| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide 11:16 - Nov 23 with 12677 views | monytowbray |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:10 - Nov 23 with 1276 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 14:58 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
Your first para is a bizzare mischaracterisation of what I've said.
Your second is based on zero knowledge - I simply disagree that this campaign will do any good and is fact much more likely to do damage. |
You dug this hole for yourself, not me.
Don’t go all [redacted] and double down.
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:13 - Nov 23 with 1261 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:08 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose |
Easy to ignore stuff that won't alter my way of living in any way whatsoever is the kind of thing that's gone down extremely well over the course of history. Not changed much mind you, but was really popular. |
Some people genuinely believe the world, particularly the West, is absolute in functioning. They fail to realise the flaws in the system that hold them back (in fact they often celebrate them) and assume it’s someone else’s problem to fix.
Accountability, PAH, who needs it? | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:15 - Nov 23 with 1251 views | Funge |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:09 - Nov 23 by Darth_Koont |
Eh? I’ve just pointed out that Rashford level has been achieved in many different specific issues within environmental campaigning. And it’s demonstrably not enough.
Be rational for once. And forget about the tone-policing and management of the optics you think this is all about. |
'And forget about the tone-policing and management of the optics you think this is all about.'
Sorry, I dont know what this means.
I completely disagree with your first paragraph (for a change).
Good luck with not paying the mortgage, too. Really. |  | | |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:16 - Nov 23 with 1250 views | Keno |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:03 - Nov 23 by Darth_Koont |
As I’ve said I don’t think it would come to that. It’s meant to lift the debate up to that financial level (which Boris’s recent “Green Industrial Revolution” singularly fails to do, even if we ignore the insulting investment levels). In this news cycle and beyond, not in a month or so when a small number of people default on their mortgages.
It’s because of the passivity in the face of a much, much riskier and threatening climate problem that a “risky threat” is being proposed at all. |
I understand the issue raising the debate I am just no sure this is way to do to.
There are financial implications at play that will be potentially more effective |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:17 - Nov 23 with 1245 views | SpruceMoose |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:13 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
Some people genuinely believe the world, particularly the West, is absolute in functioning. They fail to realise the flaws in the system that hold them back (in fact they often celebrate them) and assume it’s someone else’s problem to fix.
Accountability, PAH, who needs it? |
There seems to be an affluent centrist outlook that in order for protest to be sanctioned and legitimate it must 1) inconvenience nobody 2) not change day to day life in the present 3) must be neatly packaged and easy to ignore.
Some folk will have water lapping at the roof to their house and still be more concerned about whether the rescue boat is blocking their driveway. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:19 - Nov 23 with 1235 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:16 - Nov 23 by Keno |
I understand the issue raising the debate I am just no sure this is way to do to.
There are financial implications at play that will be potentially more effective |
Everyone is welcome to XR. If you have other ideas you can join your local group and pitch them. No voice goes unheard.
I expect the group being made up from all walks of life and expertise the ideas have been pitched already though, if not already in play. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:22 - Nov 23 with 1227 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:17 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose |
There seems to be an affluent centrist outlook that in order for protest to be sanctioned and legitimate it must 1) inconvenience nobody 2) not change day to day life in the present 3) must be neatly packaged and easy to ignore.
Some folk will have water lapping at the roof to their house and still be more concerned about whether the rescue boat is blocking their driveway. |
Sorry for embedding tweet, on phone and getting direct image links is a pain. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 15:23]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:35 - Nov 23 with 1210 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:10 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
You dug this hole for yourself, not me.
Don’t go all [redacted] and double down.
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I dont know what that means, but it sounds horrendous, so thanks for the warning. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:43 - Nov 23 with 1199 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:35 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
I dont know what that means, but it sounds horrendous, so thanks for the warning. |
It means you should base your opinions on reality and accept fault. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:49 - Nov 23 with 1187 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:17 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose |
There seems to be an affluent centrist outlook that in order for protest to be sanctioned and legitimate it must 1) inconvenience nobody 2) not change day to day life in the present 3) must be neatly packaged and easy to ignore.
Some folk will have water lapping at the roof to their house and still be more concerned about whether the rescue boat is blocking their driveway. |
Ah its those bludy centrists again! I didn't realise. Why oh why do they worry about silly details like shelter?!
