| A proper leader 17:23 - Oct 13 with 8581 views | SitfcB |
Get him in next time
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| A proper leader on 22:09 - Oct 14 with 691 views | eireblue |
| A proper leader on 20:49 - Oct 14 by 26_Paz |
I must admit I did forget about the getting trollied part! It was months ago! I’ll give you that one! [Post edited 14 Oct 2020 20:56]
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“I’ll give you that one!”
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| A proper leader on 11:49 - Oct 15 with 611 views | 26_Paz |
| A proper leader on 22:09 - Oct 14 by eireblue |
“I’ll give you that one!”
LOL.
Nothing was given. |
Accidental up arrow!
I have him that he was right and I was wrong |  |
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| A proper leader on 12:06 - Oct 15 with 599 views | clive_baker |
I don't disagree with the general sentiment of getting him in to power, I like the cut of KS's jib generally, but I'm not in favour of a 3 week national lockdown, it's absolute lunacy. People are losing jobs hand over fist, the economy is tanking and the increasing level of debt we'll have to service is crippling. 90 million people globally are going to be forced into severe poverty thanks to Covid. Not minor hardship, but severe poverty. 90 million people. The way the West has responded to this has been one almighty balls up.
For what? 3 million cancer patients going unscreened? The average Covid death has been 82.4 years old. The average age of non Covid deaths over the same period was 81.5. 6 Covid deaths per 1,000 infections, a mortality rate of 0.6%, down from 30 per 1,000 in June.
Of course in an ideal world, nobody gets Covid, and we all need to do what we can to help prevent the spread of Covid. But in a socialist state that we live in, we need to look at the whole picture and wider implications of blanket lockdowns. I wonder if politicians would be so quick to enforce national lockdowns if their own incomes were dependant on it. |  |
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| A proper leader on 12:08 - Oct 15 with 589 views | 26_Paz |
| A proper leader on 12:06 - Oct 15 by clive_baker |
I don't disagree with the general sentiment of getting him in to power, I like the cut of KS's jib generally, but I'm not in favour of a 3 week national lockdown, it's absolute lunacy. People are losing jobs hand over fist, the economy is tanking and the increasing level of debt we'll have to service is crippling. 90 million people globally are going to be forced into severe poverty thanks to Covid. Not minor hardship, but severe poverty. 90 million people. The way the West has responded to this has been one almighty balls up.
For what? 3 million cancer patients going unscreened? The average Covid death has been 82.4 years old. The average age of non Covid deaths over the same period was 81.5. 6 Covid deaths per 1,000 infections, a mortality rate of 0.6%, down from 30 per 1,000 in June.
Of course in an ideal world, nobody gets Covid, and we all need to do what we can to help prevent the spread of Covid. But in a socialist state that we live in, we need to look at the whole picture and wider implications of blanket lockdowns. I wonder if politicians would be so quick to enforce national lockdowns if their own incomes were dependant on it. |
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| A proper leader on 12:11 - Oct 15 with 585 views | itfcjoe |
| A proper leader on 12:06 - Oct 15 by clive_baker |
I don't disagree with the general sentiment of getting him in to power, I like the cut of KS's jib generally, but I'm not in favour of a 3 week national lockdown, it's absolute lunacy. People are losing jobs hand over fist, the economy is tanking and the increasing level of debt we'll have to service is crippling. 90 million people globally are going to be forced into severe poverty thanks to Covid. Not minor hardship, but severe poverty. 90 million people. The way the West has responded to this has been one almighty balls up.
For what? 3 million cancer patients going unscreened? The average Covid death has been 82.4 years old. The average age of non Covid deaths over the same period was 81.5. 6 Covid deaths per 1,000 infections, a mortality rate of 0.6%, down from 30 per 1,000 in June.
Of course in an ideal world, nobody gets Covid, and we all need to do what we can to help prevent the spread of Covid. But in a socialist state that we live in, we need to look at the whole picture and wider implications of blanket lockdowns. I wonder if politicians would be so quick to enforce national lockdowns if their own incomes were dependant on it. |
I think the issue is we locked down way too late last time, which then meant it went on for longer - the reality is that we lockdown again, it is just a case of when.
Personally I'd rather get it out of the way now, so Cmas can be relatively normal....but think we are kidding ourselves if we think it isn't going to happen again at some point, which will be disastrous. The numbers are rising massively, just as the NHS goes into it's busiest time of the year |  |
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| A proper leader on 12:21 - Oct 15 with 573 views | clive_baker |
| A proper leader on 12:11 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
I think the issue is we locked down way too late last time, which then meant it went on for longer - the reality is that we lockdown again, it is just a case of when.
