| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:43 - Sep 16 with 1268 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:20 - Sep 15 by J2BLUE |
Young guy on the verge of accomplishing a dream of being signed by a Premier League team with an agent in his ear telling him god knows what. Who knows what his agent has told him. Money drying up due to covid, you might get injured, this is your big opportunity, Euros next summer and you never know etc etc.
He hasn't handled it well but i'm more interested in how he reacts when the window closes. Mings was pissed off and wanted to go but soon got over it and gave 100%.
Also, i'm not sure I entirely trust Lambert and Taylor. I think we need to hear both sides when this is resolved one way or another. |
And look where MIngs is now - the fact he got on with the job and did it well before getting his breakthrough is the sort of thing top managers look at.. |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:48 - Sep 16 with 1256 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:39 - Sep 16 by itfcjoe |
"You'd have to ask Flynn if he wants to play"
Which the club won't allow to happen - so the club controls the narrative.
And Lambert claims to 'not know' whether he wanted to play on Sunday.
They are bare faced liars, it is part of being a football manager to do so to the press at times - and that isn't a criticism. |
It depends though, doesn't it? Yes they might lie about a player's injury status, or a formation etc. (to throw an up-coming opponent), but for something like this they don't need to make any comment at all.
Equally I don't see any benefit in pissing off your best player just for the fun of it.
Lambert could just as easily say "I don't think he's ready yet" and leave it at that. Everyone would be fine with that, and the player wouldn't be pissed off.
All these little comments are either Lambert/Taylor lying (and in the process upsetting their best and most valuable player) ...or they're actually just speaking the truth.
I know which is most logical. |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:50 - Sep 16 with 1242 views | jayessess |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:28 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
You seem to be bringing your agenda with you. If it was anyone other than Lambert you'd be saying it looks like the player doesn't want to play. |
I'm not sure what's meant by "bringing your agenda" here. I don't think Lambert (and his team) are particularly trustworthy and therefore don't trust that their media statements are always in good faith. That's a perfectly normal way of navigating what's going on in the world, isn't it?
As it happens I think their statements on Downes would strike me as evasive and obfuscatory, even if they came from a manager I liked. |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:02 - Sep 16 with 1221 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:50 - Sep 16 by jayessess |
I'm not sure what's meant by "bringing your agenda" here. I don't think Lambert (and his team) are particularly trustworthy and therefore don't trust that their media statements are always in good faith. That's a perfectly normal way of navigating what's going on in the world, isn't it?
As it happens I think their statements on Downes would strike me as evasive and obfuscatory, even if they came from a manager I liked. |
I mean, you've literally just admitted your agenda right there. You don't like Lambert, which is why you're putting the blame on him for all this.
Have a read of what I posted to Joe. It just doesn't make any sense why they would piss off their best and most valuable player for no reason.
If you step back and look at it logically, from everything we know it looks increasingly like the player not wanting to play. I love Flynn as a player and I really want to be wrong on this... but come on, be honest, it really does look like it's him (and his agent) who are at fault.
Bear in mind as well, if this really is Lambert and Taylor telling porkies, they'll be pissing off Flynn's teammates too. What on earth would be the benefit of that? | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:24 - Sep 16 with 1189 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:02 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
I mean, you've literally just admitted your agenda right there. You don't like Lambert, which is why you're putting the blame on him for all this.
Have a read of what I posted to Joe. It just doesn't make any sense why they would piss off their best and most valuable player for no reason.
If you step back and look at it logically, from everything we know it looks increasingly like the player not wanting to play. I love Flynn as a player and I really want to be wrong on this... but come on, be honest, it really does look like it's him (and his agent) who are at fault.
Bear in mind as well, if this really is Lambert and Taylor telling porkies, they'll be pissing off Flynn's teammates too. What on earth would be the benefit of that? |
They've not remotely cared about pissing people off in the recent past. His team mates already think the manager is a joke anyway. |  | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:29 - Sep 16 with 1183 views | jayessess |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:02 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
I mean, you've literally just admitted your agenda right there. You don't like Lambert, which is why you're putting the blame on him for all this.
Have a read of what I posted to Joe. It just doesn't make any sense why they would piss off their best and most valuable player for no reason.
If you step back and look at it logically, from everything we know it looks increasingly like the player not wanting to play. I love Flynn as a player and I really want to be wrong on this... but come on, be honest, it really does look like it's him (and his agent) who are at fault.
Bear in mind as well, if this really is Lambert and Taylor telling porkies, they'll be pissing off Flynn's teammates too. What on earth would be the benefit of that? |
In what sense is me not liking Lambert "an agenda"? It's just a regular, good-old-fashioned ordinary "opinion", isn't it?
Lambert has form for getting angry with people and banishing them. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:33 - Sep 16 with 1179 views | TractorJack |
Real shame that some people are happy to criticise Flynn in this situation considering how he's openly talked about suffering from stress/anxiety in the past. |  | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:40 - Sep 16 with 1151 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:29 - Sep 16 by jayessess |
In what sense is me not liking Lambert "an agenda"? It's just a regular, good-old-fashioned ordinary "opinion", isn't it?
Lambert has form for getting angry with people and banishing them. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. |
Yes, but that opinion is clouding your judgement.
Who has Lambert 'banished"?!
