| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers 18:11 - May 3 with 8261 views | bluelagos |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52501417
So the stats in the attached are
Accepters 48%
Struggling but obeying 44%
Resistant 9%
Where do you sit and why? Do you accept the govt line, or have you made up your own mind? Or is the threat of a fine enough for you to comply? Or is the social pressue to conform impacting you?
I'd say I am a reluctant accepter, following the advice as I believe it is correct, rather than because I worry about a fine...
You?
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:50 - May 4 with 2713 views | StokieBlue |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 19:07 - May 3 by bluelagos |
You wont be alone if struggling with your mental health Debsy. Exercise, fresh air, limit social media, mindfulness all come highly recommended if possible. |
Imagine how hard it must have been in Spain, France, Italy, South Africa and many other countries where people were not allowed to exercise or get fresh air.
I think many, including myself, would have found it more difficult. It would have also been far harder on children if they couldn't get out an do some exercise.
As it stands I am fine with it, it is what it is and is for the greater good thus a small personal hardship isn't insurmountable.
I actually find attitudes like NotSure's more annoying than the lockdown itself.
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:52 - May 4 with 2710 views | bluelagos |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:38 - May 4 by GaryCooper |
If we cannot lockdown until deaths are zero then what is the point of lockdown? Covid-19 will hit again.
In effect there is no lockdown, are shop workers expendable? Have we suspended all international travel? Have care home workers been ordered to isolate completely? Have front line NHS workers been told to isolate completely? |
"If we cannot lockdown until deaths are zero then what is the point of lockdown? Covid-19 will hit again. "
To reduce the deaths to an acceptable level (Whatever that might be)
Can argue whether it should be harsher (or less) and whether we have been adequately protecting those who have to still work (NHS, supermarkets) but the point stands, that at some point we are going to have to make a judgement call on what is an acceptable number of deaths.
And if anyone thinks the answer is nil, then I'd presume they'd also ban driving cars, motorbikes, flying, mountain climbing, sky diving, horse riding, rugby, running and any other activity that has a risk of death attached to it.
The lockdown removes those activities (for the greater good - significantly fewer deaths) but as some point (unless we get a vaccine anytime soon) we will need to make a call that the social & economic costs of the lockdown are too great for it to carry on.
As a society we take risks all the time because we judge the joy/pleasure to outweigh the risks. Get in the car to see your parents, you take a risk. Drive to a wedding, you take a risk. We do it all the time, usually without a second thought. And we will again at some point make similar judgements with reference to the dangers of catching CV, or of passing it on to others.
An interesting debate that will be repeated many times in the weeks ahead am sure. | |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:52 - May 4 with 2706 views | brazil1982 |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 23:46 - May 3 by Tonytown |
Again you are a terrible human. Did you not read the thread from the other day, you know the one where you said that the dead were mostly economically inactive I think, where people explained why you were wrong?
If everyone behaved like you the NHS would collapse and there would be tens of thousands more deaths.
People like you make me despair.
Oh and your description of what you are doing may as well be the dictionary definition of flouting the rules.
I hope you enjoy your barbecue by the way you massive c*nt [Post edited 3 May 2020 23:50]
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:54 - May 4 with 2694 views | hampstead_blue |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 19:40 - May 3 by NotSure |
I think this has been a magnificent propaganda campaign by the government.
Really good 3 part slogan that people can remember.
I was acceptant for the first month but we are not complying anymore.
I wouldn’t call us resistant as we aren’t deliberately floughting the rules.
Happy to accept visitors, going out when I want and not bothered about being 2 metres away when I walk past people. You know, bit like Sweden.
But those percentages quoted will change very quickly as soon as the government change their advertising campaign. |
I'm with Stokie and others who have voted you down.
I'm not quite sure what part of 'deadly' isn't getting into your head. This is serious. It's those who treat it with abmivilance who will make it worse for the rest of us.
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Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
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Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:54 - May 4 with 2694 views | bluelagos |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:50 - May 4 by StokieBlue |
Imagine how hard it must have been in Spain, France, Italy, South Africa and many other countries where people were not allowed to exercise or get fresh air.
I think many, including myself, would have found it more difficult. It would have also been far harder on children if they couldn't get out an do some exercise.
As it stands I am fine with it, it is what it is and is for the greater good thus a small personal hardship isn't insurmountable.
I actually find attitudes like NotSure's more annoying than the lockdown itself.
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I think he is trolling tbh. Which is why I chose not to engage. Had I thought he was serious I might have done. | |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:54 - May 4 with 2694 views | Decoy_Octopus |
Was sceptical at first but accepting now.
