| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide 11:16 - Nov 23 with 12505 views | monytowbray |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:00 - Nov 23 with 1076 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:58 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
In the financial sense, thats exactly what they're asking of people here. And some will be stupid enough to do it - disgraceful. |
I have free will, you have free will, the risks are clear. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:04 - Nov 23 with 1068 views | monytowbray |
All protests have to notify the authorities ahead of time. It was planned weeks in advance, as mentioned in the article, alongside the fact blue lights are always let through and alternative routes are planned for emergency services with all road closures.
What it is is lazy FB comment from the ill informed making the local news to feed a misinformation cycle that favours those profiting from earth’s destruction.
You’re a smart and informed poster from what I’ve seen TDS, and I’m surprised to see you suckered in by such an angle.
As for the other links, you get a minority of people who don’t follow best practice in all groups of life. It’s not a centralised organisation with a hierarchy in a traditional sense, anyone can join and arguably do what they want even if advised not to. Some follow the codes of conduct and some don’t. If some ITFC supporters get into a scrap at a game or smash up a ground that’s not representative of you, is it? If a BLM protester decides to smash a building up do you decide civil rights movements are bad?
Plus, as mentioned, the press lie. I could likely ask some more informed and active XR members their version of those links and get a very different story with added context. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:11]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:05 - Nov 23 with 1067 views | bluelagos |
Your take on XR is that they promote violence?
Am guessing you haven't actually read their very clear comments about their demos being peaceful protest. Direct action and violent actions are not the same thing. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:09 - Nov 23 with 1053 views | Funge |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:40 - Nov 23 by Darth_Koont |
I said I might do it. Because I don’t thing defaulting on my mortgage is the goal rather than forcing discussion of the issue which can be achieved this week by highlighting the threat.
And a particularly pertinent campaign in the UK where I believe our multinationals and financial institutions are directly and indirectly responsible for 14% of the planet’s emissions. |
You won't default on your mortgate, obviously. Nor will anyone else. It's a *ludicrous* idea; actual, palpable nonsense. Imagine putting your family on the streets off the back of this, or even considering it.
This is precisely the sort of idealistic rubbish that the media will seize on, to polarise the debate against XR.
We've seen recently how easily this government will fold in the face of any public pressure - Marcus Rashford has demonstrated that. The climate change debate can be framed in a different way to garner support. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:10]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:10 - Nov 23 with 1050 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:00 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
I have free will, you have free will, the risks are clear. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. |
No one forced those anti-lockdown demonstrators to take to the streets, but I wonder how many got ill as a result?
Always the little people who get it in the neck, be it protests or war - not the organisers. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:12 - Nov 23 with 1038 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:10 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
No one forced those anti-lockdown demonstrators to take to the streets, but I wonder how many got ill as a result?
Always the little people who get it in the neck, be it protests or war - not the organisers. |
They choose to take that risk after weighing up the pros and cons though.
Not really sure what your angle is to be honest. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:17 - Nov 23 with 1027 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:12 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
They choose to take that risk after weighing up the pros and cons though.
Not really sure what your angle is to be honest. |
My angle is that this is a dangerous and counter-productive campaign which will hurt its supporters and achieve nothing but ill will. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:19 - Nov 23 with 1021 views | woiii |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:05 - Nov 23 by bluelagos |
Would imagine that the issue of moving consumer goods, especially cr*p we don't ultimately need, is very much on their agenda.
XR are a very lose grouping of lots of groups so they will always have some less acceptable ideas coming forward. There is little central control - that is not how they are structured. |
Some sort of green licence from the EU for companies outside the EU would be what I'd like to see.... and the UK to remain in the EU of course |  | | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:19 - Nov 23 with 1021 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:17 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
My angle is that this is a dangerous and counter-productive campaign which will hurt its supporters and achieve nothing but ill will. |
And what’s the alternative? | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:21 - Nov 23 with 1017 views | tractordownsouth |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:04 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
All protests have to notify the authorities ahead of time. It was planned weeks in advance, as mentioned in the article, alongside the fact blue lights are always let through and alternative routes are planned for emergency services with all road closures.
What it is is lazy FB comment from the ill informed making the local news to feed a misinformation cycle that favours those profiting from earth’s destruction.
You’re a smart and informed poster from what I’ve seen TDS, and I’m surprised to see you suckered in by such an angle.
As for the other links, you get a minority of people who don’t follow best practice in all groups of life. It’s not a centralised organisation with a hierarchy in a traditional sense, anyone can join and arguably do what they want even if advised not to. Some follow the codes of conduct and some don’t. If some ITFC supporters get into a scrap at a game or smash up a ground that’s not representative of you, is it? If a BLM protester decides to smash a building up do you decide civil rights movements are bad?