Whatever you think of Lambert as a manager, he's not an idiot. And to "banish" your best player for simply handing in a transfer request would be idiocy beyond belief. Lambert knows he's on borrowed time and has to get us winning as quickly as possible or he's out of a job. So what does he do? He banishes our best player!
Nope, sorry fella, it doesn't make sense. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:44 - Sep 16 with 1140 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:40 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Yes, but that opinion is clouding your judgement.
Who has Lambert 'banished"?!
Whatever you think of Lambert as a manager, he's not an idiot. And to "banish" your best player for simply handing in a transfer request would be idiocy beyond belief. Lambert knows he's on borrowed time and has to get us winning as quickly as possible or he's out of a job. So what does he do? He banishes our best player!
Nope, sorry fella, it doesn't make sense. |
Darren Bent at Villa. | | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:44 - Sep 16 with 1140 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:33 - Sep 16 by TractorJack |
Real shame that some people are happy to criticise Flynn in this situation considering how he's openly talked about suffering from stress/anxiety in the past. |
Has he? Not seen that myself. Got a link?
If that is the case here, why wouldn't Lambert and Taylor just say "His head's not in the right place at the moment" and leave it at that? Why would they make all these little digs and allude to poor advice from his agent? Whatever you think of them as a management team, they're not complete assholes! | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:45 - Sep 16 with 1130 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:44 - Sep 16 by FoghornGleghorn |
Darren Bent at Villa. |
So 4 managerial appointments ago he "banished" someone. And that makes him a manager who likes to banish players? Righto. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:50 - Sep 16 with 1120 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:45 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
So 4 managerial appointments ago he "banished" someone. And that makes him a manager who likes to banish players? Righto. |
He did it at Colchester, he even banished Wes Hoolahan at Norwich before he became their greatest player in history of the club |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:50 - Sep 16 with 1117 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:45 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
So 4 managerial appointments ago he "banished" someone. And that makes him a manager who likes to banish players? Righto. |
Stand down there buddy, I largely agree with you, but you asked who Lambert has "banished" and I told you who (amongst several others at the same time, look up the "bomb squad") he "banished". | | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:53 - Sep 16 with 1106 views | jayessess |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:40 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Yes, but that opinion is clouding your judgement.
Who has Lambert 'banished"?!
Whatever you think of Lambert as a manager, he's not an idiot. And to "banish" your best player for simply handing in a transfer request would be idiocy beyond belief. Lambert knows he's on borrowed time and has to get us winning as quickly as possible or he's out of a job. So what does he do? He banishes our best player!
Nope, sorry fella, it doesn't make sense. |
I'm the one who's reserving judgement here. You're the one who's "reading between the lines". | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:57 - Sep 16 with 1089 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:53 - Sep 16 by jayessess |
I'm the one who's reserving judgement here. You're the one who's "reading between the lines". |
Not really. I'm going on what's been said. It's you Lambert-outers who are doing backflips to try and make it the manager at fault. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:58 - Sep 16 with 1085 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:50 - Sep 16 by FoghornGleghorn |
Stand down there buddy, I largely agree with you, but you asked who Lambert has "banished" and I told you who (amongst several others at the same time, look up the "bomb squad") he "banished". |
Yeah that's fine. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:00 - Sep 16 with 1077 views | jayessess |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:57 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Not really. I'm going on what's been said. It's you Lambert-outers who are doing backflips to try and make it the manager at fault. |
Reading between the lines is a verbatim quote from you. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:01 - Sep 16 with 1075 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:50 - Sep 16 by itfcjoe |
He did it at Colchester, he even banished Wes Hoolahan at Norwich before he became their greatest player in history of the club |
Did he say that he'd banished these players and why? | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:04 - Sep 16 with 1070 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 12:50 - Sep 16 by itfcjoe |
He did it at Colchester, he even banished Wes Hoolahan at Norwich before he became their greatest player in history of the club |
Jordan Graham at Wolves and Berahino at Stoke too. Although the latter with very good reason probably. | | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:08 - Sep 16 with 1055 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:00 - Sep 16 by jayessess |
Reading between the lines is a verbatim quote from you. |
"There's really not that much reading between the lines required" is also a verbatim quote from me. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:11 - Sep 16 with 1044 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:08 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
"There's really not that much reading between the lines required" is also a verbatim quote from me. |
So you've put forward a contradictory argument it seems. |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:11 - Sep 16 with 1043 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:01 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Did he say that he'd banished these players and why? |
I only know from Col U fans about their one, but no - they were seen as key players and not disrupters but he just wanted rid of them so they were banished. No real comment to press about it, as doesn't like speaking to the press about anything. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:14 - Sep 16 with 1032 views | jayessess |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:08 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
"There's really not that much reading between the lines required" is also a verbatim quote from me. |
Your position is that Downes has definitely refused to play, based on your interpretation of remarks that (a) don't definitively say that and (b) are only one side of the story, in any case.
My position is that I'm reserving judgement on whether Downes has refused to play, certainly until someone is prepared to actually state on the record that he has. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:14 - Sep 16 with 1032 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:01 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Did he say that he'd banished these players and why? |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/norwich/8230245.stm
So was Hoolhan and Doherty at Norwich
"I'm not going to push them out the door but they'll find it hard to play here. I'll go with the group of lads that's done well," said Lambert. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:28 - Sep 16 with 1008 views | BiGDonnie |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:08 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
"There's really not that much reading between the lines required" is also a verbatim quote from me. |
You're just looking for a row ain't ya? |  |
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