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Hard to see this as scaremongering given successive days of 900+ fatalities and a higher daily fatality rate on our worst day than on the worst days in China, Italy and Spain. Bear in mind that we looked on in horror at what was happening in those countries just a few weeks ago.
Considering it started to hit here later than in the rest of mainland Europe, in theory giving us time to prepare and mitigate, that's pretty scandalous. The inquest will come in some months' time but I struggle to see how anyone can think this has been handled competently.
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 17:50 - Apr 12 by Bluesquid
I am not trying to push any theory i am simply following official Government documentation and press briefings.
"Covid associated deaths, not all as a result of Covid" - 58:41
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No, but someone who has covid-19 who, say, suffers a stroke or a heart attack will have less physical reserve to cope with an additional strain on the body's systems.
Not sure why you're still trying to play this down other than some rather tragic attempt at trolling.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 17:04 - Apr 12 by Bluesquid
Yes you are correct to point that out but one must seriously wonder over the figures that we are being constantly bombarded with.
How many of the C-19 deaths are based on assumptions?
Because the recently implemented Coronavirus Act 2020 means a death can be signed off on the assumption that it is C-19 even without a doctor ever seeing the deceased.
Do stop taking crap, there's a dear.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 17:04 - Apr 12 by Bluesquid
Yes you are correct to point that out but one must seriously wonder over the figures that we are being constantly bombarded with.
How many of the C-19 deaths are based on assumptions?
Because the recently implemented Coronavirus Act 2020 means a death can be signed off on the assumption that it is C-19 even without a doctor ever seeing the deceased.
Data from other European Countries suggest that between 42% and 57% of COVID deaths are occurring in care homes. If the same were true here, and you adjust for an average lag of about 3 or 4 days in a death being reported (I can't be bothered to check/work out what it actually is), then the top end estimate could be about 35,000 COVID related deaths so far in the UK, lower end about 26,000. So yeah, the figures could be out by a bit.
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UK could be worst hit in Europe on 18:43 - Apr 12 by blueconscience
Why are you so sensitive about this? He is only saying what the government has told us.
The attitude towards people who have a different opinion or view on things really stinks on this forum.
The whole 'could be declared as covid without a doctor seeing them' bit is utter, imagined rubbish.
If covid-19 has gone on a death certificate it will be because a senior doctor has reviewed that patient's full clinical picture and made a diagnosis. He's more than welcome to his 'opinion' but the actual facts really don't support his increasingly desperate attempts to look 'in the know' on this.
I've told him he's talking crap, because he's talking crap. That's my considered opinion. I don't think people should be so hostile to my considered opinions.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 18:22 - Apr 12 by BlueBadger
No, but someone who has covid-19 who, say, suffers a stroke or a heart attack will have less physical reserve to cope with an additional strain on the body's systems.
Not sure why you're still trying to play this down other than some rather tragic attempt at trolling.
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I am not trying to play anything down, these are the words of Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Jenny Harries.
"for the UK these are Covid ASSOCIATED deaths, they are all sad events, THEY WOULD NOT ALL BE A DEATH AS A *RESULT* OF COVID"
If anything it's you who is challenging the Deputy CMO.
I don't understand the British media. I really, really don't.
Basic things: Ireland and the UK started this pandemic with roughly the same number of ICU beds (6.5 per 100,000 for Ireland, 6.6 per 100,000 in the UK).
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 14:30 - Apr 12 by pointofblue
As said elsewhere, Japan have Covid-19 under control and have carried out far fewer tests than us. There doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason behind how things develop though I’m going to assume the Japanese are far more aware and respectful as a society than we are here. The app looks like a good way of tracking the disease.
As an aside, I think I would have implemented a couple of things differently had I been in charge of the response - close the borders much earlier and request that all those flying in are placed in quarantine for fourteen days and also close the pubs/theatres on the day the “don’t visit” request was issued rather than leaving them in limbo. Obviously there are issues with PPE but I have no idea what the government response to that and what could be done better there.
On reflection it's strange that at the end of January a plane load of UK nationals were flown from Wuhan and kept in isolation in Liverpool for 2 weeks. A month later the first cases were recorded in UK, often with the tag line of having recently come back from Italy: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51450517
The legacy of this might be that our borders will be shut a lot quicker in future.
