| These people who don't believe there is a virus 18:35 - Nov 9 with 7193 views | GeoffSentence |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:10 - Nov 9 with 2177 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 19:52 - Nov 9 by Ryorry |
Back in March or April, a medical Dr. in India came out of a temple saying she was safe because God would protect her.
A NHS worker that I know actually voted Tory. Unbelievable really. I'd regarded her as intelligent before she said that.
There are some very strange people around. |
You have completely written somebody off because they vote Tory? I’m sorry but that is incredibly ignorant. |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:19 - Nov 9 with 2171 views | BlueBadger |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:10 - Nov 9 by 26_Paz |
You have completely written somebody off because they vote Tory? I’m sorry but that is incredibly ignorant. |
Not nearly as ignorant as working in healthcare and somehow STILL thinking that they're a force for good. The last ten years we've all sat through mental health becoming even more of a 'Cinderella service' despite ever-growing demand(8% real-terms funding cuts between 2010 and 2015, for example, if you're asking) , ever-increasing waiting lists, worsening winter bed crises, attacks on educational funding, our highly-qualified overseas colleagues being vilified and told they're not wanted, increasing barriers to starting training, growing and ever more obvious privatisation(with an accompanying drop in standards), ever-more poor staffing levels, f*ckwitted '7 day NHS horsesh*t) and gross incompetence on every level in managing a pandemic.
No-one's daft enough to deny that there was issues pre-2010, but they've ALL been exacerbated, sometimes wilfully, by increasingly incompetent and hardline Conservative-led governments.
To think that Blue Passport Boris and his chums somehow STILL are the way forward if you're an NHS employee is frankly, breathtaking thickery.
And this is BEFORE you get into the whole 'most multicultural workforce in the world' vs 'the open xenophobia and racism of the current government' thing.
I daresay that there's teachers who vote Tory as well, despite the amount of f*ckery they've worked with education as well, expats who voted 'leave'. Hell, there was black people who voted for out-and-out white supremacist Donald Trump.
As you right wing types are fond of reminding us 'educated', doesn't equal 'common sense'.
I can only conclude that, like people who still defend Paul Lambert, that these people actively LIKE misery and/or have some kind of weird Stockholm syndrome going on. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 22:59]
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:26 - Nov 9 with 2139 views | footers |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:10 - Nov 9 by 26_Paz |
You have completely written somebody off because they vote Tory? I’m sorry but that is incredibly ignorant. |
No, you're incredibly ignorant and, funnily enough, the exact type of person to vote in good faith for Boris Johnson.
You have literally no clue, which is why almost everyone gives you pelters. All you do is recycle whatever it is you've read in the Sun that morning and post it on here, and then you wonder why people pull your up on your bullsh1t.
No offence, but you're the worst kind of voter. |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:29 - Nov 9 with 2121 views | Ryorry |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:10 - Nov 9 by 26_Paz |
You have completely written somebody off because they vote Tory? I’m sorry but that is incredibly ignorant. |
No I didn't write her off because she voted Tory. I happen to know her very well, and regarded her as less intelligent than I had previously only after she'd spouted a load of sh1te about politics that she'd never let on about before.
The only "incredibly ignorant" thing here is you making a jusgement without knowing one single thing about the circumstances. |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:37 - Nov 9 with 2116 views | Ryorry |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:01 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
I've one or two colleagues who've voted Tory. They are, to a woman(and I'm sorry, they're early all exclusively women) married to blokes on 6 figure sums who either do something in 'finance' or 'property'. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 22:55]
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I'm afraid the woman I'm referring to is in somewhat similar position, tho the partner's job & wealth aren't in the same category. Even sorrier to say I think she has eyes on private practice having been trained by the NHS. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:47 - Nov 9 with 2107 views | factual_blue |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 21:02 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
I did it for ten weeks earlier this year and it nearly broke me. And I'm an experienced(now former) ITU nurse. F*ck only knows how those guys keep going. |
Are you now policing the car park at [redacted] then, or moved to slightly less fraught nursing duties? |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 23:03 - Nov 9 with 2101 views | BlueBadger |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:47 - Nov 9 by factual_blue |
Are you now policing the car park at [redacted] then, or moved to slightly less fraught nursing duties? |
I'm in my regular job of critical care outreach, which loosely translates to 'do the admitting teams think they need ITU? Can you tell them they don't need ITU before we have to'.
Today was, without going into detail, because I have Some Thoughts to put down, pretty fraught. It's been pretty much like that since July. It's a different flavour of Fraught though. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 23:10]
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 23:06 - Nov 9 with 2096 views | SpruceMoose |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:10 - Nov 9 by 26_Paz |
You have completely written somebody off because they vote Tory? I’m sorry but that is incredibly ignorant. |
Don't get upset Tory boy. You're just not viewing the awful stuff you support in the right context. |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 23:25 - Nov 9 with 2080 views | TheBoyBlue |
Guy at work realises there is a virus but thinks that the reaction to it by governments is sinister. From his ramblings he seems to suggest that it is world leaders trying to supress the masses by seeing what they can make society do and how far they can take it. Although I haven't got to the bottom of how hundreds of governments around the world of different political leanings have come to all be complicit in this. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 23:29]
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 23:58 - Nov 9 with 2048 views | factual_blue |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 23:03 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
I'm in my regular job of critical care outreach, which loosely translates to 'do the admitting teams think they need ITU? Can you tell them they don't need ITU before we have to'.
