| Too complacent 16:47 - Sep 9 with 8370 views | MonkeyAlan |
The general public have become too complacent over the virus in recent weeks. It hasnt gone away, but some people act like it has. Now some people are stamping and kicking because new rules have been brought back in. The measures are necessary and people need to man up and act responsibility.
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| Too complacent on 19:19 - Sep 9 with 3587 views | jeera |
| Too complacent on 18:44 - Sep 9 by Harry_Palmer |
No the general public have not become too complacent, sure a few may have done but the vast majority have done exactly what they have been told to do which includes 'eat out to help out' getting back to work, going to the pub, shopping etc. etc. all while following the ever nonsensical rules that apply to each activity.
The measures brought in today are not necessary and in fact make even less sense than most of those that have gone before, and quite frankly people have had enough of being told what to do at every turn. The fact of the matter is this virus has a 99.6% survival rate and the time has come where we need to start getting on with life and accept the small risk that it presents, while taking the obvious sensible precautions of course. I will be treating these new 'rules' with the contempt they deserve, if you want to hide at home in fear Alan, that is your choice. |
" ever nonsensical rules that apply to each activity."
I'm sure there may have been some, but do you have a list in mind?
Obviously some that help to keep others safe would have been of use. |  |
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| Too complacent on 19:30 - Sep 9 with 3575 views | ghostofescobar |
Wrong. Not the general public, it's the kids innit. The vast majority of both tests and infections are in the 17 to 21 year old band. Damn them trying to have fun and stuff. |  |
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| Too complacent on 19:32 - Sep 9 with 3566 views | gordon |
| Too complacent on 18:44 - Sep 9 by Harry_Palmer |
No the general public have not become too complacent, sure a few may have done but the vast majority have done exactly what they have been told to do which includes 'eat out to help out' getting back to work, going to the pub, shopping etc. etc. all while following the ever nonsensical rules that apply to each activity.
The measures brought in today are not necessary and in fact make even less sense than most of those that have gone before, and quite frankly people have had enough of being told what to do at every turn. The fact of the matter is this virus has a 99.6% survival rate and the time has come where we need to start getting on with life and accept the small risk that it presents, while taking the obvious sensible precautions of course. I will be treating these new 'rules' with the contempt they deserve, if you want to hide at home in fear Alan, that is your choice. |
The problem with your position though is that while you are well within your rights to accept a small risk for yourself, it isn't in your gift to dictate to other people that they should accept what will, in some cases, be a very big risk. |  | | |
| Too complacent on 20:35 - Sep 9 with 3519 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Too complacent on 19:32 - Sep 9 by gordon |
The problem with your position though is that while you are well within your rights to accept a small risk for yourself, it isn't in your gift to dictate to other people that they should accept what will, in some cases, be a very big risk. |
I'm not dictating anything. I have said what I am going to do in regard to the new rules, what other people choose to do is up to them.
In reality for me this simply involves meeting occasionally with close family, which may mean 8/9 people including Children. I'm not talking about attending mass gatherings or house parties. Clearly i'm not going to force my company on anybody that does not feel comfortable with it. [Post edited 10 Sep 2020 7:18]
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| Too complacent on 20:40 - Sep 9 with 3511 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Too complacent on 19:16 - Sep 9 by Swansea_Blue |
For anyone wishing to break the law. |
Like the Government and their advisers you mean?
And calling this a Law is stretching it somewhat. The last time I checked Laws were passed through the process of parliamentary debate and voting. At the moment they are bypassing this and pretty much making it up as they go. | | | |
| Too complacent on 21:44 - Sep 9 with 3472 views | 26_Paz |
| Too complacent on 18:44 - Sep 9 by Harry_Palmer |
No the general public have not become too complacent, sure a few may have done but the vast majority have done exactly what they have been told to do which includes 'eat out to help out' getting back to work, going to the pub, shopping etc. etc. all while following the ever nonsensical rules that apply to each activity.
The measures brought in today are not necessary and in fact make even less sense than most of those that have gone before, and quite frankly people have had enough of being told what to do at every turn. The fact of the matter is this virus has a 99.6% survival rate and the time has come where we need to start getting on with life and accept the small risk that it presents, while taking the obvious sensible precautions of course. I will be treating these new 'rules' with the contempt they deserve, if you want to hide at home in fear Alan, that is your choice. |
This. Absolutely this! I’m with you, Sir! |  |
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| Too complacent on 23:32 - Sep 9 with 3425 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Too complacent on 20:35 - Sep 9 by Harry_Palmer |
I'm not dictating anything. I have said what I am going to do in regard to the new rules, what other people choose to do is up to them.
