| Will Norris to Burnley... 12:11 - Aug 14 with 8685 views | portmanking |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:46 - Aug 14 with 2534 views | clive_baker |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:19 - Aug 14 by Steve_M |
Alternately, Norris is a promising young keeper who has all the basics but made a series of horrible errors in a few weeks last season. His career ceiling is far higher than Tomas Holy's for example.
Is he good enough for Burnley? Maybe not but Alex McCarthy's spell here was similar to Norris's and he's done ok. |
Quite right Steve. |  |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:53 - Aug 14 with 2525 views | PJH |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:36 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
I think if you're a keeper and you make several (more than a couple) errors that directly lead to goals, it kind of does mean you're a poor keeper. Perhaps that wasn't representative of his ability and will go on to do well, but based on what we saw here he's really not very good. He's going to Burnley to pick up a decent wage and be tjrod choice, that's probably about the best he can hope for if playing regularly isn't a big consideration for him. |
I think he made three errors with us that contributed greatly to goals conceded-at Lincoln, at Wycombe and at home to Peterboro' but I do not agree that that makes him a bad keeper just one that went through a sticky patch.
I had a conversation with a famous TWTDer before the game at Oxford when I said that I still thought he was the better of our two keepers although that was before his cock up against Peterboro.
Over the season he did make more glaring errors than Holy did but overall I did not think that there was much difference between them |  | | |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:56 - Aug 14 with 2518 views | pointofblue |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:45 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
I can only judge him on his performances here and he directly cost us several goals and generally looked shaky. There were some good saves at times too but none of the kind of worldies that someone like Bart used to pull out. I admit I probably view him more negatively because him being rotated in coincided with our poor run and continually dropping Holy - who is our own keeper - for no obvious reason in order to play an error-prone loanee was rather symptomatic of Lambert's confused thinking. Based on what we saw here though I'd be surprised to see him getting regular game time in the Championship let alone the Prem. |
I think this was the big issue - Holy had done nothing wrong then Lambert decided to switch them for no reason which coincided with a very bad run of form, which Norris did have a hand in with the errors he made. | |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:59 - Aug 14 with 2507 views | itfcjoe |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:24 - Aug 14 by Libero |
McCarthy's another one, can't understand the hype.
The idea that Southampton would rather him than Fraser Forster is lol-worthy. |
That's because you've watched Forster play well in a pub league and mistakenly think he is good.... |  |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 14:01 - Aug 14 with 2497 views | clive_baker |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:56 - Aug 14 by pointofblue |
I think this was the big issue - Holy had done nothing wrong then Lambert decided to switch them for no reason which coincided with a very bad run of form, which Norris did have a hand in with the errors he made. |
That was the issue really. I think goalkeeper is the one position where you need some clear hierarchy, and if Holy had established himself in Lambert's mind then switching him out just felt unnecessary, as did a lot of Lambert's preemptive rotation. All that 'we might play 60 games this season' was ridiculous. If you're winning matches and it isn't broken, don't try and fix it. If there's fatigue later in the season then cross that bridge if / when it comes would be my view. Aside from the pointless cups of course. I don't think it helped either keeper.
FWIW I think Norris is a better keeper than Holy. People tend to turn a blind eye to Holy's c0ck ups and inability to kick a ball because he's ours, and he looks like he's won the lottery in interviews. Can't wait to see him grinning like a Cheshire cat at getting to play at Spurs new ground. | |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 14:05 - Aug 14 with 2486 views | Libero |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:59 - Aug 14 by itfcjoe |
That's because you've watched Forster play well in a pub league and mistakenly think he is good.... |
Champions League*
and the Premier League and Championship for that matter. |  | | |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 14:07 - Aug 14 with 2483 views | hype313 |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 13:59 - Aug 14 by itfcjoe |
That's because you've watched Forster play well in a pub league and mistakenly think he is good.... |
Forster pre his second Celtic stint was playing superbly for the Saints, I was gobsmacked they got rid, he was knocking on England's door at the time. [Post edited 14 Aug 2020 14:11]
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| People forget that we are in the 3rd Division..... on 14:24 - Aug 14 with 2450 views | Bloots |
....we aren't going to get "the finished article" on loan.
We are going to get players that are sent to us for them to improve.
That's our place now.
We are in the same league as AFC Wimbldon, Rochdale and Accrington. |  |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 14:28 - Aug 14 with 2434 views | Hipsterectomy |
I swear that Lewis Price spent the majority of his career after us as a 2nd/3rd choice Prem and Championship keeper.
Reserve goal keeper: nice work if you can get it. |  |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 14:46 - Aug 14 with 2392 views | Herbivore |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 14:01 - Aug 14 by clive_baker |
That was the issue really. I think goalkeeper is the one position where you need some clear hierarchy, and if Holy had established himself in Lambert's mind then switching him out just felt unnecessary, as did a lot of Lambert's preemptive rotation. All that 'we might play 60 games this season' was ridiculous. If you're winning matches and it isn't broken, don't try and fix it. If there's fatigue later in the season then cross that bridge if / when it comes would be my view. Aside from the pointless cups of course. I don't think it helped either keeper.
FWIW I think Norris is a better keeper than Holy. People tend to turn a blind eye to Holy's c0ck ups and inability to kick a ball because he's ours, and he looks like he's won the lottery in interviews. Can't wait to see him grinning like a Cheshire cat at getting to play at Spurs new ground. |
I think it's hard to reach the conclusion that Norris is better based on their time here, though I appreciate you rated him highly when he came in so perhaps that comes into your thinking. I'm struggling to think of Holy making a glaring howler that directly led to a goal in the way that Norris did a number of times. I don't really remember Norris making any absolutely blinding saves that made me think he was better than Holy either.
