| Be more positive 10:15 - Nov 22 with 4319 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
That’s my message. We are 3rd after 12 games. Unless I’m looking at the table upside down, I don’t see what Lambert could improve or change right now that suddenly takes us where after 12 games... 3rd?
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| Be more positive on 10:39 - Nov 22 with 1264 views | Keno |
| Be more positive on 10:19 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
Despite the old adage the table does lie and telling a whopping porkie at the moment.
We don't deserve to be third, we are lucky to be 3rd. If we hadn't scored yesterday in the 96th minute we would be 8th or something - what would you be posting then?
The issue is that we are getting some results but if it's not deserved or convincing then sooner or later we will stop getting those results.
If you can't see that or what PL needs to change then I expect to see you on here in 6 months complaining when we are 12th.
Yesterday was utterly dire.
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"Yesterday"
dont you mean most of the last two years? |  |
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| Be more positive on 10:39 - Nov 22 with 1264 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Be more positive on 10:32 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
Posts and opinions should be based on facts, hence the tone of my post.
You've not addressed any of the points - if you can address them with salient points then perhaps people might feel more positive
Do you honestly think yesterday was a good performance? Did we deserve to win?
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My opinion is based on what I think, as is yours, as is other people’s. I’m not saying I’m right, I’m not saying you’re right or wrong either.
I can’t change the culture of this club, but there’s definitely more negativity than positivity with our fan base and that’s where I’d start.
I didn’t think it was a good performance, but at the end of the day, we got 3 points. On to Hull which will prove very difficult but let’s see what happens. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:41 - Nov 22 with 1261 views | Keno |
| Be more positive on 10:21 - Nov 22 by keighleyblue |
Fortune teller are you???? The backwards facing negativity on this board is incredible.
No I am not blinkered and Yes we were laboured yesterday. But we are third on goal difference, I'd take that - unless you feel we should be top P12 W12? |
Fortune telling or just resigned realism?
If you are driving at 50 mph towards a large hole in the road do you drive straight into it or do you take action to avoid it? | |
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| Be more positive on 10:42 - Nov 22 with 1253 views | Herbivore |
| Be more positive on 10:39 - Nov 22 by patrickswell |
Peterborough are second and have lost their last two games to “inferior” sides that we beat. Are they in a false position as well?
We played poorly, I agree, but, as a fan base, we need to to drop this snobbishness about winning football matches. It has played a large part in leading us to where we currently find ourselves as a football club. |
The problem is that winning whilst playing poorly isn't sustainable as we saw last season. In the last 6 or 7 games we've managed half an hour of playing pretty well at Sunderland but we've otherwise been garbage. What are Lambert and his coaches doing in the week? We're playing a consistent formation but there is no sense at all that we're getting better at playing it or developing effective patterns of play. That's the worry. |  |
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| Be more positive on 10:43 - Nov 22 with 1244 views | noggin |
| Be more positive on 10:39 - Nov 22 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
My opinion is based on what I think, as is yours, as is other people’s. I’m not saying I’m right, I’m not saying you’re right or wrong either.
I can’t change the culture of this club, but there’s definitely more negativity than positivity with our fan base and that’s where I’d start.
I didn’t think it was a good performance, but at the end of the day, we got 3 points. On to Hull which will prove very difficult but let’s see what happens. |
Why do you think there is so much negativity amongst the fanbase? |  |
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| Be more positive on 10:43 - Nov 22 with 1247 views | SomethingBlue |
| Be more positive on 10:39 - Nov 22 by patrickswell |
Peterborough are second and have lost their last two games to “inferior” sides that we beat. Are they in a false position as well?
We played poorly, I agree, but, as a fan base, we need to to drop this snobbishness about winning football matches. It has played a large part in leading us to where we currently find ourselves as a football club. |
This is a fair point. If we don't "deserve" to be third, who does? It's a deeply inconsistent division and I struggle to see who stands out. I've not liked recent performances either but we tend to turn the self-hatred right up to 11 on this board.
And for the avoidance of doubt (+ to show nuance is possible), if I was Evans I'd be on the phone to Danny Cowley at this point. |  |
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| Be more positive on 10:44 - Nov 22 with 1239 views | BlueBadger |
| Be more positive on 10:39 - Nov 22 by patrickswell |
Peterborough are second and have lost their last two games to “inferior” sides that we beat. Are they in a false position as well?
We played poorly, I agree, but, as a fan base, we need to to drop this snobbishness about winning football matches. It has played a large part in leading us to where we currently find ourselves as a football club. |
The trouble is, yesterday, like Crewe, like MK Dons(to name just two matches we got utterly underserved points from) was a total robbery. We won't get promoted riding out luck. We won't stay up riding our luck. This season is heading the exact same way as last season. Hell, we're not even in as good a position this season as we were last season.
I'm all for winning matches, but we need to stop getting excited about castles built on sand because the welcome mat outside says how nice the castle's interior is. |  |
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| Be more positive on 10:44 - Nov 22 with 1230 views | Herbivore |
| Be more positive on 10:39 - Nov 22 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
My opinion is based on what I think, as is yours, as is other people’s. I’m not saying I’m right, I’m not saying you’re right or wrong either.
