| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 18:47 - Apr 24 with 2905 views | BlueBadger |
He's there to ensure policy based evidence, rather than evidence-based policy... |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 18:51 - Apr 24 with 2888 views | factual_blue |
I don't think many of them would take any crap from cummings. That John Van Tam looks like he could break a man in half with his bare hands.
And his grandfather was Nguyễn Văn Tâm, who served as Prime Minister of the State of Vietnam (sort of the first attempt at a post-colonial independent state), and his uncle was Nguyễn Văn Hinh, chief of staff of the Vietnamese National Army and the first Vietnamese officer in the French Armed Forces to be promoted to the rank of general. |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 18:57 - Apr 24 with 2861 views | gordon |
Rather predictably, SAGE and the government's 'we're following the science' line is going to get a bit messy.
And, there seems to be a lag of about 10 days before posts by TWTD's more informed members become common knowledge. |  | | |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:18 - Apr 24 with 2820 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:26 - Apr 24 with 2804 views | itfcjoe |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:18 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
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Didn’t he argue that the PM didn’t need to be in the COBRA meetings?
Seems double standards at work |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:31 - Apr 24 with 2785 views | LankHenners |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:26 - Apr 24 by itfcjoe |
Didn’t he argue that the PM didn’t need to be in the COBRA meetings?
Seems double standards at work |
Dan 'king of the false equivalence' Hodges has an important role to play in the general distrust of journalists in this country.
A tweet from Mr Blobby would carry greater gravitas. |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:33 - Apr 24 with 2781 views | NewcyBlue |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:18 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
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I’m torn on all this.
I almost didn’t get home on 31st January because Singapore were worried about seafarers with recent travel to China. We should have been screening people back then, but as with Singapore taking temperature readings, we would have missed the a symptomatic ones.
We also needed to keep things moving in the country. A broke Britain with harsher Austerity than we have seen will be no good for anyone. The after effects of all this will not be a fun time for anyone.
So, I can see why there needed to be a case for holding off on the lockdown, I can see why people were worried about lockdown fatigue.
It’s all a bit of a mess, if I had to make the decisions I would live with those decisions for the rest of my life. Either way deaths would happen. We don’t really know about any second waves etc yet. It’s all a guessing game.
This doesn’t mean I think the government decisions shouldn’t be scrutinised. They should. Massively so. I do worry what stakes politicians have in various companies that will be effected by their decisions.
What a world we live in... |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:35 - Apr 24 with 2766 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:31 - Apr 24 by LankHenners |
Dan 'king of the false equivalence' Hodges has an important role to play in the general distrust of journalists in this country.
A tweet from Mr Blobby would carry greater gravitas. |
So you disagree with Hodges that the PM's most senior advisor should participate in SAGE meetings?
You would then be the first to start moaning that Number 10 weren't taking the matter seriously and ignoring the meetings. | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:38 - Apr 24 with 2749 views | monytowbray |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:18 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
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That’s some 180 on your views about Johnson and Cobra meetings last week... |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:39 - Apr 24 with 2745 views | lowhouseblue |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:35 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
So you disagree with Hodges that the PM's most senior advisor should participate in SAGE meetings?
You would then be the first to start moaning that Number 10 weren't taking the matter seriously and ignoring the meetings. |
i think you're missing the point. tories are evil. and quite possibly even more evil than covid-19. |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:41 - Apr 24 with 2735 views | monytowbray |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:39 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
i think you're missing the point. tories are evil. and quite possibly even more evil than covid-19. |
Speaking of Tories, our resident red one is here to defend the Tories to the death and somehow drop Corbyn into the debate.
But he’s not a Tory, honestly... | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:41 - Apr 24 with 2733 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:39 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
i think you're missing the point. tories are evil. and quite possibly even more evil than covid-19. |
If Corbyn had been PM it would have been entirely correct for Andrew Murray to to have attended SAGE meetings during this crisis.
And, to quote Dan Hodges again " it's an absolute disgrace to imply people like Whitty and Valence - men who have dedicated their lives to science and medicine and protecting the public - decided to betray every oath they've ever taken to roll over for him". | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:43 - Apr 24 with 2730 views | monytowbray |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:41 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
If Corbyn had been PM it would have been entirely correct for Andrew Murray to to have attended SAGE meetings during this crisis.
And, to quote Dan Hodges again " it's an absolute disgrace to imply people like Whitty and Valence - men who have dedicated their lives to science and medicine and protecting the public - decided to betray every oath they've ever taken to roll over for him". |
Putting money on it now it comes out what the scientific advisors advised and what they had to roll with the punches on were two different things. Depends how long it takes for them to get fed up of it or the party implodes. | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:43 - Apr 24 with 2724 views | lowhouseblue |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:41 - Apr 24 by monytowbray |
Speaking of Tories, our resident red one is here to defend the Tories to the death and somehow drop Corbyn into the debate.
But he’s not a Tory, honestly... |
drop who into the debate? wasn't it you who just corbyn bombed this thread?
i'm a starmerite.
but yes i do believe that tories are people too. | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:45 - Apr 24 with 2715 views | LankHenners |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:35 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
So you disagree with Hodges that the PM's most senior advisor should participate in SAGE meetings?
You would then be the first to start moaning that Number 10 weren't taking the matter seriously and ignoring the meetings. |
My point was a purely flippant one about Dan Hodges.
