| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. 18:41 - Aug 29 with 12182 views | Terry_Nutkins |
Rubbish game today but that obviously doesn't detract from the fact they have printed malicious lies about that photo call. That very very poor journalism. |  |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:28 - Aug 29 with 1628 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:24 - Aug 29 by PJH |
So if PL has lost the players and he has lost,seemingly, the majority of the fans he has got nothing.
It is difficult to see why ME should keep him because it is doing nobody any good.
It is a shame because I still cannot dislike the bloke. |
The other problem I have is that the senior pros fell out with Hurst and he got sacked. They now seem to have fallen out with Lambert and he appears to be on the verge of going the same way. Maybe there is as much a problem with the senior pros as there is with the manager?
It is going to take a special kind of manager to come in and sort out our bloated squad. I am sure they exist but we are going to need someone very special. |  |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:36 - Aug 29 with 1606 views | itfcjoe |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:28 - Aug 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The other problem I have is that the senior pros fell out with Hurst and he got sacked. They now seem to have fallen out with Lambert and he appears to be on the verge of going the same way. Maybe there is as much a problem with the senior pros as there is with the manager?
It is going to take a special kind of manager to come in and sort out our bloated squad. I am sure they exist but we are going to need someone very special. |
I think blaming the senior players in this instance is wide of the mark, it’s a terrible manager who is managing terribly that everyone can see through from the senior to the young players, through the academy management |  |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:42 - Aug 29 with 1586 views | Ryorry |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:36 - Aug 29 by itfcjoe |
I think blaming the senior players in this instance is wide of the mark, it’s a terrible manager who is managing terribly that everyone can see through from the senior to the young players, through the academy management |
Well, thanks for putting us in the picture. It's hugely depressing if correct tho, obviously.
Does beg the question of how/why on earth ME gave PL a 5-year contract in the first place. Was it with a view to moving him 'upstairs' - DoF or something? |  |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:43 - Aug 29 with 1575 views | Swailsey |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:42 - Aug 29 by Ryorry |
Well, thanks for putting us in the picture. It's hugely depressing if correct tho, obviously.
Does beg the question of how/why on earth ME gave PL a 5-year contract in the first place. Was it with a view to moving him 'upstairs' - DoF or something? |
I don’t think PL is qualified to be Director of Food. |  |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:45 - Aug 29 with 1562 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:42 - Aug 29 by Ryorry |
Well, thanks for putting us in the picture. It's hugely depressing if correct tho, obviously.
Does beg the question of how/why on earth ME gave PL a 5-year contract in the first place. Was it with a view to moving him 'upstairs' - DoF or something? |
I think the 5 year contract was offered when we were top of the league and it appeared as if all was well. The fact he did not withdraw the offer when it was spiralling downward and PL then chose to sign it is a better question. | |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:46 - Aug 29 with 1562 views | itfcjoe |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:42 - Aug 29 by Ryorry |
Well, thanks for putting us in the picture. It's hugely depressing if correct tho, obviously.
Does beg the question of how/why on earth ME gave PL a 5-year contract in the first place. Was it with a view to moving him 'upstairs' - DoF or something? |
I have no idea - at the time we were top of the league, Sunderland job was available and PL was actively touting for it so ME was on the back foot and that is when it was agreed. But by the time he signed it a lot had changed and it was clearly a bad move, Lambert called his bluff - see PLs post match comments after the games just before he signed it - most notably Boxing Day | |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:48 - Aug 29 with 1547 views | Ryorry |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:45 - Aug 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think the 5 year contract was offered when we were top of the league and it appeared as if all was well. The fact he did not withdraw the offer when it was spiralling downward and PL then chose to sign it is a better question. |
Ah, thanks, had forgotten the timing involved - thought it was offered & accepted a lot later than that. Very poor judgement by ME then (so what's new ...). | |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:50 - Aug 29 with 1541 views | Dyland |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:42 - Aug 29 by Ryorry |
Well, thanks for putting us in the picture. It's hugely depressing if correct tho, obviously.