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 19:10 - Apr 12 by StokieBlue
This is a major issue nowadays.
Just because it's someone's opinion that doesn't mean it holds any kind of equivalence to an informed opinion.
When an opinion is demonstrably incorrect it should be challenged. That doesn't stink at all, in fact not wanting it to be challenged is what stinks.
SB
There’s a certain group of posters who do nothing but attack or demean differing points of views, and half the time their “Superior” view or opinion has no more validity than the post they are attacking.
Shame really, this used to be an interesting and friendly forum, but with the know it alls and perfectionists It has gone downhill.
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 23:52 - Apr 12 by blueconscience
There’s a certain group of posters who do nothing but attack or demean differing points of views, and half the time their “Superior” view or opinion has no more validity than the post they are attacking.
Shame really, this used to be an interesting and friendly forum, but with the know it alls and perfectionists It has gone downhill.
There's more so a group of posters who hate anyone who tries to understand a damned thing and who attack them willy nilly. Those who revel in their ignorance.
And then whine when they get put back into their pathetic place.
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 23:56 - Apr 12 by jeera
There's more so a group of posters who hate anyone who tries to understand a damned thing and who attack them willy nilly. Those who revel in their ignorance.
And then whine when they get put back into their pathetic place.
You couldn't have this more wrong if you tried.
You're fighting some good fight that isn't there.
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You like me know feck all about this virus so shut the feck up
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UK could be worst hit in Europe on 00:01 - Apr 13 with 3027 views
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 23:56 - Apr 12 by jeera
There's more so a group of posters who hate anyone who tries to understand a damned thing and who attack them willy nilly. Those who revel in their ignorance.
And then whine when they get put back into their pathetic place.
You couldn't have this more wrong if you tried.
You're fighting some good fight that isn't there.
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That’s a bit better, disagreeing without name calling and abuse
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 00:42 - Apr 13 by StokieBlue
Well I read the paper which disproved your awful conspiracy theory about it being man-made and designed by the "chinks" to kill Americans.
I repeat. You've been a disgrace. If you last until morning then that's too long.
SB
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So tell me in 100 percent facts it was disproved , the one hundred percent fact is like me you know nothing factual about it ,but unlike you I don’t wish harm on you like you do me , are you saying that I die overnight? If so should you be posting on a forum you should not wish that on anyone just because you have different views , it tells me your a bad man stokie
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UK could be worst hit in Europe on 00:53 - Apr 13 with 2959 views
UK could be worst hit in Europe on 00:51 - Apr 13 by pistonbroke
So tell me in 100 percent facts it was disproved , the one hundred percent fact is like me you know nothing factual about it ,but unlike you I don’t wish harm on you like you do me , are you saying that I die overnight? If so should you be posting on a forum you should not wish that on anyone just because you have different views , it tells me your a bad man stokie
Oh so it's just me you wish harm on then? Good to know.
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UK could be worst hit in Europe on 00:59 - Apr 13 by pistonbroke
No , wish you no harm at all , you can try your stirring tactics that your famous for on here but I won’t bite
Bite?
You've says some awful shît on here tonight. You've wished harm on innocent people. You should be ashamed.
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UK could be worst hit in Europe on 17:41 - Apr 12 by BlueBadger
No, but given the current climate, the overwhelming majority of it IS.
It'll certainly be a factor in the deaths of many others who've already got other, life limiting conditions. Plus, deaths in the home(care or otherwise) where testing hasn't happened aren't recorded. If anything, we're underestimating our covid-19 deaths.
In addition to this, testing is fairly unreliable - a lot of people are being treated on the basis of a strong clinical picture suggestive of C19 - I know of at least one individual who is deploying literally every sign bar a positive test, so we're treating accordingly.
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I want to start by saying thank you for all you and your colleagues do as part of the health service, it really is appreciated.
And I feel slightly guilty that I would now like to ask a question but you say testing is fairly unreliable. If it is, is the push for 100,000 a day slightly pointless as they are not leading to correct results?
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