the media seem to be misreporting it today.
Some media big knob has just said that Halfords remain open when in fact their CEO made the decision this morning to close because their customers have been acting irresponsibly. |
You understood it one way, others on here and elsewhere have understood it differently. Hence it isn't clear enough. | |
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| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:31 - Mar 24 with 4304 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Just seen pics of the underground this morning on 11:12 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
If something is clear it isn't open to being interpreted in many different ways. I've had other people accusing me of being dim for thinking it's not clear whilst offering a very different understanding of the advice to the one you're giving. That should be enough for you to see that it's not clear. |
i think some people are being obtuse because they're anti government or anti Tory.
I've said my bit about the clarity. I'm going on what he's actually said and he hasn't said "only key workers." I don't have anything else to add. It's clear as day if you're not trying to look for ambiguity. | |
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