| These people who don't believe there is a virus 18:35 - Nov 9 with 6459 views | GeoffSentence |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 11:40 - Nov 10 with 1224 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 10:40 - Nov 10 by Ryorry |
Well, no need to label you either a troll or stupid, or both - you hang one of those labels round your own neck.
As usual, you've chosen to ignore the context (which tbf I was sparse with in my first post, but spelled out more of in my follow-up post to you, so you have no excuse for disregarding it).
By definition, someone working in the NHS (the context of my posts) who voted Labour would be voting for a party entirely consistent with the values, aims and ideals of their chosen profession - putting care for all above private profit - which would make them intelligent in that particular context.
Somebody working in the NHS who voted Tory, on the other hand, has been voting for a party whose politics of austerity, cost-cutting, creeping privatisation and stinginess in paying NHS (and other key public services) is at odds with the values, aims and ideals of their chosen profession, puts themselves and their colleagues at risk, does not pay them in a way that is commensurate with their value to society, and even risks their job security (creeping privatisation). That makes it reasonable to regard them as less intelligent than I had done before being made aware of how they voted.
When I mentioned the friend in question possibly having an eye on going into private practice, I'd subtract something from the "less respect for her intelligence quotient" column and transfer it to the "less respect for her decency quotient" column.
Nor have I even now "completely written them off" as you snap-judged in your first post to me. We still meet and chat, I see other things in her than her politics. |
You call me ‘stupid’ and ‘troll’ in your first sentence and then go on to criticise me for ‘snap judging’. Truly astounding. |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 11:42 - Nov 10 with 1221 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 10:27 - Nov 10 by BlueBadger |
Serious answer, the answer is your old favourite : context.
NHS workers voting Tory look stupid because of the reasons I've highlighted earlier one. See also: teachers.
Someone on a six-figure salary from renting out property(say) - you might say they'd be voting against their interests by voting for a Labour party which wanted to impose minimum safety standards upon rental properties, additional protections for tenants, etc. Which would be stupid. Probably a half-decent human being for actually being interested in the welfare of the their tenants, but... |
I certainly get that point and would expect NHS staff to be predominantly Labour supporting. There will be some Tories in there though. Same as there will be some Labour supporters who are bankers, stock brokers etc. I’m sure there was a thread somewhere recently about respecting other people’s opinions without insulting them ... | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 11:52 - Nov 10 with 1196 views | Ryorry |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 11:42 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
I certainly get that point and would expect NHS staff to be predominantly Labour supporting. There will be some Tories in there though. Same as there will be some Labour supporters who are bankers, stock brokers etc. I’m sure there was a thread somewhere recently about respecting other people’s opinions without insulting them ... |
Perhaps if you respected other people's opinions, didn't insult them, and didn't ignore the facts you don't like, you'd be afforded more respect yourself. |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 11:57 - Nov 10 with 1187 views | Ryorry |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 11:40 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
You call me ‘stupid’ and ‘troll’ in your first sentence and then go on to criticise me for ‘snap judging’. Truly astounding. |
I didn't actually, and what I did say was based 100% on the evidence that you yourself posted.
The snap judgement that you posted, on the other hand, was based on zero evidence. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:02 - Nov 10 with 1189 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 11:52 - Nov 10 by Ryorry |
Perhaps if you respected other people's opinions, didn't insult them, and didn't ignore the facts you don't like, you'd be afforded more respect yourself. |
Please provide some examples of where I have insulted people.
I take far, far more insults on here than I dish out. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:10 - Nov 10 with 1176 views | eireblue |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:02 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Please provide some examples of where I have insulted people.
I take far, far more insults on here than I dish out. |
One persons insult is another persons misunderstood context.
Maybe you just struggle with context more than others.
That isn’t a criticism by the way, it is actionable positive feedback. |  | | |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:12 - Nov 10 with 1165 views | Ryorry |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:02 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Please provide some examples of where I have insulted people.
I take far, far more insults on here than I dish out. |
You've insulted me twice on this thread alone, and I'd been one of the people who'd previously cut you some generous amounts of slack whilst never insulting you.
Now kindly stop wasting my time (which I'm pretty sure is one of your objectives, so any further attempts at that on your part will be given the 'shortcut' response). | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:14 - Nov 10 with 1167 views | SpruceMoose |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 11:52 - Nov 10 by Ryorry |
Perhaps if you respected other people's opinions, didn't insult them, and didn't ignore the facts you don't like, you'd be afforded more respect yourself. |
Boom. |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:20 - Nov 10 with 1153 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:02 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Please provide some examples of where I have insulted people.
I take far, far more insults on here than I dish out. |
You probably do, to be fair, and you do engage with what people say from the other side of the argument.
I don't understand why you want to speak up for a party which is sleep-walking us into fascist control and eliminating all checks and balances, and I hope that you come to see that that is what is going on.
Know this: Johnson and Cummings do not give two flying fcks for you. They don't care whether you live or die. If they did they would have very different policies. They care only for power, for themselves and will give only to those who can enable their ends.
They are truly dangerous. Look at how they deselected Rory Stewart by text message because he had the temerity to outline a coherent alternative vision for the Tory Party, and to reunite the country, in the leadership contest. They don't want a united nation. They want division and scapegoats. This is fascism! |  | | |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:37 - Nov 10 with 1130 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:12 - Nov 10 by Ryorry |
You've insulted me twice on this thread alone, and I'd been one of the people who'd previously cut you some generous amounts of slack whilst never insulting you.