Plus, as mentioned, the press lie. I could likely ask some more informed and active XR members their version of those links and get a very different story with added context. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:11]
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Fair enough on what you say about representation. It's true that a few people aren't typical of an entire group and that most activists are peaceful, but the train protest was organised by senior figures within the XR movement, which does bring into question its' legitimacy.
As with your BLM point, again that's why it's important to separate groups from the causes they're fighting for, something which isn't done enough. I'm concerned because whenever someone from XR and BLM causes harm, they're also harming progress environmentalism and racial equality in the process, because it gives sh1theads like Trump and Farage the ability to conflate the two. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:28 - Nov 23 with 1010 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:19 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
And what’s the alternative? |
As mentionned, a campaign to get people to avoid banks who have dirty hands. Or anything that doesn't involve joe public putting their family's shelter on the line. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:34 - Nov 23 with 1002 views | Darth_Koont |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:50 - Nov 23 by tractordownsouth |
So blocking someone's road to A and E is a good idea?
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/17/thousands-condemn-extinction-rebellion-road-block
Nothing wrong with going on marches to protest, but how does blocking ambulances and jumping on trains (when public transport is good for the environment) benefit the cause?
Marcus Rashford is a good example of a soft activist. He managed to get the government to u-turn and bring people over to his cause, because he showed empathy and concern for others without causing any violence. |
Think you’re being a trifle reactionary there. The ambulance incident is a red herring non-story if you look past the headlines.
Rashford is a good example but he’s a high-profile footballer already who started out with a worthy but fairly limited and manageable ambition to change anything. He’s done a great job and it will be interesting if he can bring that to bear on the bigger issue of over 4 million kids living in poverty that society largely ignores. I suspect he’ll run up against the same deeper problems the environmentalists have done for the past few decades..
That underlying systemic issue with climate change isn’t responding to Rashfordesque measures like reducing plastic bag usage or people going organic and local. But you want that to be the overall strategy? Even after all these years?
Just like the civil rights movement in the US it needed both MLK and rioting to achieve change. And it wasn’t even the assassination of MLK that pushed Lyndon Johnson and the Capitol to deliver the Civil Rights Act of 1968 so much as the rioting and civil unrest afterwards. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:43 - Nov 23 with 987 views | Darth_Koont |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:09 - Nov 23 by Funge |
You won't default on your mortgate, obviously. Nor will anyone else. It's a *ludicrous* idea; actual, palpable nonsense. Imagine putting your family on the streets off the back of this, or even considering it.
This is precisely the sort of idealistic rubbish that the media will seize on, to polarise the debate against XR.
We've seen recently how easily this government will fold in the face of any public pressure - Marcus Rashford has demonstrated that. The climate change debate can be framed in a different way to garner support. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:10]
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Oh please. That tone-policing nonsense has been used as the standard response in dismissing and ignoring serious issues for years. How do you think “the climate change debate can be framed” that hasn’t already been tried and hasn’t led to climate action being underprioritised? I’m all ears.
This is something else and a new approach. Yes, it’s a stunt and a threat but it seems like it certainly can raise awareness and raise the debate to the level of banks and financial institutions given the response even on here. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:43 - Nov 23 with 986 views | Keno |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:12 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
Well it’s your choice to take that risk. No one’s forcing you do to anything but the banks themselves, and then investing that money against your best interests.
Any other business model or industry you’d take your money elsewhere. |
in the real world risk warning are meaningless
If I'm not being forced to make loan repayment can you lend me some money? |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:43 - Nov 23 with 986 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:28 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
As mentionned, a campaign to get people to avoid banks who have dirty hands. Or anything that doesn't involve joe public putting their family's shelter on the line. |
As I mentioned, that’s been happening since day one. Evidently it’s not working and not enough. The fact you aren’t even aware of that shows you’ve not been paying attention. But you are now. So perhaps that’s food for thought. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:47]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:46 - Nov 23 with 976 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:43 - Nov 23 by Keno |
in the real world risk warning are meaningless
If I'm not being forced to make loan repayment can you lend me some money? |
Honestly if it would improve your life drastically and I had it you could. Money is an enabler.
Although the core issue is it shouldn’t be an issue in the first place. Housing is a human right. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:47 - Nov 23 with 973 views | bluelagos |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:21 - Nov 23 by tractordownsouth |
Fair enough on what you say about representation. It's true that a few people aren't typical of an entire group and that most activists are peaceful, but the train protest was organised by senior figures within the XR movement, which does bring into question its' legitimacy.
As with your BLM point, again that's why it's important to separate groups from the causes they're fighting for, something which isn't done enough. I'm concerned because whenever someone from XR and BLM causes harm, they're also harming progress environmentalism and racial equality in the process, because it gives sh1theads like Trump and Farage the ability to conflate the two. |
but the train protest was organised by senior figures within the XR movement
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You aren't doing yourself any favours here and everything you post seems to highlight how little you know about XR, how they work, how they are structured and how some make decisions and their general approach.
