| This Dawn Butler incident 23:36 - Aug 9 with 28753 views | ElderGrizzly |
She edited a video to make it look like she was driving, claimed racial profiling when the fuller video shows the driver to 1, not be her and 2 to be white.
The Police are asking to release their bodycam footage
Original, not ‘flipped’ footage here
And the plea from the Met Police Federation
Racism is a huge problem, but appearing to engineer an issue is worse
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:44 - Aug 10 with 2159 views | GeoffSentence |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:39 - Aug 10 by longtimefan |
The original Guardian article that suggested she was driving has now been edited. |
Good job too. I can't for the life of me think why The Guardian would have posted the flipped video, it must surely have been an error on their part. Heaven knows who flipped it and why. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:47 - Aug 10 with 2150 views | monytowbray |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:42 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
“The left and the right are two cheeks on the same arse” - Fence sitters and bootlickers, multiple years. |
If it was front camera there is a high chance it was filmed mirrored.
I can almost bet that’s your answer right there. No one flipped it but it helps the far right to claim it was.
I just wish people would spend more time discussing institutional racial bias and less time contributing to institutional racial bias.
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:47 - Aug 10 with 2148 views | Herbivore |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:44 - Aug 10 by GeoffSentence |
Good job too. I can't for the life of me think why The Guardian would have posted the flipped video, it must surely have been an error on their part. Heaven knows who flipped it and why. |
Unless the original video was flipped if she was using the selfie camera and she's subsequently flipped it so that it looks right? I hope it's all innocuous as trying to manufacture the situation to look worse benefits nobody and gives fuel to those who for some reason get really angry about racism being highlighted. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 13:16 - Aug 10 with 2071 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:40 - Aug 10 by LankHenners |
"Racism is a huge problem, but appearing to engineer an issue is worse". FFS surely you can see that's on a par with the 'I'm not racist but...' line that gets trotted out by, er, racists?
The Met's official statement says they entered the number plate on their computer wrong which showed the car as being registered in Yorkshire, without offering an explanation as to why it was checked in the first place or why being from Yorkshire is worth being stopped for.
Always the way with things like this that people far removed from any facet of the situation like to lecture the people involved (or have been involved in similar incidents) on why they're wrong. |
Hear here. I recall during the Margaret Hodge episode a poster on here saying antisemitism is bad but playing the antisemitism card (when in this posters opinion it wasn’t valid) is worse.
Glad to see people now agreeing that sort of statement puts them on the same side as the racists. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 13:22 - Aug 10 with 2052 views | LankHenners |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 13:16 - Aug 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Hear here. I recall during the Margaret Hodge episode a poster on here saying antisemitism is bad but playing the antisemitism card (when in this posters opinion it wasn’t valid) is worse.
Glad to see people now agreeing that sort of statement puts them on the same side as the racists. |
I would say trying to turn a thread into a re-litigation of a spat between posters on the board without commenting on the actual matter in hand isn't a great look either. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 13:25 - Aug 10 with 2041 views | monytowbray |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 13:22 - Aug 10 by LankHenners |
I would say trying to turn a thread into a re-litigation of a spat between posters on the board without commenting on the actual matter in hand isn't a great look either. |
If you do the same to him over recent comments he's still not took ownership of he'll report it and get the post deleted. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 13:47 - Aug 10 with 1991 views | Radlett_blue |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:30 - Aug 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I am not sure she ever made out she was driving. It seemed obvious to me when I saw the footage that the man was behind the wheel. He looked probably white but wasn't clearly shown. I did feel she was possibly making more of it than it actually was for the following reasons:
the footage was clearly cut and did not show the whole incident;
the officer remained very calm and did not get at all defensive which in many of the more clearly profiled incidents they appear to have done.
If they were pulled over for no good reason but with the passenger being black playing some part, then it is still racist. However, without full context it is difficult to know here. She does have a vested interest too being shadow equalities minister. If she has misrepresented it then that is foolish and unfortunate. If she has misinterpreted the situation then it is unfortunate. If there is racial profiling here then the officers should be spoken to about it. The video is in and of itself at best unclear. |
Would anyone be happy if they were pulled over by the police for no good reason, had their car keys taken & the police wrongly claimed the car was registered hundreds of miles away so might be stolen? If you are an ethnic minority & this sort of thing happens regularly to you, totally understandable that you consider the police to be racist. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 13:52 - Aug 10 with 1983 views | Darth_Koont |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 13:16 - Aug 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Hear here. I recall during the Margaret Hodge episode a poster on here saying antisemitism is bad but playing the antisemitism card (when in this posters opinion it wasn’t valid) is worse.