In reality for me this simply involves meeting occasionally with close family, which may mean 8/9 people including Children. I'm not talking about attending mass gatherings or house parties. Clearly i'm not going to force my company on anybody that does not feel comfortable with it. [Post edited 10 Sep 2020 7:18]
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Survival of the fittest basically. |  | | |
| Too complacent on 08:25 - Sep 10 with 3348 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Too complacent on 18:44 - Sep 9 by Harry_Palmer |
No the general public have not become too complacent, sure a few may have done but the vast majority have done exactly what they have been told to do which includes 'eat out to help out' getting back to work, going to the pub, shopping etc. etc. all while following the ever nonsensical rules that apply to each activity.
The measures brought in today are not necessary and in fact make even less sense than most of those that have gone before, and quite frankly people have had enough of being told what to do at every turn. The fact of the matter is this virus has a 99.6% survival rate and the time has come where we need to start getting on with life and accept the small risk that it presents, while taking the obvious sensible precautions of course. I will be treating these new 'rules' with the contempt they deserve, if you want to hide at home in fear Alan, that is your choice. |
I'm sorry, but people have become complacent. You see it everywhere. People are carrying on as if it doesn't exist. My neighbours are having parties. Huge BBQs. Going off on holiday then sulking when they get quarantined coming back. People are irresponsible. They bend the rules to suit themselves then complain that they didn't understand the rules. Utter rubbish. They know, just choose to pretend. Which makes them look ignorant. Oh, and l am at home at the moment, mainly because lve lost my job through all this. So l do also know how it's affecting people first hand. | | | |
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| Too complacent on 09:39 - Sep 10 with 3316 views | bournemouthblue |
| Too complacent on 18:44 - Sep 9 by Tendring_Blue |
Exactly. I can tell you the job situation where I am now is grim. We are heading towards mass unemployment.
We need to recognise the risk of this virus is miniscule for most people. The IFR looks to be around 0.4%. we must of course offer help to the vulnerable if wanted. But we have to end this nonsense and try to get back to normality.
Utterly depressing situation. I see no end of this, government are a disgrace. COVID is not going anywhere, trying to control a virus is akin to defying the laws of gravity. Personally I now have no job, relationships have crumbled and I struggle to see my family as they have been petrified by the government.
Awful year. Rant over... [Post edited 9 Sep 2020 18:49]
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Is 0.4% the official figure nowadays, closer to a winter flu as first was rumoured and not the 2 - 5% seeming to be indicated in the earlier stages?
Obviously some of the side effects of the virus on those who have had it badly aren't pretty
They were saying around 20% of people in intensive care were having kidney failure
There are people with longer term damage to their lungs and some blood issues as well among other unusual reactions from the body. I know one of those celebrity doctors had it and it had caused an irregular heartbeat for him.
It's easy to underplay this virus, some people naively confuse colds with the flu for example and for anyone who has genuinely have the flu, they'll tell them it is very much a cold. The same I fear could be true with CoVid which is anything but friendly. [Post edited 10 Sep 2020 9:42]
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| Too complacent on 09:40 - Sep 10 with 3314 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Too complacent on 08:25 - Sep 10 by MonkeyAlan |
I'm sorry, but people have become complacent. You see it everywhere. People are carrying on as if it doesn't exist. My neighbours are having parties. Huge BBQs. Going off on holiday then sulking when they get quarantined coming back. People are irresponsible. They bend the rules to suit themselves then complain that they didn't understand the rules. Utter rubbish. They know, just choose to pretend. Which makes them look ignorant. Oh, and l am at home at the moment, mainly because lve lost my job through all this. So l do also know how it's affecting people first hand. |
So people healthy people who have done everything they have been previously asked in order to 'flatten the curve' are now getting on with their lives rather than living in a state of perpetual fear, good for them. It's what should be happening in a country that is supposed to be western democracy and not an authoritarian dictatorship.
I am very sorry to hear you have lost your job, that really sucks and I hope you can find a new one. The reality is though it is the Lockdown and the Government's policies that have caused the economic situation, not the virus itself. Of course, i'm not saying they should have done nothing at all but If you were living in Sweden for example, you would more than likely still have your job and would still be living in a country that is no worse off in terms of public health. | | | |
| Too complacent on 09:47 - Sep 10 with 3308 views | bournemouthblue |
| Too complacent on 09:40 - Sep 10 by Harry_Palmer |
So people healthy people who have done everything they have been previously asked in order to 'flatten the curve' are now getting on with their lives rather than living in a state of perpetual fear, good for them. It's what should be happening in a country that is supposed to be western democracy and not an authoritarian dictatorship.