I take it you're on to your bank now to tell them you're joing the campaign? | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:50 - Nov 23 with 1183 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:43 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
It means you should base your opinions on reality and accept fault. |
I'm still none the wiser - what reality am I ignoring and what fault am I not accepting? | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:59 - Nov 23 with 1174 views | SpruceMoose |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:49 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
Ah its those bludy centrists again! I didn't realise. Why oh why do they worry about silly details like shelter?!
I take it you're on to your bank now to tell them you're joing the campaign? |
I didn't mention banks. That idea is a non starter considering some of the extremely minor changes people have refused to make.
A generation of centrist governments have achieved absolutely nothing in averting the ever closer environmental catastrophe that is heading our way.
So don't get hump about the fact that some of us don't think that tinkering around the edges and being sensitive to the feelings of the middle class is ever going to achieve anything. Seeing as centrists have had all the power, they and (and obviously those on the right) own all the failure.
It's not surprising that some of us are tired of this Lambert-esque claim that we are fighting the good fight, our luck will change and we'll get there Iif only people just keep filling up their recycling bins once a week.
There was once a chance that minor changes and tiny inconveniences could have been enough to change our course. We blew through those opportunities time and again. It's too late. If you want your kids to grow old we are going to have to do things differently and that's going to be uncomfortable. Tough tiddays. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 16:02]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:04 - Nov 23 with 1163 views | J2BLUE |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:15 - Nov 23 by Funge |
'And forget about the tone-policing and management of the optics you think this is all about.'
Sorry, I dont know what this means.
I completely disagree with your first paragraph (for a change).
Good luck with not paying the mortgage, too. Really. |
He's not going to stop paying his mortgage. Pretended he would consider it to avoid being called a hypocrite but there is zero chance. He's not an idiot. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:04 - Nov 23 with 1164 views | bluelagos |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:59 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose |
I didn't mention banks. That idea is a non starter considering some of the extremely minor changes people have refused to make.
A generation of centrist governments have achieved absolutely nothing in averting the ever closer environmental catastrophe that is heading our way.
So don't get hump about the fact that some of us don't think that tinkering around the edges and being sensitive to the feelings of the middle class is ever going to achieve anything. Seeing as centrists have had all the power, they and (and obviously those on the right) own all the failure.
It's not surprising that some of us are tired of this Lambert-esque claim that we are fighting the good fight, our luck will change and we'll get there Iif only people just keep filling up their recycling bins once a week.
There was once a chance that minor changes and tiny inconveniences could have been enough to change our course. We blew through those opportunities time and again. It's too late. If you want your kids to grow old we are going to have to do things differently and that's going to be uncomfortable. Tough tiddays. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 16:02]
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When XR started on their journey 2 years ago, fair to say an awful lot of Twtds centrist posters were genuinely appalled at the idea of direct action. Amazing how far the debate has shifted. Time for action is long overdue and anyone who can't see that really is living with their head in the sand. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:05 - Nov 23 with 1159 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:50 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
I'm still none the wiser - what reality am I ignoring and what fault am I not accepting? |
You said the action was bad. I said what would you do? You offered up an idea they’ve been doing since day one, therefore your solution is rubbish because even you hadn’t noticed it.
So really, you’re bothered by an action that was born from your own ignorance.
Dots. Connect. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:10 - Nov 23 with 1153 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:59 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose |
I didn't mention banks. That idea is a non starter considering some of the extremely minor changes people have refused to make.
A generation of centrist governments have achieved absolutely nothing in averting the ever closer environmental catastrophe that is heading our way.
So don't get hump about the fact that some of us don't think that tinkering around the edges and being sensitive to the feelings of the middle class is ever going to achieve anything. Seeing as centrists have had all the power, they and (and obviously those on the right) own all the failure.
It's not surprising that some of us are tired of this Lambert-esque claim that we are fighting the good fight, our luck will change and we'll get there Iif only people just keep filling up their recycling bins once a week.
There was once a chance that minor changes and tiny inconveniences could have been enough to change our course. We blew through those opportunities time and again. It's too late. If you want your kids to grow old we are going to have to do things differently and that's going to be uncomfortable. Tough tiddays. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 16:02]
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Jesus, that was straight to the jugular. Fatality.