Today was, without going into detail, because I have Some Thoughts to put down, pretty fraught. It's been pretty much like that since July. It's a different flavour of Fraught though. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 23:10]
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It must be fraught, particularly when combined with car parking duties.
Are you hoping tom rhyming slang falls ill? | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 23:59 - Nov 9 with 2047 views | factual_blue |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 23:25 - Nov 9 by TheBoyBlue |
Guy at work realises there is a virus but thinks that the reaction to it by governments is sinister. From his ramblings he seems to suggest that it is world leaders trying to supress the masses by seeing what they can make society do and how far they can take it. Although I haven't got to the bottom of how hundreds of governments around the world of different political leanings have come to all be complicit in this. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 23:29]
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The UN has been surprising quiet recently.
Just saying.... | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 00:00 - Nov 10 with 2045 views | factual_blue |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 21:13 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
I hope all of your desserts are Battenberg. |
That would constitute a cruel and unusual punishment.
Nobody deserves that. | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 07:12 - Nov 10 with 1994 views | solomon |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 18:39 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
Does anyone really believe that?
Crickey.
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My boss is one of them. Has been in a tail spin from day one, we’ve all managed to keep the business ticking over nicely whilst working remotely, it’s 100% understandable that the business (like many others) is under threat from this pandemic but a cool pragmatic calm head needs to be applied to get through this. It seems many would rather just claim it’s all a hoax just to hide their own fears. |  | | |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 07:17 - Nov 10 with 1998 views | 26_Paz |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:29 - Nov 9 by Ryorry |
No I didn't write her off because she voted Tory. I happen to know her very well, and regarded her as less intelligent than I had previously only after she'd spouted a load of sh1te about politics that she'd never let on about before.
The only "incredibly ignorant" thing here is you making a jusgement without knowing one single thing about the circumstances. |
Just imagine, for a second, if I had come on here and said I viewed a Labour supporting friend as ‘less intelligent’ because they voted Labour. I would, quite rightly, be torn apart. I wouldn’t say that because I don’t think like that.
If supporters of opposition parties generally believe that the 17 million people who voted Tory are somehow of lesser intelligence have you not considered that this kind of attitude makes it incredibly difficult to entice said 17 million people to vote for said opposition parties? | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 08:22 - Nov 10 with 1972 views | NewcyBlue |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 21:13 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
I hope all of your desserts are Battenberg. |
Why would you wish such greatness on him?! |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 08:28 - Nov 10 with 1969 views | itfcjoe |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 19:41 - Nov 9 by footers |
Yeah, agree and it's only from what I see from people I know on social media/via family or friends.
It's more that people I know in Suffolk and similar areas saying "Why should I abide by this or that when there are relatively few cases?" Which is completely understandable on a personal level. If you don't know anyone with it or who's had it, you're far less likely to believe it, innit.
But yeah, I was only generalising based on my personal experience. There are good and bad eggs all over. |
I do often hear round here something along the lines of "do you even know anyone who has had it?" so think there is an element of doubting the veracity of it because it just hasn't really struck round here at any point |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 08:36 - Nov 10 with 1962 views | itfcjoe |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 23:25 - Nov 9 by TheBoyBlue |
Guy at work realises there is a virus but thinks that the reaction to it by governments is sinister. From his ramblings he seems to suggest that it is world leaders trying to supress the masses by seeing what they can make society do and how far they can take it. Although I haven't got to the bottom of how hundreds of governments around the world of different political leanings have come to all be complicit in this. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 23:29]
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This is what I don't get, the ardent right wingers who are Brexiteers, your total free market libertarians who now think that the Govt aren't listening to the right advice - going on about things like Great Barrington Declaration, and using mental health which is not something they've ever spoken about before.
I'm no fan of Boris, or this incumbent Tory Govt, but anyone can see that the last thing they wanted was a lockdown (and is why we went too late into it initially, and again now). The fact that they are putting us in one shows how severe the issue is - it's not a Govt with much care for the people generally, doing this is truly their last resort but some seem to think they are desperate for all this intervention | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 08:51 - Nov 10 with 1937 views | hype313 |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 08:28 - Nov 10 by itfcjoe |
I do often hear round here something along the lines of "do you even know anyone who has had it?" so think there is an element of doubting the veracity of it because it just hasn't really struck round here at any point |
If we can get to the spring with consistent low numbers then us residents of Suffolk should count ourselves extremely lucky that it hasn't been overly prevalent here, whilst in the midst of the Lockdown we had excellent weather, lots of places to walk etc. |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 08:54 - Nov 10 with 1935 views | hype313 |
The worst ones are the nutjobs who believe it is some 'Great Reset' or microchipping, last time I checked even the smallest microchip would struggle to get through the eye of a needle, whilst worrying about big brother encroaching our lives is laughable given most who complain are doing so through the motion of Facebook....
