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XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:25 - Nov 23 by giant_stow
A quick google tells me that credit unions and new eco-centered banks are not failing, but growing.
When you and other XR-ers have stopped paying your loans and mortgages, lets go back and compare what that achieved, as I’m all for connecting. those. dots.
Guess what?
It’s not going to take down HSBC, Barclays or Natwest.
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:22 - Nov 23 by giant_stow
Who said that out of interest?
Given you won't be stopping your mortgage, I think we're actually agreeing mr angry!
Or if we're not agreeing, tell me where?
What do you mean 'who has said that?'? Have you not been aware of the general discourse over the last decade? Everything is the fault of those on the left.
Fwiw I don't have a mortgage to stop. I pay an exorbitant rent to live in a decent apartment with a garden in a not glamorous largely immigrant area of Brooklyn a 45 minute commute from work. Like most people here.
We disagree because your first response to this appears to be instant negativity and to attack the people who are suggesting it. My response is that it's probably not feasible but it's important to have these discussions because what may come out of them could be workable and reasonable. My first response isn't to critisise the people trying to preserve some kind of planet for your kids.
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XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:16 - Nov 23 by giant_stow
We were talking about banks though, so that's why I replied with that in mind.
For what it's worth, I agree that tinkering around the edges won't be enough - I'm only disagreeing on what that action might be! In this case and imho, this action will only harm individuals and the cause, but maybe by saying that I fail the purity test.
I'm all for people making the necessary lifestyle changes — sticking it banks though is a red herring.
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Fossil fuel companies have billions of pounds worth of plant and machinery, banks give them funding to increase the stock of plant and machinery which creates an inertia in the system - we need useful energy to power our civilisation. That plant and machinery will have an operational life which, if bought today, will mean we are adding to our stock of CO2 in the atmosphere for decades to come. I'm afraid shorter showers and buying a hybrid are not going to flatten the Keeling Curve.
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XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:31 - Nov 23 by CoachRob
Fossil fuel companies have billions of pounds worth of plant and machinery, banks give them funding to increase the stock of plant and machinery which creates an inertia in the system - we need useful energy to power our civilisation. That plant and machinery will have an operational life which, if bought today, will mean we are adding to our stock of CO2 in the atmosphere for decades to come. I'm afraid shorter showers and buying a hybrid are not going to flatten the Keeling Curve.
I don’t remember ever seeing you post but I like you.
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:04 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE
He's not going to stop paying his mortgage. Pretended he would consider it to avoid being called a hypocrite but there is zero chance. He's not an idiot.
No, I think that’s the point of the threat. Not having to follow through on it if there’s a response and some commitment to addressing the changes needed.
But ask me again in a week or two if the response to this from the banks/financial institutions is non-existent or insultingly weak.
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XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:38 - Nov 23 by Darth_Koont
No, I think that’s the point of the threat. Not having to follow through on it if there’s a response and some commitment to addressing the changes needed.
But ask me again in a week or two if the response to this from the banks/financial institutions is non-existent or insultingly weak.
I think their response will be to laugh and threaten repossession.
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:30 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose
What do you mean 'who has said that?'? Have you not been aware of the general discourse over the last decade? Everything is the fault of those on the left.
Fwiw I don't have a mortgage to stop. I pay an exorbitant rent to live in a decent apartment with a garden in a not glamorous largely immigrant area of Brooklyn a 45 minute commute from work. Like most people here.
We disagree because your first response to this appears to be instant negativity and to attack the people who are suggesting it. My response is that it's probably not feasible but it's important to have these discussions because what may come out of them could be workable and reasonable. My first response isn't to critisise the people trying to preserve some kind of planet for your kids.
Spruce, it's an inane suggestion, reminiscent of the time that some kids in my 6th form went on 'strike' because my school wouldn't let us smoke weed for 'medicinal purposes'.
Did my school take my peers concerns on board, and have a full debate about the points being raised, with a view to potentially allowing us all to get high on their time?
Or did the school simply suspend my peers, and wrote to their parents, before seeing said peers return 2 days later, with the matter never discussed again thereafter?
The banks won't want a frank discussion on whether you pay your mortgage or not. It is, literally, this simple:-
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XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:44 - Nov 23 with 994 views
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:30 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose
What do you mean 'who has said that?'? Have you not been aware of the general discourse over the last decade? Everything is the fault of those on the left.
Fwiw I don't have a mortgage to stop. I pay an exorbitant rent to live in a decent apartment with a garden in a not glamorous largely immigrant area of Brooklyn a 45 minute commute from work. Like most people here.
We disagree because your first response to this appears to be instant negativity and to attack the people who are suggesting it. My response is that it's probably not feasible but it's important to have these discussions because what may come out of them could be workable and reasonable. My first response isn't to critisise the people trying to preserve some kind of planet for your kids.