My opinion, not that you're interested, on senior advisers being present at important meetings having given it about 0.5 seconds thought is that they should probably be there so they know what's going on but that's about it. | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:47 - Apr 24 with 2698 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:43 - Apr 24 by monytowbray |
Putting money on it now it comes out what the scientific advisors advised and what they had to roll with the punches on were two different things. Depends how long it takes for them to get fed up of it or the party implodes. |
I sugest that you watch this afternoon's select committe. OK it's more than 30 seconds longs and doesn't contain any soundbites but it includes all the 3 CMO's of the devolved nations confirming that SAGE reached a scientific consensus, gave the best advice available and the government of the UK, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland unanimously acted on.
When you have watched it I'd like to see your post where you logically and forensically take apart everything they said.
You should have this ready by morning so I look forward to my breakfast reading on TWTD. | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:49 - Apr 24 with 2689 views | lowhouseblue |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:47 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I sugest that you watch this afternoon's select committe. OK it's more than 30 seconds longs and doesn't contain any soundbites but it includes all the 3 CMO's of the devolved nations confirming that SAGE reached a scientific consensus, gave the best advice available and the government of the UK, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland unanimously acted on.
When you have watched it I'd like to see your post where you logically and forensically take apart everything they said.
You should have this ready by morning so I look forward to my breakfast reading on TWTD. |
but it's tory science. booooooo. | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:51 - Apr 24 with 2671 views | footers |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:47 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I sugest that you watch this afternoon's select committe. OK it's more than 30 seconds longs and doesn't contain any soundbites but it includes all the 3 CMO's of the devolved nations confirming that SAGE reached a scientific consensus, gave the best advice available and the government of the UK, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland unanimously acted on.
When you have watched it I'd like to see your post where you logically and forensically take apart everything they said.
You should have this ready by morning so I look forward to my breakfast reading on TWTD. |
And what role did Dom play in SAGE reaching a scientific consensus? I know he wishes he was a scientist, but he isn't one. |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:52 - Apr 24 with 2669 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:45 - Apr 24 by LankHenners |
My point was a purely flippant one about Dan Hodges.
My opinion, not that you're interested, on senior advisers being present at important meetings having given it about 0.5 seconds thought is that they should probably be there so they know what's going on but that's about it. |
Glad we got there in the end. And of course I'm interested in your opinion otherwise I wouldn't have asked you for it.
I believe this is the first time I've engaged with you under this username so I'm not sure what the sarky comment was for.
Edit. Now I have the final episode of Better Call Saul to watch and it's hard to follow with subtitles if I'm posting. [Post edited 24 Apr 2020 19:52]
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:52 - Apr 24 with 2663 views | monytowbray |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:47 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I sugest that you watch this afternoon's select committe. OK it's more than 30 seconds longs and doesn't contain any soundbites but it includes all the 3 CMO's of the devolved nations confirming that SAGE reached a scientific consensus, gave the best advice available and the government of the UK, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland unanimously acted on.
When you have watched it I'd like to see your post where you logically and forensically take apart everything they said.
You should have this ready by morning so I look forward to my breakfast reading on TWTD. |
Have you told this to the scientists that disagree with the approach too then now you are the board’s scientific expert?
Do I need a masters to do the math of not locking down early enough and a higher death toll?
They wanted that lockdown sooner and were overruled by plan B that they had to come up with in someone else’s framework. And I say that because I don’t believe for one second they are stupid.
We’ve all had bosses who insist we do things their (wrong) way. [Post edited 24 Apr 2020 19:53]
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:53 - Apr 24 with 2661 views | Steve_M |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:18 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
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I would expect the final decision to be influenced by politics as much as science, I wouldn't expect the political to be influencing the science.
Why were the government so reluctant to name the members of SAGE? |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:54 - Apr 24 with 2650 views | monytowbray |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:53 - Apr 24 by Steve_M |
I would expect the final decision to be influenced by politics as much as science, I wouldn't expect the political to be influencing the science.
Why were the government so reluctant to name the members of SAGE? |
And of course everyone knows Cummings is an honest and trustworthy guy who doesn’t throw his weight around aggressively... | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 20:01 - Apr 24 with 2611 views | LankHenners |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 19:52 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Glad we got there in the end. And of course I'm interested in your opinion otherwise I wouldn't have asked you for it.
I believe this is the first time I've engaged with you under this username so I'm not sure what the sarky comment was for.
Edit. Now I have the final episode of Better Call Saul to watch and it's hard to follow with subtitles if I'm posting. [Post edited 24 Apr 2020 19:52]
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Post unto others how thou would like to be posted at thyself.
BCS really is rather good, best enjoyed with no other distractions. | |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 20:20 - Apr 24 with 2568 views | Guthrum |
The other members are people with considerable expertise and prestige in their own fields. They're not going to be shouted and sworn at like a herd of unruly MPs. They are also less dependent than the latter upon having to toe the line in order to receive the patronage and preferment they thirst after.
Who knows, Cummings may actually have more respect for them? |  |
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| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 21:35 - Apr 24 with 2479 views | factual_blue |
| I think we've found out why the government wouldn't name members of SAGE on 20:20 - Apr 24 by Guthrum |
The other members are people with considerable expertise and prestige in their own fields. They're not going to be shouted and sworn at like a herd of unruly MPs. They are also less dependent than the latter upon having to toe the line in order to receive the patronage and preferment they thirst after.
Who knows, Cummings may actually have more respect for them? |
I can guess how much respect they'll have for him.
It'll be less than the current R number. | |
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