| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement 18:27 - Jun 21 with 7085 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
If you couple this with the fact the last time this country voted in a Government remotely left of centre was well over 40 years ago, I take it we live in an openly racist country.
How can caring about black people being murdered by the police and institutional racism generally be a "hard left" issue? How can we repeatedly elect Governments that support this ideology?
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| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:44 - Jun 22 with 581 views | Half_Idiot |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 13:57 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue |
indeed, it's complicated isn't it. also arrests by age and arrests by location. if you are under 25 and live in london you're more likely to be arrested than if you're older and live un the rest of the uk. also in london knife crime, gun crime and gang crime are quite localised to smaller areas and account for a high proportion of arrests. there is a complex pattern of crime and socio-economic disadvantage and that goes a long way in explaining differential arrest rates by race. |
This is why there is a need to restructure the system. If young people from poor communities truly had equal opportunities then they'd be less likely to resort to criminal activity. |  | | |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:49 - Jun 22 with 563 views | lowhouseblue |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:44 - Jun 22 by Half_Idiot |
This is why there is a need to restructure the system. If young people from poor communities truly had equal opportunities then they'd be less likely to resort to criminal activity. |
indeed. socio-economic inequality is a large part of the problem - it explains much of the different life chances people face. and social mobility has stopped for many. |  |
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| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:56 - Jun 22 with 542 views | Bellevueblue |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:35 - Jun 22 by Herbivore |
Changing the system is surely part of the remit when tackling systemic racism, no? Capitalism and exploitation go hand in hand. |
I'm struggling to argue for an economic system I'm not particularly a fan of but I don't think that capitalism on paper is racist.
The structures of our society are racist and have suppressed opportunity for minorities to better themselves, capitalism has allowed this exploitation of minorities for the benefit of many but true equity could improve lives under a capitalist society.
Couldn't these changes happen within a social democracy? Obviously that haven't so far but has there been any real motivation to change things? | | | |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:58 - Jun 22 with 534 views | Bellevueblue |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:39 - Jun 22 by Half_Idiot |
If a building is subsiding you can't just continually fix the cracks when they appear, sometimes you have to tear it down and start again. |
I'm not sure that analogy works when you could just underpin the foundations | | | |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 16:06 - Jun 22 with 517 views | Half_Idiot |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:58 - Jun 22 by Bellevueblue |
I'm not sure that analogy works when you could just underpin the foundations |
Even doing that you'll still have to fix the damage already caused. Anyway, I think my last comment shows it better. | | | |
| According to comments I read BLM is a on 16:09 - Jun 22 with 509 views | Herbivore |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:56 - Jun 22 by Bellevueblue |
I'm struggling to argue for an economic system I'm not particularly a fan of but I don't think that capitalism on paper is racist.
The structures of our society are racist and have suppressed opportunity for minorities to better themselves, capitalism has allowed this exploitation of minorities for the benefit of many but true equity could improve lives under a capitalist society.
Couldn't these changes happen within a social democracy? Obviously that haven't so far but has there been any real motivation to change things? |
Capitalism is fundamentally based on inequality though, I'm not sure how you go about using it to create a level playing field. I think if you want radical change and genuine equality, which BLM quite rightly do, then challenging the capitalist system is a legitimate part of that. Ironically a lot of the people who take issue with BLM haven't really benefited from capitalism either, but the Sun tells them it's brown people's fault they haven't prospered rather than structural inequality. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 16:34]
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| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 16:21 - Jun 22 with 497 views | Darth_Koont |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 15:56 - Jun 22 by Bellevueblue |
I'm struggling to argue for an economic system I'm not particularly a fan of but I don't think that capitalism on paper is racist.
The structures of our society are racist and have suppressed opportunity for minorities to better themselves, capitalism has allowed this exploitation of minorities for the benefit of many but true equity could improve lives under a capitalist society.
Couldn't these changes happen within a social democracy? Obviously that haven't so far but has there been any real motivation to change things? |
Capitalism itself doesn't care about colour. But it is unbalanced without "socialism" and the desire for fairness and social justice.
There is evidence that unfettered capitalism can work very well in developing countries as it creates entirely new opportunities that help democratise and break down old systems of power. But in developed countries these developed structures and power are reinforced as it's a system where the more you win, the more likely you are to win the next day. And vice versa for those who lose.
These structures need balancing and reforming through social justice to redistribute the wealth and value a capitalist system can create. Which is central to the countries that are not only increasingly healthier and happier than us in the UK but are also performing better and better prepared for the future than us. |  |
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| According to comments I read BLM is a on 19:32 - Jun 22 with 458 views | eireblue |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 14:46 - Jun 22 by hampstead_blue |
the serious amount of implication is darn near enough.
Sorry, but he doesn't know me from a biro so ought to be more respectful when it comes to throwing such vile words at someone who's not a racist bone in their body.
Would that person spurt out such a strong phrase in a public setting, at someone they do not really know? I'd hope not and they ought to feel bad.
If he met me he would feel embarrassed and ashamed. TBH there is a group on here who ought to feel ashamed of themselves at the twisting and wholly incorrect statements they make of some of us who dare speak their minds. |
Let’s set this in context.
There is a world wide movement, based on years of provable institutional racism, that has it roots going back hundreds of years.
BAME people are under represented in most statistics, except for things like likelihood to be arrested.
Rather than consider that, internalise it, understand that thousands of BAME people peacefully protested.
You balanced the evidence and the protests of thousands of people, with a couple of ex-coppers.
Why?
Why does the real world experience of thousands of people over decades, get dismissed by you, because you, a white middle class male, had a conversation with a couple of mates?