The lockdown means for me, working from home for the first time ever. We are spending more time together as a family, living life more slowly, cooking from scratch almost every day now.
Im losing weight as with the limits on going out exercise I'm making sure it counts and have started running again
Luckily I can work from home (despite my company previously saying it was impossible) on full pay which is something I much prefer and would like to continue. We have saved money on fuel and I get to spend time with the family
Obvioulsy don't like being unable to go anywhere and see friends and family, and hopefully can keep up the running and cooking more once this is all back to normal but the working from home is a game changer for me and I'd be gutted if I have to commute to an office everyday again for no reason. |  | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:57 - May 4 with 2688 views | itfcjoe |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:54 - May 4 by bluelagos |
I think he is trolling tbh. Which is why I chose not to engage. Had I thought he was serious I might have done. |
Ditto, too obvious now |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:59 - May 4 with 2682 views | StokieBlue |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:38 - May 4 by GaryCooper |
If we cannot lockdown until deaths are zero then what is the point of lockdown? Covid-19 will hit again.
In effect there is no lockdown, are shop workers expendable? Have we suspended all international travel? Have care home workers been ordered to isolate completely? Have front line NHS workers been told to isolate completely? |
You should read this:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196496/coronavirus-pandemic-could-have-caused-40
With no measures there could have been up to 40m deaths this year from C19. That is why a lockdown is required even if it doesn't reduce the deaths to 0.
Are you saying there shouldn't be a lockdown now or that there shouldn't have been one at all?
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 10:04 - May 4 with 2664 views | GaryCooper |
If there is/was to be a lockdown then at least do it properly, a full three week lockdown, with complete isolation for care workers and NHS patient care workers, no shops open, no outside of home exercise, this would have has a far bigger down turn and all within the incubation period. |  | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 10:08 - May 4 with 2654 views | NotSure |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:46 - May 4 by StokieBlue |
So in summary, you're having people over thus increase the possible vectors of infection and then you are not bothering to stay 2m away and observe social distancing in public.
"I wouldn’t call us resistant as we aren’t deliberately floughting the rules."
You are deliberately flouting the rules by your own admission. An unbelievable amount of cognitive dissidence in that sentence.
It's incredibly selfish. Everyone is having to make changes, except you of course because why should you?
Shameful stuff.
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"and then you are not bothering to stay 2m away and observe social distancing in public."
Why does no-one on this website bother to read replies properly.
"when I walk past people". You know these people, who would rather walk in the road and risk getting run over than just just walk past you normally. |  | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 10:11 - May 4 with 2645 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:54 - May 4 by bluelagos |
I think he is trolling tbh. Which is why I chose not to engage. Had I thought he was serious I might have done. |
Yes quite clearly - it was believable up until the not keeping 2m away walking past people bit |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 10:13 - May 4 with 2637 views | NotSure |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:38 - May 4 by GaryCooper |
If we cannot lockdown until deaths are zero then what is the point of lockdown? Covid-19 will hit again.
In effect there is no lockdown, are shop workers expendable? Have we suspended all international travel? Have care home workers been ordered to isolate completely? Have front line NHS workers been told to isolate completely? |
The whole point of this lockdown was to protect the NHS and stop people dieing in corridors. If it has suddenly changed and we are trying to save lives then we need a full lockdown for 18 months.
We have flattened the curve, job done, now lets get out there with less restrictions and enjoy the summer.
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 10:26 - May 4 with 2611 views | NotSure |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:57 - May 4 by itfcjoe |
Ditto, too obvious now |
Yeah right, I'm the one being called a c*nt yet I'm the troll  | | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 12:37 - May 4 with 2547 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 10:26 - May 4 by NotSure |
Yeah right, I'm the one being called a c*nt yet I'm the troll |
You are at least one of those two |  | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 13:06 - May 4 with 2544 views | bluelagos |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 12:37 - May 4 by BLUEGOLD |
You are at least one of those two |
It is quite possible he is both :-) | |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 13:29 - May 4 with 2515 views | SpruceMoose |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 13:06 - May 4 by bluelagos |
It is quite possible he is both :-) |
I believe you're all overlooking the third option which is 'moronic tool'. |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 13:43 - May 4 with 2506 views | NewcyBlue |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 10:13 - May 4 by NotSure |
The whole point of this lockdown was to protect the NHS and stop people dieing in corridors. If it has suddenly changed and we are trying to save lives then we need a full lockdown for 18 months.
We have flattened the curve, job done, now lets get out there with less restrictions and enjoy the summer.
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A friend of mine died of cancer today. All his chemo and hospital visits got cancelled due to COVID.