I think it's a bit insulting to suggest that people prefer Holy because of how he comes across in interviews. He was the better keeper of the two last season, both based on what I saw and statistically as well in terms of points per game and goals conceded per game. |  |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 16:11 - Aug 14 with 2334 views | clive_baker |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 14:46 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
I think it's hard to reach the conclusion that Norris is better based on their time here, though I appreciate you rated him highly when he came in so perhaps that comes into your thinking. I'm struggling to think of Holy making a glaring howler that directly led to a goal in the way that Norris did a number of times. I don't really remember Norris making any absolutely blinding saves that made me think he was better than Holy either.
I think it's a bit insulting to suggest that people prefer Holy because of how he comes across in interviews. He was the better keeper of the two last season, both based on what I saw and statistically as well in terms of points per game and goals conceded per game. |
I thought Norris' distribution was much better, which is an important component. Holy did drop a couple of clangers to be fair, I think it was Tranmere where he was suspect, and another that escapes me. He looked uncomfortable on low shots, pretty slow getting down, and not overly surprised that shipped the most goals in the league the season before. He commanded his area well though, that's definietly his strength when dealing with aerial attacks. Norris certainly did make mistakes too though, no doubt about that and I'll call a spade a spade. I find 'stats' only ever tell part of a story. Kenlocks points per game yield was no doubt higher than Garbutt's last season but a lot of people don't give him the time of day. I just prefer Norris as a keeper, as a package. If I could have 1 of them in my squad for next season I would pick Norris for sure. Not to say I'm not backing Holy, but I'm really not sold on him at all. Hopefully he proves me wrong this season.
Perhaps the interview comment was a bit flippant, but he definitely seems more likeable among our fan base, certainly if twitter is anything to go by. I can see why, he's definitely chirpy and pleased to be here. Where as Norris got all manner of abuse. | |
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| Oh marvelous, I need to bookmark this gif (n/t) on 16:15 - Aug 14 with 2324 views | Dyland |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 12:49 - Aug 14 by Libero |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 17:15 - Aug 14 with 2261 views | Herbivore |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 16:11 - Aug 14 by clive_baker |
I thought Norris' distribution was much better, which is an important component. Holy did drop a couple of clangers to be fair, I think it was Tranmere where he was suspect, and another that escapes me. He looked uncomfortable on low shots, pretty slow getting down, and not overly surprised that shipped the most goals in the league the season before. He commanded his area well though, that's definietly his strength when dealing with aerial attacks. Norris certainly did make mistakes too though, no doubt about that and I'll call a spade a spade. I find 'stats' only ever tell part of a story. Kenlocks points per game yield was no doubt higher than Garbutt's last season but a lot of people don't give him the time of day. I just prefer Norris as a keeper, as a package. If I could have 1 of them in my squad for next season I would pick Norris for sure. Not to say I'm not backing Holy, but I'm really not sold on him at all. Hopefully he proves me wrong this season.
Perhaps the interview comment was a bit flippant, but he definitely seems more likeable among our fan base, certainly if twitter is anything to go by. I can see why, he's definitely chirpy and pleased to be here. Where as Norris got all manner of abuse. |
For me I always felt more reassured and felt the defence looked more assured with Holy in goal. He was a bit slow to get down at times but I guess that's what you get with a 6'9" keeper. It also meant he could command his area and make himself big. I know you're not keen on the stats but whilst Kenlock only played a handful of games, these two played almost half a season each so the comparison feels a bit more meaningful. I know it's not the be all and end all either, but personally I think it's relevant.
I'm not sure Norris' distribution was all that much better than Holy's in his time here, he hoofed it out plenty and sometimes dithered on the ball (which was very costly on one occasion). I can recall him passing the ball straight to a Gillingham striker when we played at home as well and we really should have been punished for that too. I know distribution is not Holy's strength either and I know he nearly fluffed it at Burton, but overall there wasn't a gulf between their distribution based on what I saw last season. I know you rated Norris when he arrived so perhaps this was something you'd seen from him before. I'm only going on last season and I wasn't impressed with either keeper's distribution.
Personally I'd take Holy every time based on what I saw last season. Those with prior knowledge of Norris seem to think he has a bigger potential upside but I just didn't see it. He was bang average in most respects, did a solid enough job 95% of the time but also had a number of wobbles and ultimately made a number of significant errors that led to goals. | |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 17:18 - Aug 14 with 2263 views | jas0999 |
A very poor keeper. | | | |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 18:11 - Aug 14 with 2233 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Will Norris to Burnley... on 12:39 - Aug 14 by BlueBadger |
I think we've missed a trick here. We should be offering them Alan Judge for £15M. |
Alan Judge.
Forgot about him.
Is he currently fit? |  |
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 18:12 - Aug 14 with 2233 views | radiogaga |
Arguably the worst goalkeeper I've seen play for us over more than a handful of games.
Cannot fathom how Lambert found it so difficult to decide between Holy and him. [Post edited 14 Aug 2020 18:20]
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| Will Norris to Burnley... on 18:57 - Aug 14 with 2201 views | bracknell_blue |
He's not that good, so fair play to him. 3rd or 4th choice? |  |
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