| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... 10:01 - May 10 with 3800 views | itfcjoe |
....is how will that fit with any performance clauses in Lambert's contract.
Will he have missed targets, will Evans be able to get rid more cheaply than paying up a silly amount?
Guess the only way we'll know for sure is if he does get the boot, because even if Evans does have the opportunity to doesn't mean he'll take it. |  |
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:33 - May 10 with 603 views | Herbivore |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 11:10 - May 10 by Chrisd |
If we can see that he’s actually building something , playing more of our younger players and playing some decent attacking football, I’d be content to see us developing even if that means 1 or 2 seasons at this level before getting promoted. Currently, we aren’t good enough and are a long way short of competing in the Championship with this squad. |
He's been here over 18 months and there's no indication that he's building anything. Only 5 sides in this league have given fewer minutes to young players than we have. He's not a rookie manager who needs time to learn the job, he's a gun for hire on big money, but sadly he ran out of ammo years ago. |  |
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:35 - May 10 with 600 views | Chrisd |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:33 - May 10 by Herbivore |
He's been here over 18 months and there's no indication that he's building anything. Only 5 sides in this league have given fewer minutes to young players than we have. He's not a rookie manager who needs time to learn the job, he's a gun for hire on big money, but sadly he ran out of ammo years ago. |
More hope than expectation. |  |
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:41 - May 10 with 590 views | hector_clifford |
I think if he was thinking of letting him go, he may wait for another club to part ways with their manager first, and let them take any negative press.
You could argue, that during these times, it would seem a little unfair to sack a manager, albeit completely warranted if he had been sacked earlier in the season. | |
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:43 - May 10 with 583 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:41 - May 10 by hector_clifford |
I think if he was thinking of letting him go, he may wait for another club to part ways with their manager first, and let them take any negative press.
You could argue, that during these times, it would seem a little unfair to sack a manager, albeit completely warranted if he had been sacked earlier in the season. |
Some clubs have already parted company with their managers. |  |
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:50 - May 10 with 563 views | hector_clifford |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:43 - May 10 by ITFC_Forever |
Some clubs have already parted company with their managers. |
Sorry I didn't realise that, were they mutual consent decisions?
Just looked, and Graeme Jones left Luton by mutual consent at the end of April, but no others and no sackings since Graham Westley from Stevenage in February.
I can't see Lambert mutually agreeing to leave though. [Post edited 10 May 2020 15:12]
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 15:52 - May 10 with 537 views | BlueBadger |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:18 - May 10 by Chrisd |
To be fair, if we’d gone up this season that squad would’ve needed a major overhaul even to survive in the Championship. [Post edited 10 May 2020 14:30]
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True enough, but we'd have stood a chance of holding onto the likes of Downes whilst we did it. |  |
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 16:17 - May 10 with 520 views | Pablokuqi |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 13:48 - May 10 by BlueBadger |
'Up again or bust' should have always been the strategy. The longer we stay, the less likely we ever are to return to even the upper echelons of the Championship, let alone anything else.
As a savings exercise, staying t he third division makes no sense at all - crowds are smaller, revenues are smaller and outgoing transfer fees are smaller and likely to be minimal in the wake of any post-pandemic squeeze on money.
Hanging on to Lambert will all but guarantee we stay down. He's a busted flush of a manager who's offered nothing by way of progress or plan over the whole of his tenure. Even allowing for the poor hand he was dealt, he's performed appallingly. His only successes have been in the press box and at the negotiating table when his own contract was up for discussion. |
I don't disagree. I am trying to get into the mindset of ME. I think budget is clearly the biggest priority and as we have seen in recent years that will not be broken even if we are the verge of the Premier League. A manager prepared to work within the budget and not rock the boat with fans or players seems to be the priority. What league we are in seems to be an afterthought!
As many have said if we had gone up, we have come straight back down without considerable investment and he is no longer willing to put that sort of money in which is his prerogative. A slow and steady build with young and talented players is the strategy so when we go up those players can keep us up. To do that we also need a talented manager capable of instilling a consistent progressive style of play which is echoed throughout the club. Paul Lambert is not that man. | | | |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 17:00 - May 10 with 497 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 16:17 - May 10 by Pablokuqi |
I don't disagree. I am trying to get into the mindset of ME. I think budget is clearly the biggest priority and as we have seen in recent years that will not be broken even if we are the verge of the Premier League. A manager prepared to work within the budget and not rock the boat with fans or players seems to be the priority. What league we are in seems to be an afterthought!