If you can’t see what is in front of you for what it is, remember there are no neutral positions.
You are racist or anti-racist.
Have a think, then decide if you should be giving rather than asking for an apology based on your comments.
And yes, I would say everything I have ever written, to your face. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 19:36]
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| According to comments I read BLM is a on 19:43 - Jun 22 with 440 views | SpruceMoose |
| According to comments I read BLM is a on 19:32 - Jun 22 by eireblue |
Let’s set this in context.
There is a world wide movement, based on years of provable institutional racism, that has it roots going back hundreds of years.
BAME people are under represented in most statistics, except for things like likelihood to be arrested.
Rather than consider that, internalise it, understand that thousands of BAME people peacefully protested.
You balanced the evidence and the protests of thousands of people, with a couple of ex-coppers.
Why?
Why does the real world experience of thousands of people over decades, get dismissed by you, because you, a white middle class male, had a conversation with a couple of mates?
If you can’t see what is in front of you for what it is, remember there are no neutral positions.
You are racist or anti-racist.
Have a think, then decide if you should be giving rather than asking for an apology based on your comments.
And yes, I would say everything I have ever written, to your face. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 19:36]
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| According to comments I read BLM is a on 20:21 - Jun 22 with 406 views | monytowbray |
| According to comments I read BLM is a on 19:32 - Jun 22 by eireblue |
Let’s set this in context.
There is a world wide movement, based on years of provable institutional racism, that has it roots going back hundreds of years.
BAME people are under represented in most statistics, except for things like likelihood to be arrested.
Rather than consider that, internalise it, understand that thousands of BAME people peacefully protested.
You balanced the evidence and the protests of thousands of people, with a couple of ex-coppers.
Why?
Why does the real world experience of thousands of people over decades, get dismissed by you, because you, a white middle class male, had a conversation with a couple of mates?
If you can’t see what is in front of you for what it is, remember there are no neutral positions.
You are racist or anti-racist.
Have a think, then decide if you should be giving rather than asking for an apology based on your comments.
And yes, I would say everything I have ever written, to your face. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 19:36]
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Put that in a bottle and sell it. That sh*t is spicy. |  |
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| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 20:23 - Jun 22 with 404 views | monytowbray |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 09:55 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue |
such as? |
I mean, look around you! | |
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| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 23:02 - Jun 22 with 361 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 11:44 - Jun 22 by hampstead_blue |
Sorry but how can you call me a racist.
I'd suggest that is removed and an apology forthcoming. |
I think I said you need to look at your comments and see why some people see you as being racist.
Nothing to withdraw there. How did you get on with reviewing some of your comments especially:
"Are you saying that Dalian Atkinson was murdered?";
"Every country has racist elements. It's something you will never eradicate. Never. Well, unless you like the idea of Orwell's 1984 that is.
If you really think this country is that bad then you've been on the Kool Aid or sucking on BLM propaganda chews." which really reads as "it is worse elsewhere black people should appreciate it isn't any worse than it is." "We are in a good place compared to the majority of the former Eastern block and that's just close to home." A plane flew over the Etihad tonight saying "white lives matter". A man stood at a war memorial in Felixstowe giving a Nazi salute. If you cannot see racism prominently displayed in this country you have your eyes shut. I don't care if North Korea is less democratic than the UK - if democracy came under threat saying it's OK we are better than North Korea would be a terrifying response.
I didn't actually say you are a racist but you seem to be doubling down on comments that excuse racism. | |
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| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 23:09 - Jun 22 with 359 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 11:51 - Jun 22 by hampstead_blue |
I agree.
I've mates from years back who have just finished 30 year careers in Essex Police.
I'd suggest those who call out 'Police are racist' go along and see serving and retired Police officers and ask them if they are?
They tell me that those types of statements are utter rubbish.
Bad apples. Yes, of course. My Sect Commander in basic training, a Cpl, was a racist. He was soon drummed out of the Army via the Glasshouse for such behaviour. I never saw racism outside of him.
The politicians and business leaders are somewhat tied-up by this argument.
If they stand-up and say that it's potentially overblown then they themselves will be lynched. They cannot win. They have to accept everything an angry mob has to say, 100%.
We need to be sensible about this argument and not get carried away by baying mobs. |
I know ex police officers who I would say are not racist but you misunderstand. There is clear evidence of practice that is racist. Whether that is through lack of forethought and training or through individuals that are racist or to what degree it is one over the other is possibly difficult to determine without far closer examination than we get.
It is the refusal to accept that there is a problem that gets the goat. Knowing individuals that are not racist does not mean there is no problem. | |
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| According to comments I read BLM is a on 23:14 - Jun 22 with 354 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| According to comments I read BLM is a "hard left" movement on 14:46 - Jun 22 by hampstead_blue |
the serious amount of implication is darn near enough.
Sorry, but he doesn't know me from a biro so ought to be more respectful when it comes to throwing such vile words at someone who's not a racist bone in their body.
Would that person spurt out such a strong phrase in a public setting, at someone they do not really know? I'd hope not and they ought to feel bad.
If he met me he would feel embarrassed and ashamed. TBH there is a group on here who ought to feel ashamed of themselves at the twisting and wholly incorrect statements they make of some of us who dare speak their minds. |
To be fair, if someone I didn't know was making overtly racist remarks I would call them a racist. Yes. Depending on context depends how I would handle the situation but I would like to think I would not simply stand by and allow someone to treat someone else badly because of the colour of their skin.
I am sorry you see this as a lack of respect. I see it as being a decent human being.
EDIT: and today I still don't feel any less ashamed to be British. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 23:22]
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