Glad to see people now agreeing that sort of statement puts them on the same side as the racists. |
That sounds predictably inaccurate and designed to smear.
Bit like Hodge's "200" complaints about Labour antisemitism that turned into 20. And FWIW yes, antisemitism is very bad and *should* be taken very seriously. Not just bandied around for political points and used to deflect criticism of a pretty distasteful and racist Israeli government. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 14:17 - Aug 10 with 1932 views | tractordownsouth |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:32 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
Who needs state sponsored propaganda when some citizens will do the job for free aye?
TWTD’s “yeah but” with racism is getting quite tiring.
I see Keir’s had FA to say so far. I guess the centralists have their corporate donor loving plant who won’t challenge the system too much in place though.
Roll on 30 years when we look back at this period during global food shortages and even grosser wealth equality than we have now. Perhaps then we can all say “perhaps we should have voted for the socialist?”
Bookmark this post. Revisiting old posts of mine is always a fun game of hindsight. |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 14:26 - Aug 10 with 1901 views | monytowbray |
That's good, better late than never I guess. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 14:47 - Aug 10 with 1865 views | GeoffSentence |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 14:26 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
That's good, better late than never I guess. |
Also better to have a considered response than a knee-jerk one. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 15:24 - Aug 10 with 1820 views | monytowbray |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 14:47 - Aug 10 by GeoffSentence |
Also better to have a considered response than a knee-jerk one. |
I think it could have been better to put to bed the rabid Tory Lite voters of the party sooner, I've been watching this unfold on Twitter all weekend and it really shows the divide in Labour again, particularly from the side that thought Corbyn was evil. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 15:29 - Aug 10 with 1814 views | itfcjoe |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 15:24 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
I think it could have been better to put to bed the rabid Tory Lite voters of the party sooner, I've been watching this unfold on Twitter all weekend and it really shows the divide in Labour again, particularly from the side that thought Corbyn was evil. |
Ditto, but in my echo chamber compared to yours it really shows up the side that worshipped Corbyn.
Dawn Butler tweeted that it had happened at 12:18pm on Sunday, Keir Starmer tweeted about it at 13:46 on Monday, so just more than 24 hours after it had happened.
He also confirmed that he had 'reached out' to Dawn Butler yesterday, i.e. the day of the incident.
Some people can't win, they react quickly and are told it's reactionary, slowly and they have ignored it (even from Sunday lunch to Monday lunch)
The right message has been put out, the time frame is/was fine, and now he has to ensure he continues to act on it. |  |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 15:36 - Aug 10 with 1805 views | jaykay |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 13:22 - Aug 10 by LankHenners |
I would say trying to turn a thread into a re-litigation of a spat between posters on the board without commenting on the actual matter in hand isn't a great look either. |
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| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:13 - Aug 10 with 1753 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:42 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
“The left and the right are two cheeks on the same arse” - Fence sitters and bootlickers, multiple years. |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:14 - Aug 10 with 1751 views | LankHenners |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 15:29 - Aug 10 by itfcjoe |
Ditto, but in my echo chamber compared to yours it really shows up the side that worshipped Corbyn.
Dawn Butler tweeted that it had happened at 12:18pm on Sunday, Keir Starmer tweeted about it at 13:46 on Monday, so just more than 24 hours after it had happened.
He also confirmed that he had 'reached out' to Dawn Butler yesterday, i.e. the day of the incident.
Some people can't win, they react quickly and are told it's reactionary, slowly and they have ignored it (even from Sunday lunch to Monday lunch)
The right message has been put out, the time frame is/was fine, and now he has to ensure he continues to act on it. |
It's not unreasonable to expect the leader of the party to show some solidarity with one of his MPs on the same day they report an allegation of racial profiling and receive a shed load of racist abuse for doing so.
That his belated response is so lukewarm sort of proves he could have said it yesterday. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:21 - Aug 10 with 1736 views | ElderGrizzly |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 11:40 - Aug 10 by LankHenners |
"Racism is a huge problem, but appearing to engineer an issue is worse". FFS surely you can see that's on a par with the 'I'm not racist but...' line that gets trotted out by, er, racists?
The Met's official statement says they entered the number plate on their computer wrong which showed the car as being registered in Yorkshire, without offering an explanation as to why it was checked in the first place or why being from Yorkshire is worth being stopped for.
Always the way with things like this that people far removed from any facet of the situation like to lecture the people involved (or have been involved in similar incidents) on why they're wrong. |
So you're saying i’m racist? Given my posting history that’s quite a reach, but there you go.