Personally I'd rather get it out of the way now, so Cmas can be relatively normal....but think we are kidding ourselves if we think it isn't going to happen again at some point, which will be disastrous. The numbers are rising massively, just as the NHS goes into it's busiest time of the year |
It's not like anyone will stick to the rules now anyway. I'm sure its not a coincidence that there's a correlation between Cummings incident and people flouting the rules more freely. He stared down the barrel of the camera and gave a massive 'f*** you' to the British public that he thinks he's above.
I don't disagree about curbing the spread of Covid, but it has to be more nuanced than national lockdowns. Why should South Suffolk for example, with an infection rate of 30 per 100,000 be subjected to that? It's not befitting of the situation in that area. The wider implications far outweigh that. | |
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| A proper leader on 12:28 - Oct 15 with 566 views | itfcjoe |
| A proper leader on 12:21 - Oct 15 by clive_baker |
It's not like anyone will stick to the rules now anyway. I'm sure its not a coincidence that there's a correlation between Cummings incident and people flouting the rules more freely. He stared down the barrel of the camera and gave a massive 'f*** you' to the British public that he thinks he's above.
I don't disagree about curbing the spread of Covid, but it has to be more nuanced than national lockdowns. Why should South Suffolk for example, with an infection rate of 30 per 100,000 be subjected to that? It's not befitting of the situation in that area. The wider implications far outweigh that. |
I don't disagree with any of that, Cummings especially - but if we do want a lockdown to work then these regional ones are a waste of time.
My mate has Covid currently, he'd been back in the NW visiting his family, luckily is symptomatic so is isolating. People will travel to areas where they can not be under such restrictions.
My Mother in Law lives in Essex, they are going to be in no household mixing from Saturday, but she'll come up to ours in Suffolk on Monday as we need her to help my wife take my kids swimming. We won't go down there though as more blatant we would be breaking the rules.
There was a real in it together spirit previously, that has been lost by Cummings, and other public figures flouting the rules - so it either has to be harsh and natonwide or it isn't worth doing | |
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| A proper leader on 12:53 - Oct 15 with 526 views | clive_baker |
| A proper leader on 12:28 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
I don't disagree with any of that, Cummings especially - but if we do want a lockdown to work then these regional ones are a waste of time.
My mate has Covid currently, he'd been back in the NW visiting his family, luckily is symptomatic so is isolating. People will travel to areas where they can not be under such restrictions.
My Mother in Law lives in Essex, they are going to be in no household mixing from Saturday, but she'll come up to ours in Suffolk on Monday as we need her to help my wife take my kids swimming. We won't go down there though as more blatant we would be breaking the rules.
There was a real in it together spirit previously, that has been lost by Cummings, and other public figures flouting the rules - so it either has to be harsh and natonwide or it isn't worth doing |
I'm not sure if we know that the regional ones are a waste of time. Some people will travel to other areas, inevitably, but as long as the majority of people follow the rules then the regional approach should have the desired effect. Cases in Manchester are levelling off for example.
I think we have to at least try a more granular level, regional approach, albeit imperfect with a view to having as little disruption as possible in lower risk areas. I really don't see how it can be justified that businesses can be forced to shut in areas where cases are tracking at 30 per 100,000. | |
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| A proper leader on 13:04 - Oct 15 with 516 views | Herbivore |
| A proper leader on 12:53 - Oct 15 by clive_baker |
I'm not sure if we know that the regional ones are a waste of time. Some people will travel to other areas, inevitably, but as long as the majority of people follow the rules then the regional approach should have the desired effect. Cases in Manchester are levelling off for example.
I think we have to at least try a more granular level, regional approach, albeit imperfect with a view to having as little disruption as possible in lower risk areas. I really don't see how it can be justified that businesses can be forced to shut in areas where cases are tracking at 30 per 100,000. |
Local measures have been in place for months in some places and cases have continued to rise. They don't work. The UK is a relatively small country and people move around it a lot, local measures don't seem to be sufficient.
Personally I'd rather a 2-3 national lockdown now if it meant getting things under a bit of control and meant avoiding a longer national lockdown in a month or so. That's the way things seem to be headed. Unfortunately we are probably already a month too late for a short lockdown to be effective, the government's scientific advisers were calling for this in September. |  |
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