Instead you have grabbed hold of some bad publicity they had from an ill thought out action that was widely condemned by many inside the movement at the time.
As a political activist you may wish to open your eyes as to why so many think your party (and many others) don't offer a route to much needed radical change on the environment. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:50 - Nov 23 with 956 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:43 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
As I mentioned, that’s been happening since day one. Evidently it’s not working and not enough. The fact you aren’t even aware of that shows you’ve not been paying attention. But you are now. So perhaps that’s food for thought. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:47]
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My attention now is limited to vague disgust at how these people can try and manipulate well-meaning people into taking action which will cause them financial harm. I'm no closer or further to taking action as a result, but am certainly feeling more despairing and more hopeless. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:53 - Nov 23 with 947 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:50 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
My attention now is limited to vague disgust at how these people can try and manipulate well-meaning people into taking action which will cause them financial harm. I'm no closer or further to taking action as a result, but am certainly feeling more despairing and more hopeless. |
So you didn’t care when we did things you would have supported and now you are angry because we’ve had to push harder ideas for change.
You sound like a lost cause to me. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:53 - Nov 23 with 943 views | Keno |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:46 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
Honestly if it would improve your life drastically and I had it you could. Money is an enabler.
Although the core issue is it shouldn’t be an issue in the first place. Housing is a human right. |
Dont get me wrong housing is a human right but I would questions anyone advising doing anything that means they could jeopardis their current and future housing without have a contingency in place to provide them with housing.
And believe me the defence of 'oh but we warned you what could happen; would get laughed out of court so quickly you wouldn't know what hit it.
It's a more than worthy cause but as a stunt this worries me | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:54 - Nov 23 with 935 views | Funge |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:43 - Nov 23 by Darth_Koont |
Oh please. That tone-policing nonsense has been used as the standard response in dismissing and ignoring serious issues for years. How do you think “the climate change debate can be framed” that hasn’t already been tried and hasn’t led to climate action being underprioritised? I’m all ears.
This is something else and a new approach. Yes, it’s a stunt and a threat but it seems like it certainly can raise awareness and raise the debate to the level of banks and financial institutions given the response even on here. |
Well, bearing in mind that Rashford managed to get this government to undertake a full U-turn on school meals, off the back of a Twitter campaign (!), I would suggest that there is rather more room for manoeuvre than that outlined on this thread.
Specifics? Fck knows, this isn't my dog or my fight.
(yes, I know that climate change is pertinent to all of us etc etc....)
'This is something else and a new approach' - yep, no sh1t.
In related news, I am going to attempt to marry Anna Friel this week, by cutting off one of my fingers every day, until she agrees to go on a date with me. | | | |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:58 - Nov 23 with 923 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:53 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
So you didn’t care when we did things you would have supported and now you are angry because we’ve had to push harder ideas for change.
You sound like a lost cause to me. |
Your first para is a bizzare mischaracterisation of what I've said.
Your second is based on zero knowledge - I simply disagree that this campaign will do any good and is fact much more likely to do damage. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:03 - Nov 23 with 915 views | Darth_Koont |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:53 - Nov 23 by Keno |
Dont get me wrong housing is a human right but I would questions anyone advising doing anything that means they could jeopardis their current and future housing without have a contingency in place to provide them with housing.
And believe me the defence of 'oh but we warned you what could happen; would get laughed out of court so quickly you wouldn't know what hit it.
It's a more than worthy cause but as a stunt this worries me |
As I’ve said I don’t think it would come to that. It’s meant to lift the debate up to that financial level (which Boris’s recent “Green Industrial Revolution” singularly fails to do, even if we ignore the insulting investment levels). In this news cycle and beyond, not in a month or so when a small number of people default on their mortgages.
It’s because of the passivity in the face of a much, much riskier and threatening climate problem that a “risky threat” is being proposed at all. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:08 - Nov 23 with 907 views | SpruceMoose |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:19 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
And what’s the alternative? |
Easy to ignore stuff that won't alter my way of living in any way whatsoever is the kind of thing that's gone down extremely well over the course of history. Not changed much mind you, but was really popular. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:09 - Nov 23 with 905 views | Darth_Koont |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:54 - Nov 23 by Funge |
Well, bearing in mind that Rashford managed to get this government to undertake a full U-turn on school meals, off the back of a Twitter campaign (!), I would suggest that there is rather more room for manoeuvre than that outlined on this thread.
Specifics? Fck knows, this isn't my dog or my fight.
(yes, I know that climate change is pertinent to all of us etc etc....)
'This is something else and a new approach' - yep, no sh1t.
In related news, I am going to attempt to marry Anna Friel this week, by cutting off one of my fingers every day, until she agrees to go on a date with me. |
Eh? I’ve just pointed out that Rashford level has been achieved in many different specific issues within environmental campaigning. And it’s demonstrably not enough.
Be rational for once. And forget about the tone-policing and management of the optics you think this is all about. | |
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