So how about you post about the stuff you know about in depth? You know, flipping burgers and asking “would you like that as a meal?” |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 13:51 - May 4 with 2501 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 10:13 - May 4 by NotSure |
The whole point of this lockdown was to protect the NHS and stop people dieing in corridors. If it has suddenly changed and we are trying to save lives then we need a full lockdown for 18 months.
We have flattened the curve, job done, now lets get out there with less restrictions and enjoy the summer.
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I think you are some kind of sociopathic amateur psychologist who is currently studying ways in which people can be triggered on social media platforms by carefully designed posts based on feedback from previous responses. You carry out extensive research not to inform your posts or counter arguments but to deploy at the appropriate points in threads as a sealioning technique.
I have watched the amount and contrariness (for want of a better word) of trigger points that you include in your posts change according to whom you reply and the length of the ongoing debate.
And you've managed to persist the ambiguity as to whether you are actually trolling or not for a considerable time, which is quite impressive I have to say.
A very interesting case study in dynamic trolling, I do believe... |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 14:04 - May 4 with 2485 views | jeera |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:52 - May 4 by brazil1982 |
He's making it up. |
Agree.
He's an attention seeking idiot. |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 14:11 - May 4 with 2475 views | jeera |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 18:33 - May 3 by Sarge |
I think it protects others but I think most people don’t need protecting. I think the most vulnerable should stay home and the rest of the world be opened up more (but not fully) to those willing to take the ‘risk’. However, since the vulnerable and those scared of catching it are still both going out in public for essential reasons, it would be irresponsible of me to increase my chances of potentially exposing them. However on the flip side I can think of many things I’m not currently allowed to do despite them posing no risk to anybody.
It might not make much sense because I’m struggling to articulate exactly how I feel. |
But someone isn't always known to be vulnerable until they have caught it and then died.
It's too late to be wishing afterwards that we all had made a bit of extra effort, or in some cases, no extra effort needed, just to do the same as most others are doing.
Some kid dies who may have an underlying condition so far undiscovered. Instead of living a life and maybe receiving treatment along the way as time plays out, he/she will be gone because someone leant over someone else in a shop somewhere, too impatient to wait a few seconds.
Plenty of people will be living normal lives unaware of a health condition that may not affect them for many years. But this thing could see them off.
I'm bored out of my skull frankly, but when I see families bombed from their homes Yemen and Syria and living in dust, I remind myself I'm bored out my skull, with carpets, a nice shower, TV, food, drink, bed... [Post edited 4 May 2020 16:48]
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 14:28 - May 4 with 2463 views | wellyblue |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 19:40 - May 3 by NotSure |
I think this has been a magnificent propaganda campaign by the government.
Really good 3 part slogan that people can remember.
I was acceptant for the first month but we are not complying anymore.
I wouldn’t call us resistant as we aren’t deliberately floughting the rules.
Happy to accept visitors, going out when I want and not bothered about being 2 metres away when I walk past people. You know, bit like Sweden.
But those percentages quoted will change very quickly as soon as the government change their advertising campaign. |
Much as I disagree with this, I know far to many people who are doing exactly the same, visiting close friends etc. I video called a friend last night and he had a mutual friend at his home.
There's a lot out there doing this, and they don't regard it as being 'resistant'.
I fall into the 'struggling but obeying category. [Post edited 4 May 2020 14:30]
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 14:31 - May 4 with 2452 views | SpruceMoose |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 14:28 - May 4 by wellyblue |
Much as I disagree with this, I know far to many people who are doing exactly the same, visiting close friends etc. I video called a friend last night and he had a mutual friend at his home.
There's a lot out there doing this, and they don't regard it as being 'resistant'.
I fall into the 'struggling but obeying category. [Post edited 4 May 2020 14:30]
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It's hardly a surprise.
The last decade in the UK has shown us all that, unfortunately, Britain (along with many other countries) has a large number of know it all, arrogant blowhards who think they know best and refuse to budge an inch when presented with evidence.
Instead of acting appropriately, they instead prefer to selfishly do whatever they want to do, while blubbing and crying about how they have it so tough.
I hate them, quite honestly. Just be glad they don't have easy access to assault weapons like they do over here. [Post edited 4 May 2020 14:36]
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 14:32 - May 4 with 2451 views | StokieBlue |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 14:28 - May 4 by wellyblue |
Much as I disagree with this, I know far to many people who are doing exactly the same, visiting close friends etc. I video called a friend last night and he had a mutual friend at his home.
There's a lot out there doing this, and they don't regard it as being 'resistant'.
I fall into the 'struggling but obeying category. [Post edited 4 May 2020 14:30]
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Well they should regard it in that way as they are only prolonging things for everyone else.
How hard is it to obey the rules for a few months?
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