| This Dawn Butler incident 23:36 - Aug 9 with 28760 views | ElderGrizzly |
She edited a video to make it look like she was driving, claimed racial profiling when the fuller video shows the driver to 1, not be her and 2 to be white.
The Police are asking to release their bodycam footage
Original, not ‘flipped’ footage here
And the plea from the Met Police Federation
Racism is a huge problem, but appearing to engineer an issue is worse
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:50 - Aug 11 with 1055 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:47 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
Don't be silly.
That's like saying capitalism in 2020 is anti-society. Clearly bobbins. |
you've got me here because I dont understand your words |  | | |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:52 - Aug 11 with 1045 views | Herbivore |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:49 - Aug 11 by jaseitfc2015 |
no because there's a difference between far right & centre right .
Angela Merkel is centre right do you bunch her in with the far right AfD? Your logic here rather stupidly suggests you do |
And there's a difference between far left and centre left. And at no point has Labour, even under Corbyn, been the former. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:52 - Aug 11 with 1043 views | jeera |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:42 - Aug 11 by jaseitfc2015 |
Again, you're describing social democracy not socialism.
Social democracy appreciates capitalism
Socialism wants to "burn it down" [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 20:44]
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I don't want to get involved in this sh1t but that's simply not true.
To many socialism is exactly that - democratic. That's the whole point. And can work just fine alongside an element of capitalism. No need to burn anything down, just to instill a few standards and tweak the approach.
Nothing wrong with the private owner of a successful company who treats its employees properly, pays them accordingly and looks out for their long-term interests.
If you want to look at an extreme example of 'socialism' and consider that to be the true and only definition then that would be incorrect.
Communism/socialism, get used interchangeably but it really does matter whose version you're looking at. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:55 - Aug 11 with 1032 views | Darth_Koont |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:39 - Aug 11 by jaseitfc2015 |
When someone on the far left says stuff like "burn down the system" & "end capitalism" and rejects anything other than socialism, even rejects centre-left keir starmer/blairite Labour, what else is to be concluded?
Change the strap lines & hollow rhetoric if that's not what you actually want |
Read Keir's platform for the leadership election.
https://keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/
You appear to have little idea what modern socialism is. Yes, it may raise taxes and otherwise impinge on a free-market with legislation. But nowhere is this saying "end capitalism".
And I don't necessarily blame you for seeing socialism as something else — we must be the most politically illiterate country in Western Europe by now. And we don't even understand what a functioning representative democracy is either. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:07 - Aug 11 with 985 views | giant_stow |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:45 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
I actually find that offensive. You and others missed your chance to actually get behind Labour rather than making up reasons to usher successively worse Tory governments in. And until you give half a sh!t about the challenges facing people around the UK then I'll still keep telling you to own it.
New Labour did reduce the number of children living in poverty but fell well short of reversing it in any meaningful sense. With the economy doing well there was spending on benefits and tax credits but they singularly failed to address the underlying equalities so that child poverty just increased again when the money was turned off. In fact under New Labour overall inequality increased so it was inevitable we were going to stick with the same direction of travel after they left.
That's just one of several reasons that I consider the New Labour governments to be a massive failed opportunity and a poor legacy from 13 years in power. Not least because they've lost way too much political capital as a result. |
I'm sorry if you find that offensive, but I'm fed up with the personel stuff. Anyway, this has got silly now and I don't doubt your heart's in the right place. I'm gonna try avoiding replying to posts of yours on this sort of stuff from now on as we fundamentally disagree. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:08 - Aug 11 with 983 views | Darth_Koont |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:07 - Aug 11 by giant_stow |
I'm sorry if you find that offensive, but I'm fed up with the personel stuff. Anyway, this has got silly now and I don't doubt your heart's in the right place. I'm gonna try avoiding replying to posts of yours on this sort of stuff from now on as we fundamentally disagree. |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:11 - Aug 11 with 957 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:55 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
Read Keir's platform for the leadership election.
https://keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/
You appear to have little idea what modern socialism is. Yes, it may raise taxes and otherwise impinge on a free-market with legislation. But nowhere is this saying "end capitalism".
And I don't necessarily blame you for seeing socialism as something else — we must be the most politically illiterate country in Western Europe by now. And we don't even understand what a functioning representative democracy is either. |
Just in this thread you have socialists who perceive it different to you
Clean your own side of the street & agree how to define socialism with them, then come back to me. | | | |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:13 - Aug 11 with 948 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:52 - Aug 11 by jeera |
I don't want to get involved in this sh1t but that's simply not true.
To many socialism is exactly that - democratic. That's the whole point. And can work just fine alongside an element of capitalism. No need to burn anything down, just to instill a few standards and tweak the approach.
Nothing wrong with the private owner of a successful company who treats its employees properly, pays them accordingly and looks out for their long-term interests.
If you want to look at an extreme example of 'socialism' and consider that to be the true and only definition then that would be incorrect.
Communism/socialism, get used interchangeably but it really does matter whose version you're looking at. |
My comments simply react to some "socialists" comments in this thread | | | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:14 - Aug 11 with 939 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 20:52 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
And there's a difference between far left and centre left. And at no point has Labour, even under Corbyn, been the former. |
corbyn personally maybe not, sectiom of his support though are far left | | | |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:15 - Aug 11 with 932 views | Herbivore |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:14 - Aug 11 by jaseitfc2015 |
corbyn personally maybe not, sectiom of his support though are far left |
And a section of those who support Johnson are far right. Do you need me to join the dots? This is basic stuff here. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:15 - Aug 11 with 931 views | Darth_Koont |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 21:11 - Aug 11 by jaseitfc2015 |
Just in this thread you have socialists who perceive it different to you
Clean your own side of the street & agree how to define socialism with them, then come back to me. |
Nah I'm alright.
It's your own definition of socialism that you're struggling with. | |
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