I am very sorry to hear you have lost your job, that really sucks and I hope you can find a new one. The reality is though it is the Lockdown and the Government's policies that have caused the economic situation, not the virus itself. Of course, i'm not saying they should have done nothing at all but If you were living in Sweden for example, you would more than likely still have your job and would still be living in a country that is no worse off in terms of public health. |
Boris intially went with herd immunity strategy himself, unfortunately some of that early language caused problems in itself for me, I was going through a redundancy at the time and that will have effected the decision I ultimately made only to see him U-turn and a Lockdown to follow later on which then destroyed the jobs market.
The government have got it wrong at just about every turn and have paid for it. It's us the people who suffer, not the bumbling decision makers who we call his cabinet. | |
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| Too complacent on 15:10 - Sep 10 with 3266 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Too complacent on 09:39 - Sep 10 by bournemouthblue |
Is 0.4% the official figure nowadays, closer to a winter flu as first was rumoured and not the 2 - 5% seeming to be indicated in the earlier stages?
Obviously some of the side effects of the virus on those who have had it badly aren't pretty
They were saying around 20% of people in intensive care were having kidney failure
There are people with longer term damage to their lungs and some blood issues as well among other unusual reactions from the body. I know one of those celebrity doctors had it and it had caused an irregular heartbeat for him.
It's easy to underplay this virus, some people naively confuse colds with the flu for example and for anyone who has genuinely have the flu, they'll tell them it is very much a cold. The same I fear could be true with CoVid which is anything but friendly. [Post edited 10 Sep 2020 9:42]
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At Papworth hospital, at one pointit was 50/50 once you reached ITU that you would make it out. They had people as young as their forties, possibly younger.
Granted, they are a highly specialist hospital, and you get sent there if you were really bad, but they were packed out |  | | |
| Too complacent on 15:39 - Sep 10 with 3242 views | giant_stow |
As if to ram home the OP's heading, I've just heard my boy's teacher was off school today (4th day back) as her daughter is getting a covid test. Suddenly feels a bit close to home. Hey ho, was always the risk of going back. [Post edited 10 Sep 2020 15:43]
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| Too complacent on 15:42 - Sep 10 with 3233 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Too complacent on 18:44 - Sep 9 by Harry_Palmer |
No the general public have not become too complacent, sure a few may have done but the vast majority have done exactly what they have been told to do which includes 'eat out to help out' getting back to work, going to the pub, shopping etc. etc. all while following the ever nonsensical rules that apply to each activity.
The measures brought in today are not necessary and in fact make even less sense than most of those that have gone before, and quite frankly people have had enough of being told what to do at every turn. The fact of the matter is this virus has a 99.6% survival rate and the time has come where we need to start getting on with life and accept the small risk that it presents, while taking the obvious sensible precautions of course. I will be treating these new 'rules' with the contempt they deserve, if you want to hide at home in fear Alan, that is your choice. |
8 hospital deaths in England between 4-9 September.
Of course I would not wish to cause any offence to any of the families of those people but at what point do we stop being so risk adverse and get back on with life as before?
How can a virus with that current level of mortality be changing the face of life as we know it? Of course the rates might increase again, but people die in much greater number from many different causes every day. |  |
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| Too complacent on 16:00 - Sep 10 with 3201 views | gordon |
| Too complacent on 15:42 - Sep 10 by ThisIsMyUsername |
8 hospital deaths in England between 4-9 September.
Of course I would not wish to cause any offence to any of the families of those people but at what point do we stop being so risk adverse and get back on with life as before?
How can a virus with that current level of mortality be changing the face of life as we know it? Of course the rates might increase again, but people die in much greater number from many different causes every day. |
Genuinely don't understand the logic - you're arguing that measures to prevent illness / death are unnecessary because these measures appear successful in preventing illness / death. | | | |
| Too complacent on 16:08 - Sep 10 with 3193 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Too complacent on 16:00 - Sep 10 by gordon |
Genuinely don't understand the logic - you're arguing that measures to prevent illness / death are unnecessary because these measures appear successful in preventing illness / death. |
No, I understand that, and I recognised that if the measures were lifted the death rates would increase again. But would they rise exponentially and is it a reason to not shift things back to normal and hope/assume the virus weakens and become just 'another thing that can kill you' in the world?
