| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers 18:11 - May 3 with 8285 views | bluelagos |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52501417
So the stats in the attached are
Accepters 48%
Struggling but obeying 44%
Resistant 9%
Where do you sit and why? Do you accept the govt line, or have you made up your own mind? Or is the threat of a fine enough for you to comply? Or is the social pressue to conform impacting you?
I'd say I am a reluctant accepter, following the advice as I believe it is correct, rather than because I worry about a fine...
You?
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 21:02 - May 3 with 1531 views | BloomBlue |
I'm obeying but I think the lockdown is wrong, I believe Countries like Hong Kong, Sweden & Japan have got it right and let the bodies natural immune system fight it as it has done for 200,000 years.
I also think the lockdown will kill more than no lockdown would.
However I accept the scientists disagree with that and have asked as to stay in, so I'm staying in. |  | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 21:11 - May 3 with 1526 views | LeoMuff |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 21:02 - May 3 by BloomBlue |
I'm obeying but I think the lockdown is wrong, I believe Countries like Hong Kong, Sweden & Japan have got it right and let the bodies natural immune system fight it as it has done for 200,000 years.
I also think the lockdown will kill more than no lockdown would.
However I accept the scientists disagree with that and have asked as to stay in, so I'm staying in. |
Well you really couldn’t be more wrong - 28000 dead in under 2 months in the uk, and that is with lockdown if didn’t lock down 100s of thousand dead, no way lockdown kills more. |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers (n/t) on 23:37 - May 3 with 1492 views | Sarge |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 20:02 - May 3 by Sarge |
I had a motorcycling trip around the NC500 and a football tournament in Portugal called off in June. I’ve still got a center parcs break with my family at the end of June on the cards but I don’t have high hopes. It’s the one I’ve been looking forward to most of the three so if I lose that as well I’ll be gutted. |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 23:38 - May 3 with 1491 views | Sarge |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 20:05 - May 3 by bluelagos |
You were looking forward more to a centre parcs trip than biking the NC500?
You need to wash yer mouth out Sarge. |
What can I say? Spending a week in the forest in a hot tub with my girlfriend, in the pub with my dad and playing sports with my brother has its appeals! | | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 23:46 - May 3 with 1490 views | Tonytown |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 19:40 - May 3 by NotSure |
I think this has been a magnificent propaganda campaign by the government.
Really good 3 part slogan that people can remember.
I was acceptant for the first month but we are not complying anymore.
I wouldn’t call us resistant as we aren’t deliberately floughting the rules.
Happy to accept visitors, going out when I want and not bothered about being 2 metres away when I walk past people. You know, bit like Sweden.
But those percentages quoted will change very quickly as soon as the government change their advertising campaign. |
Again you are a terrible human. Did you not read the thread from the other day, you know the one where you said that the dead were mostly economically inactive I think, where people explained why you were wrong?
If everyone behaved like you the NHS would collapse and there would be tens of thousands more deaths.
People like you make me despair.
Oh and your description of what you are doing may as well be the dictionary definition of flouting the rules.
I hope you enjoy your barbecue by the way you massive c*nt [Post edited 3 May 2020 23:50]
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 00:31 - May 4 with 1479 views | Trequartista |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 21:11 - May 3 by LeoMuff |
Well you really couldn’t be more wrong - 28000 dead in under 2 months in the uk, and that is with lockdown if didn’t lock down 100s of thousand dead, no way lockdown kills more. |
There is no evidence for there being hundreds of thousands dead. They are guesses. I am in agreement with lockdown, and therefore more in agreement with you, but you can't say people are wrong, there is no conclusive evidence of anything at this stage. |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 07:52 - May 4 with 1435 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It is most definately NOT a lockdown to pretend it is is plain daft.
The problem with our pretend lockdown is how do you ease it? You can't let people out at set times because they go out when they feel like it already.... you cant bring back limited public transport because virus filled buses and trains are trundling around already... you cant test and isolate because the people most likely to spread the virus are clapped and given priority in the supermarkets which the tens of millions of people isolating without the virus are then likely to catch.
Like everyone else I am waiting for the 'plateau' of 700 deaths a day to be acceptabler - and not wondering why other islands who did actually did have a lockdown - and more importantly locked down at the right time can manage not to kill thousands of their own citizens.
I'm also wonderring if there will be any attempt to protect people most at risk on the basis of say their ethnicity.... or is political correctness more important than political interpretation of 'the science' | |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 08:09 - May 4 with 1423 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Easy accepter here, have been rather lucky in that both me and the wife are continuing to work for companies who are very understanding about the challenges of WFH with a 2 year old running around and accepting that parts of the day will be lost. As for the boy it’s been great having more time to spend with him even if the lack of interaction with other children does worry me a bit
That said similar to another poster in the thread I have bent the rules on exercise and gone out twice occasionally |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 08:41 - May 4 with 1411 views | itfcjoe |
Accepter.
I've got it pretty easy though - not working whilst wife still is, financial hit almost non existent due to falling on right side of mortgage holidays (accepted), gym membership (frozen) and nursery fees (none apply) which is very different for most people
I have a nice size garden, a big open space out the front of my house and my two kids are at an age which is a bit challenging foe me (3 and 1) but not for them, they don't really care what is going on, they aren't really missing people and are just enjoying time at home.
