| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) 09:55 - Sep 24 with 6095 views | MaySixth |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:03 - Sep 24 with 3400 views | StokieBlue |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 10:58 - Sep 24 by urbanblue |
Yes, once again reluctantly, I would say the same about Woolfie. As professionals they should understand the situation. It's a team game and one individual change at the back cold upset the balance. As long as the back four are playing well and we are keeping clean sheets why would we want to change it?
Jackson is a different situation. There is a shirt going free up front possibly, as Norwood certainly hasn't done enough to keep it yet. Of course, where Jackson would fit in is a conundrum much discussed already on here. |
Can't agree on this, if the upgrade is big enough (and Wilson to Wolfie is massive) then you have to make the change.
By your logic Liverpool would probably win most matches without Salah playing due to injury but he shouldn't come straight back in when fit.
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:16 - Sep 24 with 3386 views | urbanblue |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:03 - Sep 24 by StokieBlue |
Can't agree on this, if the upgrade is big enough (and Wilson to Wolfie is massive) then you have to make the change.
By your logic Liverpool would probably win most matches without Salah playing due to injury but he shouldn't come straight back in when fit.
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Yes, I agree the upgrade is big ... Totally. But there is a difference between bringing back a proven striker in the Premier league as against disrupting a defense that seems to be working, having often been suspect, in League 1.
If Lambert hadn't talked about keeping the shirt to motivate the players (Which seems to have worked) I may well feel differently. |  | | |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:18 - Sep 24 with 3383 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Yep, definitely. And then push Chambers to the centre assuming Wolf is not fully fit. I suspect he would drop out for wolf if he is and then Ward would get the armband.
I know this isn't a Ward thread - but what a piece of business he looks. |  |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:19 - Sep 24 with 3381 views | StokieBlue |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:16 - Sep 24 by urbanblue |
Yes, I agree the upgrade is big ... Totally. But there is a difference between bringing back a proven striker in the Premier league as against disrupting a defense that seems to be working, having often been suspect, in League 1.
If Lambert hadn't talked about keeping the shirt to motivate the players (Which seems to have worked) I may well feel differently. |
We can agree to disagree on this one :).
I think our defence has barely been tested thus far and whilst Wilson has played well there is still a mistake in there and I doubt he expects to be first choice.
We will see how the season goes.
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:19 - Sep 24 with 3380 views | dirtyboy |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 09:56 - Sep 24 by StokieBlue |
Immediately.
KVY is a huge force at this level.
Chambers has been pretty good at RB but there were a few signs last match that he's going to be inconsistent in that position. He's still a very decent RB, especially defensively but isn't very dynamic going forward and runs out of ideas.
We also miss KVY dribbling at the defence.
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A huge force based on 9 appearances and having been out for nearly a year?
Let's see how he comes back shall we? Give the lad at least a chance to get back to full match fitness. |  | | |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:20 - Sep 24 with 3370 views | StokieBlue |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:19 - Sep 24 by dirtyboy |
A huge force based on 9 appearances and having been out for nearly a year?
Let's see how he comes back shall we? Give the lad at least a chance to get back to full match fitness. |
Once again, the title clearly says "If fully fit" and thus the reply was based on that assumption.
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:22 - Sep 24 with 3363 views | urbanblue |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:19 - Sep 24 by StokieBlue |
We can agree to disagree on this one :).
I think our defence has barely been tested thus far and whilst Wilson has played well there is still a mistake in there and I doubt he expects to be first choice.
We will see how the season goes.
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Indeed ... I have no doubt they will both be back sooner or later. | | | |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:38 - Sep 24 with 3350 views | davblue |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 10:43 - Sep 24 by catch74 |
He brings an energy and forward thrust! that not many others in the team have. The impact of Lankester and Downes, the most obvious change in energy so far this season, plus the overall play of Dozzell, looking forwards first. Reckon thats rubbed off on Nolan too.
Get him in. |
so 150 points, 150 goals, is that what you mean? |  | | |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:59 - Sep 24 with 3341 views | Terry_Nutkins |
Yes.
But then being fully fit isn't possible without a phased return so it's a moot point. Ideally he would return with 20-30 min appearances and then 60 mins from starts and then up and running.
But a fit KVY is first name on team sheet. |  |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:03 - Sep 24 with 3335 views | Metal_Hacker |
"Play for the shirt " or no play for the shirt he's a definite starter for me
If it's not such an obvious upgrade it'd be a tough call but........
I want MY best XI starting and KVY was/is most definitely one of those |  |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:11 - Sep 24 with 3330 views | PJH |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 10:03 - Sep 24 by Swailsey |
Yes.
KVY | Chambers | Woolfie | Ward
That's a very good back line for this level, with Toto, Wilson and newbie as excellent backup. |
That is what I would like if all four fit and available at the same time. |  | | |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:14 - Sep 24 with 3327 views | Metal_Hacker |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:11 - Sep 24 by PJH |
That is what I would like if all four fit and available at the same time. |
And if they're not .....