Does beg the question of how/why on earth ME gave PL a 5-year contract in the first place. Was it with a view to moving him 'upstairs' - DoF or something? |
Evans's stewardship of ITFC is farcical. There's one chance, ONE last fooking chance to get someone decent in before we sink forever. |  |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:53 - Aug 29 with 1527 views | Ryorry |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:46 - Aug 29 by itfcjoe |
I have no idea - at the time we were top of the league, Sunderland job was available and PL was actively touting for it so ME was on the back foot and that is when it was agreed. But by the time he signed it a lot had changed and it was clearly a bad move, Lambert called his bluff - see PLs post match comments after the games just before he signed it - most notably Boxing Day |
Right, gotcha, cheers.
My PL-ometer has gone from teetering on the pivot, via a slow descent, to crashed right down now :( | |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:53 - Aug 29 with 1523 views | IpswichKnight |
One thing ME does do is have someone lined up, I guess that will dictate when the sacking happens, I know ME has talked to the Cowleys before and Cook is available, don’t think we should discount Dyer as well. | | | |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:56 - Aug 29 with 1505 views | Ryorry |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:53 - Aug 29 by IpswichKnight |
One thing ME does do is have someone lined up, I guess that will dictate when the sacking happens, I know ME has talked to the Cowleys before and Cook is available, don’t think we should discount Dyer as well. |
How much would it cost to pay off a 5-year contract tho? I hope there are some get-out clauses! | |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:58 - Aug 29 with 1487 views | itfcjoe |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:53 - Aug 29 by IpswichKnight |
One thing ME does do is have someone lined up, I guess that will dictate when the sacking happens, I know ME has talked to the Cowleys before and Cook is available, don’t think we should discount Dyer as well. |
As much as I’d like Dyer, the fact that those 2 are available means you’d have to try, especially Danny Cowley with his local connections and successes he’s had | |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:00 - Aug 29 with 1471 views | itfcjoe |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:56 - Aug 29 by Ryorry |
How much would it cost to pay off a 5-year contract tho? I hope there are some get-out clauses! |
At worst it is going to be paying off a year or two’s salary - still a significant amount (£500k-£1m) but would be cheap at twice the price | |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:05 - Aug 29 with 1442 views | BryanPlug |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:53 - Aug 29 by IpswichKnight |
One thing ME does do is have someone lined up, I guess that will dictate when the sacking happens, I know ME has talked to the Cowleys before and Cook is available, don’t think we should discount Dyer as well. |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:06 - Aug 29 with 1441 views | PJH |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 21:28 - Aug 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The other problem I have is that the senior pros fell out with Hurst and he got sacked. They now seem to have fallen out with Lambert and he appears to be on the verge of going the same way. Maybe there is as much a problem with the senior pros as there is with the manager?
It is going to take a special kind of manager to come in and sort out our bloated squad. I am sure they exist but we are going to need someone very special. |
Or the senior pros care about the club and do not want someone ruining it even more than it was ruined by Hurst.
Their involvement (if any) in Hurst going might have prevented the disaster of getting relegated but as it happened it did not.
Performances on the pitch over the last two years have obviously generally not been good enough so in that respect the players are to blame but I think at any football club if the players have no faith or belief in the manager then it can only be the manager that goes. |  | | |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:06 - Aug 29 with 1436 views | Ryorry |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:00 - Aug 29 by itfcjoe |
At worst it is going to be paying off a year or two’s salary - still a significant amount (£500k-£1m) but would be cheap at twice the price |
Yep, from what you've said this eve (and assuming you're genuinely itk), the old 'false economy not to' argument would fit. | |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:10 - Aug 29 with 1416 views | PJH |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:05 - Aug 29 by BryanPlug |
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I don't think you need the 'possibly' there but apart from once ME's appointments have turned out to be disasters. | | | |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:14 - Aug 29 with 1395 views | IpswichKnight |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:10 - Aug 29 by PJH |
I don't think you need the 'possibly' there but apart from once ME's appointments have turned out to be disasters. |
Look at all those interviewed before Hurst, all of them have turned out to be better, we even had Warnock lined up, if we have a chance to employ anyone 1/2 competent ME will botch it up. | | | |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:23 - Aug 29 with 1367 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:14 - Aug 29 by IpswichKnight |
Look at all those interviewed before Hurst, all of them have turned out to be better, we even had Warnock lined up, if we have a chance to employ anyone 1/2 competent ME will botch it up. |
Interesting to see some posters here are critical of Evans for appointing Hurst, despite the fact that at the time they were supportive of appointing Hurst because he was apparently the kind of young and up and coming manager that Evans should have appointed earlier.