I don't go out a huge amount as it is, mostly around sport, so am missing that but not massively.
I'm in the midst of doing uni assignments, but now been told that ratified modules up until now will form the floor of my degree classification so my understanding is as long as I pass I'm guaranteed a mark I'll be happy with. |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 08:46 - May 4 with 1407 views | itfcjoe |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 20:02 - May 3 by Sarge |
I had a motorcycling trip around the NC500 and a football tournament in Portugal called off in June. I’ve still got a center parcs break with my family at the end of June on the cards but I don’t have high hopes. It’s the one I’ve been looking forward to most of the three so if I lose that as well I’ll be gutted. |
I was due to be at Center Parcs today for a family trip for my birthday this week.
A bit gutted that I will miss the joys of a birthday bank holiday double, but a mate has had to cancel his wedding that day so can't grumble too much.
Only holiday I had planned this year other than that was Madeira in December/January so hoping that will be ok, and have moved Center Parcs back to November
We'd elected to not go abroad this year for main holiday as kids at an age where it is hard work so were just going to do a couple of UK breaks, very fortunate decision as are not having to try and chase things up | |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 08:53 - May 4 with 1393 views | Cotty |
9%.... the mind just boggles. How can people be so ignorant and selfish?! If you can't change your life for a few weeks when tens of thousands of people are dying, when doctors and nurses are literally laying down their lives, I.... I just have no words to adequately describe how I feel about these pathetic excuses for human beings. No punches being pulled on this one.
The worst bit about it is that it is highly likely that they will not bear the brunt of their ignorant actions, it will be felt by others that would otherwise not have been exposed. We all need to remember that these measures aren't designed to protect individuals from disease. The chances are that many of us will have had it by the time is over. These measures are there to protect others. Utter, utter, ignorant selfishness.
...and don't get me started on all of the armchair epidemiologists... |  | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:01 - May 4 with 1385 views | hampstead_blue |
Happy accepting lockdown.
We have to follow the rules. We are lucky as we live in the countryside so space is not a problem.
I'd like to see the locations of those who are resisting. It may have a lot to do with cramped conditions and no outside space. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:05 - May 4 with 1380 views | GeoffSentence |
Concerned acceptor
Lockdown has been pretty good to me, the negatives of missing football and french lessons have been balanced by the peaceful roads, clean air and bolder wildlife.
Just given the reduction in my number of daily contacts I am sure that lockdown must have made a huge difference to transmission rates.
However, I am concerned about the damage that lockdown is doing as well, people losing their livelihoods, negative affect impact on people's health and potentially ushering us towards a surveillance society.
Getting out of lockdown is a big concern too, we can't do it forever and I am a bit worried that lockdown could just be delaying the spread rather than dealing with it. If that delay gives us time to develop treatments and vaccines then it will have been worth it, but if not and we have another spike we could end up at a point where it is spreading wildly anyway and we cant afford to go back into lockdown. |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:08 - May 4 with 1375 views | EdwardStone |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 20:05 - May 3 by bluelagos |
You were looking forward more to a centre parcs trip than biking the NC500?
You need to wash yer mouth out Sarge. |
I believe that a trip with your missis to Center Parcs comes with a certain "promise"
I won't elaborate too much, common decency forbids it
But my advice is to take your own tube of KY jelly....the onsite shop charge a scandalous amount |  | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:09 - May 4 with 1374 views | GeoffSentence |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:08 - May 4 by EdwardStone |
I believe that a trip with your missis to Center Parcs comes with a certain "promise"
I won't elaborate too much, common decency forbids it
But my advice is to take your own tube of KY jelly....the onsite shop charge a scandalous amount |
Haha, are you referring to a notorious mumsnet thread? | |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:11 - May 4 with 1371 views | NotSure |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 23:46 - May 3 by Tonytown |
Again you are a terrible human. Did you not read the thread from the other day, you know the one where you said that the dead were mostly economically inactive I think, where people explained why you were wrong?
If everyone behaved like you the NHS would collapse and there would be tens of thousands more deaths.
People like you make me despair.
Oh and your description of what you are doing may as well be the dictionary definition of flouting the rules.
I hope you enjoy your barbecue by the way you massive c*nt [Post edited 3 May 2020 23:50]
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Do you even read what I wrote yesterday?
And you obviously didn't understand what I wrote last week.
The lockdown was observed to start with because I believed that the NHS was under severe pressure. The peak was around the 8th April and the curve has been flattened.
But this government are like rabbits in a headlight, obsessing over daily death figures rather than looking at the longer term.
You sound a bit scared and worried about this disease, so I will ignore the terrible abuse. |  | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:12 - May 4 with 1370 views | EdwardStone |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:09 - May 4 by GeoffSentence |
Haha, are you referring to a notorious mumsnet thread? |
Indeed....that site has opened my eyes to a whole new world
And as for fesshole….. | | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:15 - May 4 with 1369 views | GaryCooper |
The first casualty is always the truth.