I have a very different reading of the general discourse over the last decade. For example, although it's a different time frame, I think the right is in the firing line right now, correctly, for all the damage its done.
So I’m in your dog house for not being in favour of a bad idea, which you are also not in favour of ? (you could not pay your rent, that might give your land lord cash flow problems, which might hurt their bank)
Do you really believe there’s no such thing as a bad plan in aid of a good cause?
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:31 - Nov 23 by CoachRob
Fossil fuel companies have billions of pounds worth of plant and machinery, banks give them funding to increase the stock of plant and machinery which creates an inertia in the system - we need useful energy to power our civilisation. That plant and machinery will have an operational life which, if bought today, will mean we are adding to our stock of CO2 in the atmosphere for decades to come. I'm afraid shorter showers and buying a hybrid are not going to flatten the Keeling Curve.
And what happenned the last time banks ran out of money?
And who paid for it?
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:42 - Nov 23 by Funge
Spruce, it's an inane suggestion, reminiscent of the time that some kids in my 6th form went on 'strike' because my school wouldn't let us smoke weed for 'medicinal purposes'.
Did my school take my peers concerns on board, and have a full debate about the points being raised, with a view to potentially allowing us all to get high on their time?
Or did the school simply suspend my peers, and wrote to their parents, before seeing said peers return 2 days later, with the matter never discussed again thereafter?
The banks won't want a frank discussion on whether you pay your mortgage or not. It is, literally, this simple:-
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Hypothetically, tomorrow we all go on mortgage strike. What do you think would happen?
And that’s the message. We have power in our wallets, use it in numbers and we can save our planet.
Bobby Sands dying changed the course of the Northern Ireland conflict, they didn’t all end up going on hunger strike.
Sometimes it’s the idea and a handful of people who change the course os history. Sometimes it’s an entire revolutuon. But if we do neither and carry on as we are nothing will change, and we will be, undoubtedly and factually, f*cked.
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:15 - Nov 23 by Funge
'And forget about the tone-policing and management of the optics you think this is all about.'
Sorry, I dont know what this means.
I completely disagree with your first paragraph (for a change).
Good luck with not paying the mortgage, too. Really.
Sorry, I was having two prettty similar Rashford conversations and thought that I was talking to Tractordownsouth here. The “optics management” seems to be his politico thing and that definitely wasn’t meant to be aimed at you.
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XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:50 - Nov 23 with 970 views
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:45 - Nov 23 by monytowbray
Hypothetically, tomorrow we all go on mortgage strike. What do you think would happen?
And that’s the message. We have power in our wallets, use it in numbers and we can save our planet.
Bobby Sands dying changed the course of the Northern Ireland conflict, they didn’t all end up going on hunger strike.
Sometimes it’s the idea and a handful of people who change the course os history. Sometimes it’s an entire revolutuon. But if we do neither and carry on as we are nothing will change, and we will be, undoubtedly and factually, f*cked.
What is the precise aim of the mortgage strike?
I don't think you answered my question from earlier, apologies if you did, but will you be taking out a loan and maxing a few credit cards? An overdraft seems a bit meaningless when people are being asked to stop paying their mortgage.
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:50 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE
What is the precise aim of the mortgage strike?
I don't think you answered my question from earlier, apologies if you did, but will you be taking out a loan and maxing a few credit cards? An overdraft seems a bit meaningless when people are being asked to stop paying their mortgage.
Already planning on it.
Surely you know better than to ask me if I’m going fight corporations on an individual level?!
People have been asked to commit to a Money Rebellion. Some people get stuck on one small part as it’s a good means to attack/ignore it.
See also; veganism.
If we have the bank’s money and don’t pay it back, it’s stopping them spending it elsewhere and is a rebellion to say we are taking from you as you won’t tow the line on core issues.
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:44 - Nov 23 by giant_stow
I have a very different reading of the general discourse over the last decade. For example, although it's a different time frame, I think the right is in the firing line right now, correctly, for all the damage its done.
So I’m in your dog house for not being in favour of a bad idea, which you are also not in favour of ? (you could not pay your rent, that might give your land lord cash flow problems, which might hurt their bank)
Do you really believe there’s no such thing as a bad plan in aid of a good cause?
I don't know why you keep trying to bring this debate down to a personal level with your jibes about me being Mr Angry and now claiming I'm putting you in the dog house. Seems a bit uncalled for.
I already answered your question in a previous post. These things are designed to move the needle forward, to have an impact without actually doing it.
Every time XR is brought up on here we have all the same people bringing their negativity and can't do attitude to the table. It's boring. The situation is dire. The longer we leave it the more the solutions we require are going to become extreme. This isn't just going to go away. Who is paying their mortgage when their house is under water? See the bigger picture. These debates are important, shutting them down is not a good move.