Oh and Bill Gates...The guy that is 67, spent the past 20 years getting rid of all his money, yet he wants world domination  | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 09:22 - Nov 10 with 1913 views | ITFC_Forever |
All the ones I've seen downplaying the virus are those with the most to lose - those who are self-employed / run small businesses whose trade has been seriously affected by the closures etc. |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 10:07 - Nov 10 with 1886 views | BlueBadger |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 07:17 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Just imagine, for a second, if I had come on here and said I viewed a Labour supporting friend as ‘less intelligent’ because they voted Labour. I would, quite rightly, be torn apart. I wouldn’t say that because I don’t think like that.
If supporters of opposition parties generally believe that the 17 million people who voted Tory are somehow of lesser intelligence have you not considered that this kind of attitude makes it incredibly difficult to entice said 17 million people to vote for said opposition parties? |
Isn't making stuff up that hasn't happened to get upset about then getting upset about it traditionally the preserve of the 'PC left'? | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 10:08 - Nov 10 with 1884 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 22:10 - Nov 9 by 26_Paz |
You have completely written somebody off because they vote Tory? I’m sorry but that is incredibly ignorant. |
It's fair to question the intelligence of anyone who voted for Boris Johnson on the strength of him having "an oven ready" Brexit deal, but failed to ask the question "OK, what is it?"
The man is a spinner, an exaggerator, a waffler, a deceiver, and a liar. He only cares about himself.
The rest of us have to suffer the consequences of the votes of those who were either taken in by him, which demonstrates a very low level of emotional intelligence and critical thinking skills, or who knew he was lying but knew that they would benefit from the carnage to come, which makes them sociopaths.
Ryorry is being slightly more generous than that, in that she is specifically referencing the stupidity of someone who works in the NHS, and witnesses daily the combination of incompetent bungling, corrupt outsourcing and staffing shortages wilfully caused by Brexit, which is the particular hallmark of Johnson and the ERG Tories' contribution to our nation. A nurse or doctor voting for the Tories is an enabler of the suffering that they witness. | | | |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 10:09 - Nov 10 with 1881 views | Bluefish |
The bit that confuses me is Don Jr spouting cv19 theories despite his Dad apparently having it. Surely those things can't go together? |  |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 10:27 - Nov 10 with 1865 views | BlueBadger |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 07:17 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Just imagine, for a second, if I had come on here and said I viewed a Labour supporting friend as ‘less intelligent’ because they voted Labour. I would, quite rightly, be torn apart. I wouldn’t say that because I don’t think like that.
If supporters of opposition parties generally believe that the 17 million people who voted Tory are somehow of lesser intelligence have you not considered that this kind of attitude makes it incredibly difficult to entice said 17 million people to vote for said opposition parties? |
Serious answer, the answer is your old favourite : context.
NHS workers voting Tory look stupid because of the reasons I've highlighted earlier one. See also: teachers.
Someone on a six-figure salary from renting out property(say) - you might say they'd be voting against their interests by voting for a Labour party which wanted to impose minimum safety standards upon rental properties, additional protections for tenants, etc. Which would be stupid. Probably a half-decent human being for actually being interested in the welfare of the their tenants, but... | |
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| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 10:40 - Nov 10 with 1847 views | Ryorry |
| These people who don't believe there is a virus on 07:17 - Nov 10 by 26_Paz |
Just imagine, for a second, if I had come on here and said I viewed a Labour supporting friend as ‘less intelligent’ because they voted Labour. I would, quite rightly, be torn apart. I wouldn’t say that because I don’t think like that.
If supporters of opposition parties generally believe that the 17 million people who voted Tory are somehow of lesser intelligence have you not considered that this kind of attitude makes it incredibly difficult to entice said 17 million people to vote for said opposition parties? |
Well, no need to label you either a troll or stupid, or both - you hang one of those labels round your own neck.
As usual, you've chosen to ignore the context (which tbf I was sparse with in my first post, but spelled out more of in my follow-up post to you, so you have no excuse for disregarding it).
By definition, someone working in the NHS (the context of my posts) who voted Labour would be voting for a party entirely consistent with the values, aims and ideals of their chosen profession - putting care for all above private profit - which would make them intelligent in that particular context.
Somebody working in the NHS who voted Tory, on the other hand, has been voting for a party whose politics of austerity, cost-cutting, creeping privatisation and stinginess in paying NHS (and other key public services) is at odds with the values, aims and ideals of their chosen profession, puts themselves and their colleagues at risk, does not pay them in a way that is commensurate with their value to society, and even risks their job security (creeping privatisation). That makes it reasonable to regard them as less intelligent than I had done before being made aware of how they voted.
When I mentioned the friend in question possibly having an eye on going into private practice, I'd subtract something from the "less respect for her intelligence quotient" column and transfer it to the "less respect for her decency quotient" column.
Nor have I even now "completely written them off" as you snap-judged in your first post to me. We still meet and chat, I see other things in her than her politics. | |
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