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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season 15:46 - Aug 25 with 2965 viewsTerry_Nutkins

We do need to learn these lessons here though. Sounds like a woeful piece of defending by chambers and Holy hasn't had a blinder in those 4 mins. However it is only 4 mins. Aside from that the reports are positive.

We are seeing where are weaknesses are though particularly without Woolfenden and KVY. We really could do with another ball playing CB.

This is high calibre opposition though and a good lesson but we shouldn't be chucking anything out the window here. To move to passing from the back will never happen overnight. More mistake will follow but we will see progress and particularly against weaker opposition.


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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:48 - Aug 25 with 2932 viewsFtnfwest

Well if it's finally proved that Chambers is past it then its a worthwhile exercise at least.
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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:52 - Aug 25 with 2873 viewsFixed_It

That crazy 4 minutes was immediately after Ward went off. Not a coincidence.
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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:54 - Aug 25 with 2843 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Not sure where Holy is at fault in those 4 minutes.

That second half midfield simply didn't have enough bite about it.

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:54 - Aug 25 with 2838 viewsIpswichKnight

It’s not all doom and gloom thought the midfield with Huws and El-Mizouni caused them all manor of problems, put them and Downes in as the midfield 3 and that would cause a lot of problems for any L1 side.
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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:55 - Aug 25 with 2832 viewsclive_baker

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:52 - Aug 25 by Fixed_It

That crazy 4 minutes was immediately after Ward went off. Not a coincidence.
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I really like the look of Ward. Good addition.

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:59 - Aug 25 with 2803 viewsTrumptonBlue

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:52 - Aug 25 by Fixed_It

That crazy 4 minutes was immediately after Ward went off. Not a coincidence.
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He went off 10 minutes after their 4th goal, didn't he?
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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:01 - Aug 25 with 2789 viewsitfcjoe

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:52 - Aug 25 by Fixed_It

That crazy 4 minutes was immediately after Ward went off. Not a coincidence.
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Ward was still on for all the goals

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:02 - Aug 25 with 2783 viewsTerry_Nutkins

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:55 - Aug 25 by clive_baker

I really like the look of Ward. Good addition.


Great addition and with KVY and Woolf playing we should be good enough in this division. Any injuries back there though leave us really open.

We have struggled for years to have an effective defensive unit. We just get at sixes and sevens too easily. Looks brighter going forward (Although we need a Norwood or Jackson on scoring form).

I don't think we're far away but definitely some concerns to address. I don't think we can afford a ball playing CB.

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:04 - Aug 25 with 2771 viewsChrisd

This is the problem PL had when he first took over, he started by encouraging us to play out from the back and then lost his nerve. If this is the path we are taking, we need to stick with it, instead of panicking about a couple of defeats against far superior sides in pre-season. Unfortunately for us, Woolfenden is the only senior CB that likes the ball to feet the others panic when put under the slightest bit of pressure. We have to accept we are going to see mistakes, but we need to back the players. One thing I'd hope PL would do, instead of just solely relying on playing out from the back that we mix things up more by going long at times, otherwise we're going to be come too predictable.

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:07 - Aug 25 with 2745 viewsWickets

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 15:54 - Aug 25 by Nthsuffolkblue

Not sure where Holy is at fault in those 4 minutes.

That second half midfield simply didn't have enough bite about it.


3rd goal , comes for a cross that drifts over his head !
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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:12 - Aug 25 with 2715 viewsFixed_It

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:01 - Aug 25 by itfcjoe

Ward was still on for all the goals


Sorry. Was watching a dodgy stream and thought he went off after treatment just before their second.
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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:16 - Aug 25 with 2695 viewsTerry_Nutkins

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:12 - Aug 25 by Fixed_It

Sorry. Was watching a dodgy stream and thought he went off after treatment just before their second.
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We subbed off our entire midfield 1 min before the goals rained in. In fairness that won't happen during a league 1 game...hopefully.

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:19 - Aug 25 with 2675 viewsBryanPlug

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:07 - Aug 25 by Wickets

3rd goal , comes for a cross that drifts over his head !


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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:30 - Aug 25 with 2614 viewsRyorry

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Just managed to over-ride instinct?

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:41 - Aug 25 with 2574 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:07 - Aug 25 by Wickets

3rd goal , comes for a cross that drifts over his head !


Is that the one where El Mizouni is the wrong side and their player has a free header?

Not sure how a cross that is too high for Holy becomes a mistake for him.

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:46 - Aug 25 with 2541 viewsTheTrueBlue1878

Really high calibre opposition, thought the attacking players on their end were very good, and ours were fine, but there is levels.

I thought Chambers had an uncomfortable afternoon, as did Holy. Nsiala and ward were fine. Donacien fine, but when he's comparison is always KVY I'm never that impressed by him.

Still can't believe that Hurst turned KVY away from a trial and signed Donacien, to this day.

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:58 - Aug 25 with 2504 viewsitfcjoe

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:41 - Aug 25 by Nthsuffolkblue

Is that the one where El Mizouni is the wrong side and their player has a free header?

Not sure how a cross that is too high for Holy becomes a mistake for him.


Well he goes for the cross then pulls out so it's an error whichever way you look at it

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 17:04 - Aug 25 with 2462 viewsTerry_Nutkins

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:46 - Aug 25 by TheTrueBlue1878

Really high calibre opposition, thought the attacking players on their end were very good, and ours were fine, but there is levels.

I thought Chambers had an uncomfortable afternoon, as did Holy. Nsiala and ward were fine. Donacien fine, but when he's comparison is always KVY I'm never that impressed by him.

Still can't believe that Hurst turned KVY away from a trial and signed Donacien, to this day.


Agree. It just seems mental that you would not take KVY and spend more on Donacian having actually watched him play in close quarters.

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 17:58 - Aug 25 with 2397 viewsRyorry

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:02 - Aug 25 by Terry_Nutkins

Great addition and with KVY and Woolf playing we should be good enough in this division. Any injuries back there though leave us really open.

We have struggled for years to have an effective defensive unit. We just get at sixes and sevens too easily. Looks brighter going forward (Although we need a Norwood or Jackson on scoring form).

I don't think we're far away but definitely some concerns to address. I don't think we can afford a ball playing CB.


Any injuries we acquire these days have become a worry over & above the usual any club would have.

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Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 18:11 - Aug 25 with 2365 viewslongtimefan

Crazy 4 mins in pre-Season won't define our season on 16:58 - Aug 25 by itfcjoe

Well he goes for the cross then pulls out so it's an error whichever way you look at it


Indeed. If he hadn’t have misjudged it he would still have been on his line and in a position to possibly save the goal. As it was he was in no man’s land and left the goal empty. I think it says a lot about some ITFC supporters that a mistake by Chambers is immediately highlighted but a similarly glaring one by the goalkeeper is ignored. Pretty sure had that been Cornell in goal that wouldn’t have been the case either.
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