And yes, you do have a very different reading to the general discourse than me. Absurdly so in fact.
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XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:52 - Nov 23 by monytowbray
Already planning on it.
Surely you know better than to ask me if I’m going fight corporations on an individual level?!
People have been asked to commit to a Money Rebellion. Some people get stuck on one small part as it’s a good means to attack/ignore it.
See also; veganism.
If we have the bank’s money and don’t pay it back, it’s stopping them spending it elsewhere and is a rebellion to say we are taking from you as you won’t tow the line on core issues.
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Are you fully aware of the consequences? Do they do a credit check when renting a property?
Your edit seems a bit vague. In one sentence or short paragraph what exactly are we trying to achieve here? What are they doing now and what do you want them to do?
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:56 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE
Are you fully aware of the consequences? Do they do a credit check when renting a property?
Your edit seems a bit vague. In one sentence or short paragraph what exactly are we trying to achieve here? What are they doing now and what do you want them to do?
Yes I am. I don’t care. As I don’t really see my point on this planet as looking after number one. I’ve always been happy to risk things for my beliefs.
There is a list of demands on XR’s website. You can read what XR hopes to achieve there.
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:55 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose
I don't know why you keep trying to bring this debate down to a personal level with your jibes about me being Mr Angry and now claiming I'm putting you in the dog house. Seems a bit uncalled for.
I already answered your question in a previous post. These things are designed to move the needle forward, to have an impact without actually doing it.
Every time XR is brought up on here we have all the same people bringing their negativity and can't do attitude to the table. It's boring. The situation is dire. The longer we leave it the more the solutions we require are going to become extreme. This isn't just going to go away. Who is paying their mortgage when their house is under water? See the bigger picture. These debates are important, shutting them down is not a good move.
And yes, you do have a very different reading to the general discourse than me. Absurdly so in fact.
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:45 - Nov 23 by giant_stow
And what happenned the last time banks ran out of money?
And who paid for it?
The Bank of England (BoE) created the money to bail them out and allow them to recapitalise. The entire banking industry could have been taken public and use for productive investment instead it is still used predominately to fuel asset-price inflation.
Nobody paid for the money, it was created by the BoE as the current Covid-19 crisis is being funded by the BoE. The BoE is owned the UK Government. The whole austerity nonsense is peddled by cranks like Paul Johnson pushing a completely false narratives about how the bond market works - he stated at the weekend there will have to be quantitative tightening but gave no reason as to why.
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XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 17:05 - Nov 23 with 931 views
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:58 - Nov 23 by monytowbray
Yes I am. I don’t care. As I don’t really see my point on this planet as looking after number one. I’ve always been happy to risk things for my beliefs.
There is a list of demands on XR’s website. You can read what XR hopes to achieve there.
I admire your altruism. No caveats, man.
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XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 17:06 - Nov 23 with 923 views
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:55 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose
I don't know why you keep trying to bring this debate down to a personal level with your jibes about me being Mr Angry and now claiming I'm putting you in the dog house. Seems a bit uncalled for.
I already answered your question in a previous post. These things are designed to move the needle forward, to have an impact without actually doing it.
Every time XR is brought up on here we have all the same people bringing their negativity and can't do attitude to the table. It's boring. The situation is dire. The longer we leave it the more the solutions we require are going to become extreme. This isn't just going to go away. Who is paying their mortgage when their house is under water? See the bigger picture. These debates are important, shutting them down is not a good move.
And yes, you do have a very different reading to the general discourse than me. Absurdly so in fact.
If I've replied in a personal tone, it was in response to this:
"So don't get hump about the fact that some of us don't think that tinkering around the edges and being sensitive to the feelings of the middle class is ever going to achieve anything"
and particularly this:
"My first response isn't to critisise the people trying to preserve some kind of planet for your kids. "
This may surprise you, but I'm well aware of my responsibility to my child thanks and don't need you to remind me of that.
Fair enough though - we do disagree afterall but only on how to get to the end goal.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:41 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE
I think their response will be to laugh and threaten repossession.
Good luck though.
Bit bigger than that. This is a branding issue for banks and a learning issue for consumers and the public.
We hardly ever discuss how the UK economy has profited from funding climate change around the world. Or that some banks and funds are much, much worse than others. This could be a chance for greener institutions to make their case to consumers and corporate customers who in their turn have a brand and sustainability commitments to take care of.
Pushing the debate up to that level and putting more consumer/client/shareholder/employee pressure on them will do a lot more than pushing private individuals to reduce their own carbon footprint by 5% here and 10% there however much that’s a good thing to do anyway.
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