I explained what i meant clearer in a later post to prevent this type of response too.
The MET explained it was linked to drugs being brought into Hackney from outside the borough. In almost every article too they state this and the Yorkshire point is irrelevant, it was the out of borough point they picked up on for the search.
Anyway, i’m sure we all hope racism isn’t at play here in the stop. | | | |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:24 - Aug 10 with 1715 views | monytowbray |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:14 - Aug 10 by LankHenners |
It's not unreasonable to expect the leader of the party to show some solidarity with one of his MPs on the same day they report an allegation of racial profiling and receive a shed load of racist abuse for doing so.
That his belated response is so lukewarm sort of proves he could have said it yesterday. |
A "it's being looked into and I take it seriously" would have done the job. No taking sides, just acknowledging the incident. Buys some time for a response and avoids opinions being formed like my/your own.
The abuse she took and is still taking from her own party shows Labour's issues weren't exclusively Corbyn to anyone on the fence IMO. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:28 - Aug 10 with 1704 views | LankHenners |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:21 - Aug 10 by ElderGrizzly |
So you're saying i’m racist? Given my posting history that’s quite a reach, but there you go.
I explained what i meant clearer in a later post to prevent this type of response too.
The MET explained it was linked to drugs being brought into Hackney from outside the borough. In almost every article too they state this and the Yorkshire point is irrelevant, it was the out of borough point they picked up on for the search.
Anyway, i’m sure we all hope racism isn’t at play here in the stop. |
I'm saying I'm surprised you didn't know better than to use a phrase like that. Certain people show a lot of faux-concern over the potential for something like this to 'stop people speaking up' despite clearly not being particularly bothered by the incident itself.
I was going off their official statement as it seemed odd not to mention specifically why they stopped it at the time. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:29 - Aug 10 with 1695 views | Darth_Koont |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:24 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
A "it's being looked into and I take it seriously" would have done the job. No taking sides, just acknowledging the incident. Buys some time for a response and avoids opinions being formed like my/your own.
The abuse she took and is still taking from her own party shows Labour's issues weren't exclusively Corbyn to anyone on the fence IMO. |
Labour most urgently needs a purge a little bit closer to the PLP and especially those who are always briefing against the left.
The centre has been largely useless against the right (and the direction they're taking the UK) because they're always more concerned with the left.
They need to pull their heads out of their @rses sharpish. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:29 - Aug 10 with 1692 views | itfcjoe |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:14 - Aug 10 by LankHenners |
It's not unreasonable to expect the leader of the party to show some solidarity with one of his MPs on the same day they report an allegation of racial profiling and receive a shed load of racist abuse for doing so.
That his belated response is so lukewarm sort of proves he could have said it yesterday. |
If this is seen as a big deal then there is no hope for the Labour party - his response was fine and the timing was fine. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:30 - Aug 10 with 1691 views | Darth_Koont |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:28 - Aug 10 by LankHenners |
I'm saying I'm surprised you didn't know better than to use a phrase like that. Certain people show a lot of faux-concern over the potential for something like this to 'stop people speaking up' despite clearly not being particularly bothered by the incident itself.
I was going off their official statement as it seemed odd not to mention specifically why they stopped it at the time. |
Be fair, rape is bad but a false accusation of rape is far worse. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:32 - Aug 10 with 1682 views | Darth_Koont |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:29 - Aug 10 by itfcjoe |
If this is seen as a big deal then there is no hope for the Labour party - his response was fine and the timing was fine. |
I don't think that 24 hours is too long in itself. But I think the problem is that a lot of people don't trust Starmer any more.
I can certainly see that point of view and the underlying concern for where Labour's heading. | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:32 - Aug 10 with 1681 views | itfcjoe |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:29 - Aug 10 by Darth_Koont |
Labour most urgently needs a purge a little bit closer to the PLP and especially those who are always briefing against the left.
The centre has been largely useless against the right (and the direction they're taking the UK) because they're always more concerned with the left.
They need to pull their heads out of their @rses sharpish. |
I forgot the left fought such a good campaign against the right in 2019. They really did the party proud after seizing control of the PLP, NEC, General Secretary role etc | |
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| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:34 - Aug 10 with 1669 views | itfcjoe |
| This Dawn Butler incident on 16:32 - Aug 10 by Darth_Koont |
I don't think that 24 hours is too long in itself. But I think the problem is that a lot of people don't trust Starmer any more.
I can certainly see that point of view and the underlying concern for where Labour's heading. |
They didn't trust Starmer in the first place, they never will so just look for every excuse to attack him with | |
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