As many have said if we had gone up, we have come straight back down without considerable investment and he is no longer willing to put that sort of money in which is his prerogative. A slow and steady build with young and talented players is the strategy so when we go up those players can keep us up. To do that we also need a talented manager capable of instilling a consistent progressive style of play which is echoed throughout the club. Paul Lambert is not that man. |
A slow and steady build doesn't happen these days, especially for a L1 club. The reality is that any young player that has a half competent season is going to be difficult to hold onto. | | | |
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 17:17 - May 10 with 486 views | Pablokuqi |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 17:00 - May 10 by tractorboy1978 |
A slow and steady build doesn't happen these days, especially for a L1 club. The reality is that any young player that has a half competent season is going to be difficult to hold onto. |
I think ME likes to use parallels. If x can do it why can't we. In my opinion Sheff Utd is his current x. | | | |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 17:58 - May 10 with 470 views | BlueBadger |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 17:17 - May 10 by Pablokuqi |
I think ME likes to use parallels. If x can do it why can't we. In my opinion Sheff Utd is his current x. |
The answer to his question is 'because you employ desperately incompetent managers and support them for far, far too long and fail to back your competent ones, whilst not having any kind of sense to make positive changes to club infrastructure to allow it to be more self-sufficient, players-wise Marcus'. | |
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 18:54 - May 10 with 446 views | Bramidan |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 17:58 - May 10 by BlueBadger |
The answer to his question is 'because you employ desperately incompetent managers and support them for far, far too long and fail to back your competent ones, whilst not having any kind of sense to make positive changes to club infrastructure to allow it to be more self-sufficient, players-wise Marcus'. |
But you are all forgetting his early season rotation policy which would have ensured maximium points from the remaining games.
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| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 11:27 - May 11 with 387 views | Chocorange |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 14:50 - May 10 by hector_clifford |
Sorry I didn't realise that, were they mutual consent decisions?
Just looked, and Graeme Jones left Luton by mutual consent at the end of April, but no others and no sackings since Graham Westley from Stevenage in February.
I can't see Lambert mutually agreeing to leave though. [Post edited 10 May 2020 15:12]
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I wouldn’t be surprised if we ( and many other clubs) followed Luton’s model as soon as the season Is scrapped.
Heavily reduced income coming in, lost revenue from more home games that didn’t get played this season than any other team in league 1 and 2, the liklihood of much reduced income next season , means clubs will have to cut costs greatly and wherever they can.
IF the Mail report is right and Lambert is on 550k , that’s way too much for a league 1 side in the new climate , so any way out of that contract is likely to be found, whether through clauses or mutual agreement.
If he does not find a way out of it then Lamberts 550k plus other coaching staff salaries would be a huge cost for the next 4 seasons , at a time when income will be far less than budgeted.
Wage and salary budgets will have to be much lower next season, and maybe the season after that too and into the future.
We may not even need a manager or coaching staff until August or later if next season is delayed .
Getting rid of all of the coaching staff means budgets can be set( and recruited for ) much more tightly with no outgoings until absolutely necessary.
There will likely be a number of managers who become available for the same reason, some of which may well do a much better job than Lambert ( and his coaching team) at much less cost .
The broad opinion seems to be most fans would prefer a new manager , if this was the case , would there also be more fans inclined to buy a season ticket than if Lambert is still here?
All this ME will be thinking through. |  | | |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 11:33 - May 11 with 382 views | Bluefish |
| Biggest question to come out of abandoning the league season.... on 11:27 - May 11 by Chocorange |
I wouldn’t be surprised if we ( and many other clubs) followed Luton’s model as soon as the season Is scrapped.
Heavily reduced income coming in, lost revenue from more home games that didn’t get played this season than any other team in league 1 and 2, the liklihood of much reduced income next season , means clubs will have to cut costs greatly and wherever they can.
IF the Mail report is right and Lambert is on 550k , that’s way too much for a league 1 side in the new climate , so any way out of that contract is likely to be found, whether through clauses or mutual agreement.
If he does not find a way out of it then Lamberts 550k plus other coaching staff salaries would be a huge cost for the next 4 seasons , at a time when income will be far less than budgeted.
Wage and salary budgets will have to be much lower next season, and maybe the season after that too and into the future.
We may not even need a manager or coaching staff until August or later if next season is delayed .
Getting rid of all of the coaching staff means budgets can be set( and recruited for ) much more tightly with no outgoings until absolutely necessary.
There will likely be a number of managers who become available for the same reason, some of which may well do a much better job than Lambert ( and his coaching team) at much less cost .
The broad opinion seems to be most fans would prefer a new manager , if this was the case , would there also be more fans inclined to buy a season ticket than if Lambert is still here?
All this ME will be thinking through. |
Paul Jewell and Paul Hurst would both be cheaper and do a better job. Hopefully we find someone better though |  |
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