Now kindly stop wasting my time (which I'm pretty sure is one of your objectives, so any further attempts at that on your part will be given the 'shortcut' response). |
The ignorant thing was possibly a little far, apologies. I can’t for the life of me think what the second insult could be.
If you think that’s bad, and if it made you feel uncomfortable I genuinely apologise, you should see some of the stuff I get on a daily basis. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:43 - Nov 10 with 1122 views | SpruceMoose |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:37 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
The ignorant thing was possibly a little far, apologies. I can’t for the life of me think what the second insult could be.
If you think that’s bad, and if it made you feel uncomfortable I genuinely apologise, you should see some of the stuff I get on a daily basis. |
I feel it's my duty to point out (seeing as you are comparing your forum experience to Ryorry's) that one of you is an absolute wrong 'un and the other isn't. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:45 - Nov 10 with 1121 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
It's an "a+b+c+d+e+f=x" kind of article, where we know the values of "a" and "b", and have some hints of what "c" is, and of what "d" isn't, so extrapolate "x". Enough truth to be worrying.
Much more likely that there is a rise in populism in some Western nations and some leaders are hitching their waggon to that to gain more control for themselves and their backers. The "download track and trace or be sent to a concentration camp" thing is not, currently, Government policy, but could happen and is the kind of control that I fear and which makes me very attentive to the other steps taken to control the population and remove both human rights and mechanisms for Government accountability.
I really don't see any evidence of the socialist "No private property" agenda from Boris and co, though.
So a very partial set of data spun out to a worrying conclusion. I'd rather concentrate on what is definitely happening in plain sight here in the UK, rather than need to spin that into some global mega-conspiracy. | | | |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:50 - Nov 10 with 1109 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:43 - Nov 10 by SpruceMoose |
I feel it's my duty to point out (seeing as you are comparing your forum experience to Ryorry's) that one of you is an absolute wrong 'un and the other isn't. |
Exhibit A, my lord | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 13:15 - Nov 10 with 1089 views | SpruceMoose |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:50 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Exhibit A, my lord |
Do we really need to go over your child death sneering, racist and homophobe cheering greatest hits again?
I think not. The forum has you pegged by now. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 13:45 - Nov 10 with 1070 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 13:15 - Nov 10 by SpruceMoose |
Do we really need to go over your child death sneering, racist and homophobe cheering greatest hits again?
I think not. The forum has you pegged by now. |
Have a day off mate. Seriously, just have a day off. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 14:07 - Nov 10 with 1054 views | SpruceMoose |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 13:45 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Have a day off mate. Seriously, just have a day off. |
Can't ever afford to have a day off from tackling discrimination and hatred mate. It's a never ending battle.
Tiring but fulfilling work. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 14:12 - Nov 10 with 1047 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 14:07 - Nov 10 by SpruceMoose |
Can't ever afford to have a day off from tackling discrimination and hatred mate. It's a never ending battle.
Tiring but fulfilling work. |
Tackle discrimination and hatred all you like, where it actually exists. Have a day off from your relentless anti Paz campaign though. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 14:16 - Nov 10 with 1040 views | SpruceMoose |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 14:12 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Tackle discrimination and hatred all you like, where it actually exists. Have a day off from your relentless anti Paz campaign though. |
It's not anti-Paz. Don't flatter yourself. You're just the latest in a long line of rotters I've grappled with on here. I just point out inconsistencies, hypocrisy and untruthful statements where ever I find them.
If I find them more often than most in your posts then maybe that's something for you to think on.
Good day! | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 15:37 - Nov 10 with 989 views | mrfixit426 |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:43 - Nov 10 by SpruceMoose |
I feel it's my duty to point out (seeing as you are comparing your forum experience to Ryorry's) that one of you is an absolute wrong 'un and the other isn't. |
This really isn't helpful. And it says more about you than him. [Post edited 10 Nov 2020 15:38]
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 15:59 - Nov 10 with 965 views | SpruceMoose |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 15:37 - Nov 10 by mrfixit426 |
This really isn't helpful. And it says more about you than him. [Post edited 10 Nov 2020 15:38]
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Mhmmm.
Whatever you say. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 16:46 - Nov 10 with 932 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 16:20 - Nov 10 by Ryorry |
I think you're rather overlooking that Paz set out to be deliberately "controversial" here to provoke a reaction. Which he duly got. He knows what he's doing with his "butter wouldn't melt"  tactics. |
Ridiculous. I’ve apologised if I caused any offence by using the word ‘ignorant’. I’m still waiting for your apology for calling me a ‘troll’ and ‘stupid’. Never mind, I’m not expecting one because abusing Tories is fair game, init. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 17:34 - Nov 10 with 918 views | eireblue |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 12:50 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Exhibit A, my lord |
What definition of “wrong’un” are you using? | | | |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 17:41 - Nov 10 with 909 views | SpruceMoose |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 16:46 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Ridiculous. I’ve apologised if I caused any offence by using the word ‘ignorant’. I’m still waiting for your apology for calling me a ‘troll’ and ‘stupid’. Never mind, I’m not expecting one because abusing Tories is fair game, init. |
Imagine defining yourself by following a political party.
That's half the problem here. People fleshing out a poorly developed sense of self by clamping onto a political party like a barnacle. When they win, you feel like you win. It's not the political party who has won, it's you who has won... Finally! It's similar to being a Kent based Man Utd fan in the 2000s.
It's sad. | |
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