I can’t change the culture of this club, but there’s definitely more negativity than positivity with our fan base and that’s where I’d start.
I didn’t think it was a good performance, but at the end of the day, we got 3 points. On to Hull which will prove very difficult but let’s see what happens. |
Why would there be positivity around the place when we've stuck with a manager that has led us to relegation and 11th place in League 1 and this season is showing signs of going the same way as the last? Look at the performances, they aren't good enough and if anything they are getting worse. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:44 - Nov 22 with 1221 views | patrickswell |
| Be more positive on 10:38 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
Top, especially when you look at our comparatively kind fixtures thus far. |
And we would be had the officials not chopped us off at the knees against Lincoln and Sunderland. |  | | |
| Be more positive on 10:45 - Nov 22 with 1221 views | BlueBadger |
| Be more positive on 10:43 - Nov 22 by SomethingBlue |
This is a fair point. If we don't "deserve" to be third, who does? It's a deeply inconsistent division and I struggle to see who stands out. I've not liked recent performances either but we tend to turn the self-hatred right up to 11 on this board.
And for the avoidance of doubt (+ to show nuance is possible), if I was Evans I'd be on the phone to Danny Cowley at this point. |
Christ, I think I'd almost want 12-passes-and-hoofer Lambert to stay over hoofer Cowley. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:45 - Nov 22 with 1218 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Be more positive on 10:19 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
Despite the old adage the table does lie and telling a whopping porkie at the moment.
We don't deserve to be third, we are lucky to be 3rd. If we hadn't scored yesterday in the 96th minute we would be 8th or something - what would you be posting then?
The issue is that we are getting some results but if it's not deserved or convincing then sooner or later we will stop getting those results.
If you can't see that or what PL needs to change then I expect to see you on here in 6 months complaining when we are 12th.
Yesterday was utterly dire.
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What ifs are pointless. What if we had had a decent ref against Sunderland? You could go back over every game and re-write history. Yes we got lucky yesterday but luck has been against us at other times and we are getting no luck on the injury front. If we stay in touch by hook or by crook and we start to get the likes of Downes, Edwards, Dozzell, KFY back and Jackson and Norwood match fit, we can have a good season | |
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| Be more positive on 10:46 - Nov 22 with 1214 views | Herbivore |
| Be more positive on 10:44 - Nov 22 by patrickswell |
And we would be had the officials not chopped us off at the knees against Lincoln and Sunderland. |
By the same token the officials could easily have given Shrewsbury another penalty or two yesterday and we'd have lost. We had plenty of luck in getting 3 points yesterday, enough that we can stop claiming poor fortune at dropping 2 points in those games. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:48 - Nov 22 with 1206 views | BlueBadger |
| Be more positive on 10:44 - Nov 22 by patrickswell |
And we would be had the officials not chopped us off at the knees against Lincoln and Sunderland. |
For every game like that though, there's one like yesterday and Crewe where we deserve nothing.
Blaming the officials is yet another way of ignoring what's going on with US, we have a deeply dysfunctional style of play that's only 'working' because most of the sides we've played have been so dreadful and a lot of us fear, with some justification, that the wheels are about to come off.
Again. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:48 - Nov 22 with 1206 views | StokieBlue |
| Be more positive on 10:39 - Nov 22 by patrickswell |
Peterborough are second and have lost their last two games to “inferior” sides that we beat. Are they in a false position as well?
We played poorly, I agree, but, as a fan base, we need to to drop this snobbishness about winning football matches. It has played a large part in leading us to where we currently find ourselves as a football club. |
I've not seen Peterborough play, I don't know if they are in a false position or not. You've based your entire post on results when people are pointing out that results can be false and hide a longer-term trend of poor performances which will bite that team at some point.
If you want to base your opinion on results (which isn't the full picture) then recent they have smashed Shrewsbury at home and beaten Hull away.
It's not snobbishness, it's realism. We didn't deserve to win and all this "we are 3rd, all is well" is just heads in the sand stuff. We just don't look like dominating games against anyone and it order to win a league or get out of a division that is what we need to do.
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| Be more positive on 10:49 - Nov 22 with 1184 views | SomethingBlue |
| Be more positive on 10:45 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
Christ, I think I'd almost want 12-passes-and-hoofer Lambert to stay over hoofer Cowley. |
You mistake "getting the very best out of what he had at Lincoln" with "lumping it long everywhere he goes". | |
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| Be more positive on 10:51 - Nov 22 with 1176 views | BlueBadger |
I am positive that we're going nowhere under Paul Lambert, if that helps. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:53 - Nov 22 with 1162 views | N2_Blue |
| Be more positive on 10:43 - Nov 22 by SomethingBlue |
This is a fair point. If we don't "deserve" to be third, who does? It's a deeply inconsistent division and I struggle to see who stands out. I've not liked recent performances either but we tend to turn the self-hatred right up to 11 on this board.
And for the avoidance of doubt (+ to show nuance is possible), if I was Evans I'd be on the phone to Danny Cowley at this point. |
Danny Cowley? Why
I really don't get the appeal at all. Managers with a good record at one club is not a good indicator. Hurst, Keane, Jewell and Lambert have all had successes at one club.