Chambers - Woolfy - McGuinness - Ward
Two young un's directed by the two others | |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:17 - Sep 24 with 3323 views | PJH |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:14 - Sep 24 by Metal_Hacker |
And if they're not .....
Chambers - Woolfy - McGuinness - Ward
Two young un's directed by the two others |
Yes that is good for me.
I think a fit KVY walks into the side but Chambers at RB if not is fine and your two in the middle looks good-not sure that it will happen though. | | | |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:18 - Sep 24 with 3321 views | Metal_Hacker |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:17 - Sep 24 by PJH |
Yes that is good for me.
I think a fit KVY walks into the side but Chambers at RB if not is fine and your two in the middle looks good-not sure that it will happen though. |
I'd really like to see :
KVY - Woolfy - McG - Ward (c)
Bit of a stretch perhaps but....be quite exciting | |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:22 - Sep 24 with 3311 views | Herbivore |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:18 - Sep 24 by Metal_Hacker |
I'd really like to see :
KVY - Woolfy - McG - Ward (c)
Bit of a stretch perhaps but....be quite exciting |
Not enough experience in that back line to play regularly at this level. McGuiness has played two under 21 games for Arsenal, it's a lot to expect him to be a first team regular immediately here. |  |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:25 - Sep 24 with 3308 views | Metal_Hacker |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:22 - Sep 24 by Herbivore |
Not enough experience in that back line to play regularly at this level. McGuiness has played two under 21 games for Arsenal, it's a lot to expect him to be a first team regular immediately here. |
I was suggesting at some point perhaps
Perhaps be inexperienced BUT if as good as suggested , then why not at some point | |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:28 - Sep 24 with 3302 views | Herbivore |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:25 - Sep 24 by Metal_Hacker |
I was suggesting at some point perhaps
Perhaps be inexperienced BUT if as good as suggested , then why not at some point |
Some big ifs in there. We don't know how good McGuiness is or how up to this level of football he is going to be. I don't really understand the desperation to drop our club captain for an unproven kid who is here for a year. | |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:31 - Sep 24 with 3301 views | BiGDonnie |
Wilson would be dropped and Chambo would go back into the centre.
The real question is who then plays at CB? Woolf has to play and I'd be inclined to keep Toto in next to him meaning Chambo would indeed drop to the bench. |  |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:34 - Sep 24 with 3295 views | Metal_Hacker |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:28 - Sep 24 by Herbivore |
Some big ifs in there. We don't know how good McGuiness is or how up to this level of football he is going to be. I don't really understand the desperation to drop our club captain for an unproven kid who is here for a year. |
Not desperation but if McG happens to be an upgrade on Chambers then he should start
Agreed we don't know yet but I don't think for one minute a guy captaining his side regardless of age and training with a Premier League first team would come here to keep to bench warm
It'll be interesting over the next few weeks that's for sure all over the pitch | |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:57 - Sep 24 with 3288 views | BrixtonBlue |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:34 - Sep 24 by Metal_Hacker |
Not desperation but if McG happens to be an upgrade on Chambers then he should start
Agreed we don't know yet but I don't think for one minute a guy captaining his side regardless of age and training with a Premier League first team would come here to keep to bench warm
It'll be interesting over the next few weeks that's for sure all over the pitch |
Yeah I've been wondering about this. Surely Arsenal will be sending him here expecting him to play. As you say, sitting on the bench isn't going to do anything for his experience. They may even have a clause that he has to play X amount of games? |  |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 13:02 - Sep 24 with 3282 views | itfcjoe |
Yes, same as Downes - although I'd move Chambers back to a central role |  |
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| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 13:05 - Sep 24 with 3273 views | PJH |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 12:57 - Sep 24 by BrixtonBlue |
Yeah I've been wondering about this. Surely Arsenal will be sending him here expecting him to play. As you say, sitting on the bench isn't going to do anything for his experience. They may even have a clause that he has to play X amount of games? |
I am sure Arsenal will be expecting him to get quite a lot of game time which, to me anyway, suggests that short term and maybe long term news about KVY or Woolfy or both is not good.
Despite the need to have depth in various positions I do not think the depth in central defence needs to include five players who could be considered first teamers. | | | |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 13:21 - Sep 24 with 3264 views | braveblue |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 10:03 - Sep 24 by Swailsey |
Yes.
KVY | Chambers | Woolfie | Ward
That's a very good back line for this level, with Toto, Wilson and newbie as excellent backup. |
Thought we were against too much change? Bring him back at right back but keep the rest the same. | | | |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 14:55 - Sep 24 with 3225 views | dirtyboy |
| If fully fit, would you bring Vincent-Young straight back in for Chambers? (n/t) on 11:20 - Sep 24 by StokieBlue |
Once again, the title clearly says "If fully fit" and thus the reply was based on that assumption.
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You can't base a player's selection on fitness, hence people doing their "team selection for Saturday..." posts are woefully informed as to what is actually the best team.
KVY could be match fit but playing like a dog in a ball pit in training for all we know.
I'm being a tad flippant obviously.
If KVY is on form in training and fully fit, you'd expect him to start to feature, but certainly not 'straight in' not at all. | | | |
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