On a total tangent, 2/3 of the UK adult population are overweight/obese and McDonald's are now advertising their new triple cheeseburger. How many people die from heart disease etc each year? Things like that just don't sit right to me. | |
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| Too complacent on 16:31 - Sep 10 with 3162 views | 26_Paz |
| Too complacent on 16:00 - Sep 10 by gordon |
Genuinely don't understand the logic - you're arguing that measures to prevent illness / death are unnecessary because these measures appear successful in preventing illness / death. |
That’s not what he’s saying at all. What he’s saying is that when there are 1000 deaths a day it is easy to justify serious restrictions on freedoms. It’s not so easy to justify it when deaths are so low. Basically there’s a point that the lockdown measures and their effects on the majority of the population becomes worse than a bit of the rona flying around ... | |
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| Too complacent on 16:44 - Sep 10 with 3147 views | itfc_bucks |
| Too complacent on 16:31 - Sep 10 by 26_Paz |
That’s not what he’s saying at all. What he’s saying is that when there are 1000 deaths a day it is easy to justify serious restrictions on freedoms. It’s not so easy to justify it when deaths are so low. Basically there’s a point that the lockdown measures and their effects on the majority of the population becomes worse than a bit of the rona flying around ... |
The bit that concerns me has just come to light in the MSM - what are the long-term effects of having had COVID? A friend of mine, otherwise relatively healthy has been absolutely wiped out by the virus.
Despite never being in any life threatening condition, her quality of life has been absolutely destroyed. |  | | |
| Too complacent on 16:46 - Sep 10 with 3147 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Too complacent on 16:31 - Sep 10 by 26_Paz |
That’s not what he’s saying at all. What he’s saying is that when there are 1000 deaths a day it is easy to justify serious restrictions on freedoms. It’s not so easy to justify it when deaths are so low. Basically there’s a point that the lockdown measures and their effects on the majority of the population becomes worse than a bit of the rona flying around ... |
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to get spoken about much by the media, as if we are meant to accept everything without questioning whether it's right or not, and just hold our hands up and say 'Ok this is the way things will be now'.
I did see the below story couple of weeks ago, surprisingly on the BBC. I wondered if this could be a slow start of sewing the seeds for a return to normal through the media, or is this just wishful thinking?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 | |
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| Too complacent on 16:50 - Sep 10 with 3138 views | pennblue |
| Too complacent on 17:44 - Sep 9 by gtsb1966 |
Don't you think the government got complacent too. Eat out to help out being a prime example. |
Are you referring to the 'eat out and spread it about' scheme? | |
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| Too complacent on 17:39 - Sep 10 with 3103 views | 26_Paz |
| Too complacent on 16:46 - Sep 10 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to get spoken about much by the media, as if we are meant to accept everything without questioning whether it's right or not, and just hold our hands up and say 'Ok this is the way things will be now'.
I did see the below story couple of weeks ago, surprisingly on the BBC. I wondered if this could be a slow start of sewing the seeds for a return to normal through the media, or is this just wishful thinking?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 |
I saw that as well and, yes, very surprised it was on the BBC. I think the country is in danger of being overtaken by mass hysteria. The situation is not like it was in March, nowhere near. We have to live our lives as close to normally as possible. You can not eliminate all risk in everything ... | |
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| Too complacent on 23:20 - Sep 10 with 3030 views | LeoMuff |
| Too complacent on 16:31 - Sep 10 by 26_Paz |
That’s not what he’s saying at all. What he’s saying is that when there are 1000 deaths a day it is easy to justify serious restrictions on freedoms. It’s not so easy to justify it when deaths are so low. Basically there’s a point that the lockdown measures and their effects on the majority of the population becomes worse than a bit of the rona flying around ... |
Surely it’s those restrictions that are keeping levels low, that’s why we have them. The virus is still out there, and most probably will be back strongly once cold and flu seasons hits.
I can’t see a scenario where the current restrictions on liberty are worse than the 60000 excess deaths from April to June. |  |
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| Too complacent on 06:38 - Sep 11 with 2996 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Too complacent on 23:20 - Sep 10 by LeoMuff |
Surely it’s those restrictions that are keeping levels low, that’s why we have them. The virus is still out there, and most probably will be back strongly once cold and flu seasons hits.
I can’t see a scenario where the current restrictions on liberty are worse than the 60000 excess deaths from April to June. |
As we are only at 41000 official CV deaths now ( and even that figure is disputable ), what do you think might have been the cause of a large chunk of those excess deaths? | | | |
| Too complacent on 07:06 - Sep 11 with 2988 views | LeoMuff |
| Too complacent on 06:38 - Sep 11 by Harry_Palmer |
As we are only at 41000 official CV deaths now ( and even that figure is disputable ), what do you think might have been the cause of a large chunk of those excess deaths? |
COVID , there will be many died without a test, or died due to another health condition worsened by COVID. | |
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| Too complacent on 11:40 - Sep 11 with 2938 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Too complacent on 07:06 - Sep 11 by LeoMuff |
COVID , there will be many died without a test, or died due to another health condition worsened by COVID. |
I beg to differ. Thousands of Covid deaths were registered without a test and the vast majority were 'died with' Covid not 'died of'. I don't think there were many missed opportunities to link a death with Covid.
The other thousands of excess deaths recorded must have been caused by something else that happened at that time…. | | | |
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