Hurst was a disaster, but the idea that he was a bad appointment and it was a terrible decision at the time by Evans was not the verdict from our fanbase at that time and to say otherwise is re-writing history.
I also remember a large number of our fans wetting themselves over Roy Keane being appointed at the time and anyone who warned how it would turn out because of his volatile nature was shot down.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but lets not pretend that all of our fanbase were dead against al Evans appointments when they were made, because that isn't true. Yes, they turned out badly, but Hurst had the unanimous backing of here at time of appointment. [Post edited 29 Aug 2020 22:28]
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:43 - Aug 29 with 1329 views | BryanPlug |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:23 - Aug 29 by DublinBlue84 |
Interesting to see some posters here are critical of Evans for appointing Hurst, despite the fact that at the time they were supportive of appointing Hurst because he was apparently the kind of young and up and coming manager that Evans should have appointed earlier.
Hurst was a disaster, but the idea that he was a bad appointment and it was a terrible decision at the time by Evans was not the verdict from our fanbase at that time and to say otherwise is re-writing history.
I also remember a large number of our fans wetting themselves over Roy Keane being appointed at the time and anyone who warned how it would turn out because of his volatile nature was shot down.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but lets not pretend that all of our fanbase were dead against al Evans appointments when they were made, because that isn't true. Yes, they turned out badly, but Hurst had the unanimous backing of here at time of appointment. [Post edited 29 Aug 2020 22:28]
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 23:14 - Aug 29 with 1267 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:43 - Aug 29 by BryanPlug |
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I agree, I was hopeful when Hurst took over but I did think a lot of people simply saw him as a young and up and coming manager and decided he was going to be good on those traits alone, which was exceptionally naive. I get that people wanted a change from the likes of Mick, but the celebration of Hurst and the overhaul of the squad he was going to make and we were going to be amazing always seemed a bit over the top to me.
That being said you're right, that Evans should have sounded him out a bit better and clearly I can't imagine Doig's personality was completely unknown in the game. | |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 23:22 - Aug 29 with 1252 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 22:00 - Aug 29 by itfcjoe |
At worst it is going to be paying off a year or two’s salary - still a significant amount (£500k-£1m) but would be cheap at twice the price |
Suspect' if there is to be a sudden change of Manager, that they are already in the building, |  |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 23:33 - Aug 29 with 1234 views | Rocky |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 23:14 - Aug 29 by DublinBlue84 |
I agree, I was hopeful when Hurst took over but I did think a lot of people simply saw him as a young and up and coming manager and decided he was going to be good on those traits alone, which was exceptionally naive. I get that people wanted a change from the likes of Mick, but the celebration of Hurst and the overhaul of the squad he was going to make and we were going to be amazing always seemed a bit over the top to me.
That being said you're right, that Evans should have sounded him out a bit better and clearly I can't imagine Doig's personality was completely unknown in the game. |
Fair enough that hindsight is at play. But it has to be said that although Keane's appointment was welcomed by many it was also met with dismay by a fair percentage of our fans.
ME's appointment of Hurst, as you rightly point out, was a popular one but many others were also frustrated at the time by his dithering and inability to land Jack Ross as manager.
Not that Ross set the world alight at Sunderland. |  | | |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 08:02 - Aug 30 with 1098 views | Swailsey |
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| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 08:22 - Aug 30 with 1080 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Have the EADT issued an apology yet. on 20:59 - Aug 29 by itfcjoe |
Hard to know really, at how bad it was under Hurst as was over so quickly.
Lambert just doesn’t have relationships with any players, it all has to go through his assistants. He thinks he’s Fergie and can just oversee everything and do his work that way - but he can’t set a team up or motivate them.
No relationship with, or respect from, the senior players; and the youngsters think he is impossible to work with |
If this is the case, has Lambert changed his ways from his Norwich days? Or were the Norwich players less bothered about it? It would seem weird to change things that were working. Unless Lambert got too big for his boots? |  |
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