The government have lied from day one, why should we have any faith in what they say on a daily basis?
struggling, obeying to a degree but fully realise that what the people are happily complying with, will cause long term damage to the country, this damage will cause more deaths than the lockdown saves. |  | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:24 - May 4 with 1352 views | bluelagos |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:15 - May 4 by GaryCooper |
The first casualty is always the truth.
The government have lied from day one, why should we have any faith in what they say on a daily basis?
struggling, obeying to a degree but fully realise that what the people are happily complying with, will cause long term damage to the country, this damage will cause more deaths than the lockdown saves. |
Those of us whose default position is to assume Boris and co. are indeed lying toerags - are having to make own judgements on whether the lockdown is necessary. I certainly don't take anything he ever says on face value, given his past record of sprouting whatever best suits himself.
But I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming at present, there would be huge numbers of deaths if we hadn't locked down. You only have to look at how the health systems in Italy were overwhelmed to see that.
That said, we can't lockdown until the deaths are down to nil (well we could, but given the side effects of the lockdown that would be ridiculous) so at some point we are going to have make a decision that the costs of continuing are outweighing the costs/risks of coming out.
What annoys me is when that debate is framed solely as financial costs v lives lost. The negatives of the lockdown are way more than just economic imho. | |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:25 - May 4 with 1342 views | GeoffSentence |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:12 - May 4 by EdwardStone |
Indeed....that site has opened my eyes to a whole new world
And as for fesshole….. |
I love fesshole and also it's baby brother anon_opin | |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:28 - May 4 with 1336 views | IpswichKnight |
reluctant accepter here also, totally get why we are doing it but it's getting a bit tiresome now and would very much like to see some light at the end of the tunnel ( Sunday coming will probably have that ).
I am lucky ( well not so much after yesterday when bikes back wheel punctured 6K into my 35K bike ride and now have to wait until Wednesday to get a new inner tube delivered ) I am still in full time work, I have a beautiful bit of countryside litreally over the road from where I live. I think our holiday to Slovenia and Croatia will be off but it's not until mid August so not sure on that yet. | | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:29 - May 4 with 1336 views | EdwardStone |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:25 - May 4 by GeoffSentence |
I love fesshole and also it's baby brother anon_opin |
I did try that anon one....I just couldn't get along with it
Just completely full of nonsensical judgemental cr*p
It was like listening to a tape recording of myself | | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:38 - May 4 with 1318 views | GaryCooper |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:24 - May 4 by bluelagos |
Those of us whose default position is to assume Boris and co. are indeed lying toerags - are having to make own judgements on whether the lockdown is necessary. I certainly don't take anything he ever says on face value, given his past record of sprouting whatever best suits himself.
But I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming at present, there would be huge numbers of deaths if we hadn't locked down. You only have to look at how the health systems in Italy were overwhelmed to see that.
That said, we can't lockdown until the deaths are down to nil (well we could, but given the side effects of the lockdown that would be ridiculous) so at some point we are going to have make a decision that the costs of continuing are outweighing the costs/risks of coming out.
What annoys me is when that debate is framed solely as financial costs v lives lost. The negatives of the lockdown are way more than just economic imho. |
If we cannot lockdown until deaths are zero then what is the point of lockdown? Covid-19 will hit again.
In effect there is no lockdown, are shop workers expendable? Have we suspended all international travel? Have care home workers been ordered to isolate completely? Have front line NHS workers been told to isolate completely? | | | |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:45 - May 4 with 1295 views | Dubtractor |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 18:19 - May 3 by Swansea_Blue |
Happy accepter here. I can still work and so put food on the table, we can go out for exercise and essential shopping, what's the problem? Sure, I'd like a nice holiday exploring (we were thinking of an eastern Europe/former Soviet States adventure this year, after our interrailing success last year and partly inspired by Race Across the World series 1. But it can wait, it'll still be there).
I must admit though, we're exceedingly lucky as our exercise is around Gower. I'm sure this experience is much more grim for a family stuck on an inner city estate somewhere. |
This is where I am.
Happily accepting, but it is easy to do so in my circumstances. I'm missing a lot of gigs, and undoubtedly there will be no music festivals this Summer, but I'll cope! |  |
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| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 09:46 - May 4 with 1293 views | StokieBlue |
| Lockdown acceptors / struggling obeyers on 19:40 - May 3 by NotSure |
I think this has been a magnificent propaganda campaign by the government.
Really good 3 part slogan that people can remember.
I was acceptant for the first month but we are not complying anymore.
I wouldn’t call us resistant as we aren’t deliberately floughting the rules.
Happy to accept visitors, going out when I want and not bothered about being 2 metres away when I walk past people. You know, bit like Sweden.
But those percentages quoted will change very quickly as soon as the government change their advertising campaign. |
So in summary, you're having people over thus increase the possible vectors of infection and then you are not bothering to stay 2m away and observe social distancing in public.
"I wouldn’t call us resistant as we aren’t deliberately floughting the rules."
You are deliberately flouting the rules by your own admission. An unbelievable amount of cognitive dissidence in that sentence.
It's incredibly selfish. Everyone is having to make changes, except you of course because why should you?
Shameful stuff.
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