He struggled at Huddersfield and i just don't like his style and don't think he is the right man at all.
Now Paul Cook....he looks ideal to me. |  |
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| Be more positive on 10:53 - Nov 22 with 1161 views | portmanroadblue |
| Be more positive on 10:19 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
Despite the old adage the table does lie and telling a whopping porkie at the moment.
We don't deserve to be third, we are lucky to be 3rd. If we hadn't scored yesterday in the 96th minute we would be 8th or something - what would you be posting then?
The issue is that we are getting some results but if it's not deserved or convincing then sooner or later we will stop getting those results.
If you can't see that or what PL needs to change then I expect to see you on here in 6 months complaining when we are 12th.
Yesterday was utterly dire.
SB |
I understand what your saying and truthfully agree, but had poor refereeing desicision gone our way, we would have had a couple if not six more points at least and I dont believe we are playing as bad as last season. We have been hit by horrendous injuries from day one resulting in players being asked to play out of position, which can only upset the way we want to play and last season we would have probably lost yesterday, against crewe and Accrington. I think what the OP is trying to say is lets look at the positives rather than the negatives, we all know its not great football, but with a threadbare team, a lot of our academy coming through, poor refs decisions, injuries and having a inept manager, we arent actually doing to bad :-) |  | | |
| Be more positive on 10:54 - Nov 22 with 1159 views | SomethingBlue |
| Be more positive on 10:48 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
I've not seen Peterborough play, I don't know if they are in a false position or not. You've based your entire post on results when people are pointing out that results can be false and hide a longer-term trend of poor performances which will bite that team at some point.
If you want to base your opinion on results (which isn't the full picture) then recent they have smashed Shrewsbury at home and beaten Hull away.
It's not snobbishness, it's realism. We didn't deserve to win and all this "we are 3rd, all is well" is just heads in the sand stuff. We just don't look like dominating games against anyone and it order to win a league or get out of a division that is what we need to do.
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The idea that there's a significant amount of "we are third, all is well" stuff is serious straw man territory though. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:55 - Nov 22 with 1151 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Be more positive on 10:43 - Nov 22 by noggin |
Why do you think there is so much negativity amongst the fanbase? |
I’ve got no idea, but it was here before Lambert arrived. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:55 - Nov 22 with 1146 views | BlueBadger |
| Be more positive on 10:53 - Nov 22 by portmanroadblue |
I understand what your saying and truthfully agree, but had poor refereeing desicision gone our way, we would have had a couple if not six more points at least and I dont believe we are playing as bad as last season. We have been hit by horrendous injuries from day one resulting in players being asked to play out of position, which can only upset the way we want to play and last season we would have probably lost yesterday, against crewe and Accrington. I think what the OP is trying to say is lets look at the positives rather than the negatives, we all know its not great football, but with a threadbare team, a lot of our academy coming through, poor refs decisions, injuries and having a inept manager, we arent actually doing to bad :-) |
Those decisions which 'cost us' have been more than balanced out by the wins against Crewe and Shrewsbury and other lucky points we've picked up this season.
By and large, games we've won undeservedly have far outnumbered ones we've deserved very little from. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:56 - Nov 22 with 1141 views | patrickswell |
| Be more positive on 10:44 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
The trouble is, yesterday, like Crewe, like MK Dons(to name just two matches we got utterly underserved points from) was a total robbery. We won't get promoted riding out luck. We won't stay up riding our luck. This season is heading the exact same way as last season. Hell, we're not even in as good a position this season as we were last season.
I'm all for winning matches, but we need to stop getting excited about castles built on sand because the welcome mat outside says how nice the castle's interior is. |
There was no luck in any of those matches. We gutted it out, stayed strong and took chances. We didn’t get a leg up from the referee - although Sam Ricketts felt they should have had three penalties, which is one more than we should have had.
We also need to stop harping back to last season. I think they are trying to build solid foundations, but it would help if we weren’t losing player after player to injuries, COVID isolation, suspension etc. | | | |
| Be more positive on 10:56 - Nov 22 with 1142 views | BlueBadger |
| Be more positive on 10:55 - Nov 22 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
I’ve got no idea, but it was here before Lambert arrived. |
It was because we were playing moribund football and stagnating in the Championship. Now, we're playing moribund football and languishing in the third division. | |
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| Be more positive on 10:59 - Nov 22 with 1130 views | patrickswell |
| Be more positive on 10:45 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
Christ, I think I'd almost want 12-passes-and-hoofer Lambert to stay over hoofer Cowley. |
Which comes back to the self-defeating nature of pursuing ITFC related “purity” while sitting where we are currently. | | | |
| Be more positive on 11:01 - Nov 22 with 1117 views | Keno |
| Be more positive on 10:55 - Nov 22 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
I’ve got no idea, but it was here before Lambert arrived. |
but before Lambert arrived we were playing crap football in a higher division
now we are playing crap football in the third tier of English football
and some want us to rejoice and be happy
what a time to be a Town fan | |
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