Amazing really, watching fascism rise to power over the last decade, a corrupt government getting into power, a lying press that swings our elections, mass misinformation going unregulated on new tech, a rising right wing terror threat, a growing wealth gap, tax robbery in broad daylight by our own corrupt government.
All that and I didn’t mention the pandemic, Brexit or the climate. We should be out on the streets stopping Brexit at this point but wE mUsT hOnOuR dEmOcRaCy, even though the Leave side cheated/lied, Project Fear was correct, the vote was never binding anyway and WE’RE ALREADY IN A RECESSION FFS.
The last 40 years did this. And all they can say is we need to keep doing things the same. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 16:14]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:11 - Nov 23 with 1147 views | SpruceMoose |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:04 - Nov 23 by bluelagos |
When XR started on their journey 2 years ago, fair to say an awful lot of Twtds centrist posters were genuinely appalled at the idea of direct action. Amazing how far the debate has shifted. Time for action is long overdue and anyone who can't see that really is living with their head in the sand. |
That's exactly what I mean. And that's actually one of the few areas where I think accusations of virtue signalling is fair.
Nobody really wants to be seen as dismissive of climate change, but a lot of the time it's just for show. Make sure you've got your reusable shopping bag, seperate out your recycling, keep that monthly donation to WWF going, but the second someone or a group acts in a way that makes people feel inconvenienced, uncomfortable, or threatened and all that goes out the window.
I'm not saying I'm some kind of environmental Gandhi, I could definitely do more than I do, but I am 100% behind the people who don't give up, the people who keep fighting for us and thd people who do put their money where their mouths are in situations where I don't feel brave enough to. I'm not falling over myself to criticise them and tell them they're failing or annoying at every available opportunity though. I thank them. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:13 - Nov 23 with 1140 views | SpruceMoose |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:10 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
Jesus, that was straight to the jugular. Fatality.
Amazing really, watching fascism rise to power over the last decade, a corrupt government getting into power, a lying press that swings our elections, mass misinformation going unregulated on new tech, a rising right wing terror threat, a growing wealth gap, tax robbery in broad daylight by our own corrupt government.
All that and I didn’t mention the pandemic, Brexit or the climate. We should be out on the streets stopping Brexit at this point but wE mUsT hOnOuR dEmOcRaCy, even though the Leave side cheated/lied, Project Fear was correct, the vote was never binding anyway and WE’RE ALREADY IN A RECESSION FFS.
The last 40 years did this. And all they can say is we need to keep doing things the same. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 16:14]
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I'm sick of people telling me that everything is the fault of radical leftists when nobody remotely to the left has had any power in my lifetime.
If you're not happy with the state of the world examine your own actions, and examine your own voting record first. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:15 - Nov 23 with 1135 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:13 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose |
I'm sick of people telling me that everything is the fault of radical leftists when nobody remotely to the left has had any power in my lifetime.
If you're not happy with the state of the world examine your own actions, and examine your own voting record first. |
The old “I’m not right wing but only ever attack the left” argument. Nah mate. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:16 - Nov 23 with 1134 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 15:59 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose |
I didn't mention banks. That idea is a non starter considering some of the extremely minor changes people have refused to make.
A generation of centrist governments have achieved absolutely nothing in averting the ever closer environmental catastrophe that is heading our way.
So don't get hump about the fact that some of us don't think that tinkering around the edges and being sensitive to the feelings of the middle class is ever going to achieve anything. Seeing as centrists have had all the power, they and (and obviously those on the right) own all the failure.
It's not surprising that some of us are tired of this Lambert-esque claim that we are fighting the good fight, our luck will change and we'll get there Iif only people just keep filling up their recycling bins once a week.
There was once a chance that minor changes and tiny inconveniences could have been enough to change our course. We blew through those opportunities time and again. It's too late. If you want your kids to grow old we are going to have to do things differently and that's going to be uncomfortable. Tough tiddays. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 16:02]
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We were talking about banks though, so that's why I replied with that in mind.
For what it's worth, I agree that tinkering around the edges won't be enough - I'm only disagreeing on what that action might be! In this case and imho, this action will only harm individuals and the cause, but maybe by saying that I fail the purity test.
I'm all for people making the necessary lifestyle changes — sticking it banks though is a red herring. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 16:31]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:18 - Nov 23 with 1118 views | factual_blue |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:54 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
XR do not use humans as cannon fodder. |
I do. Quite literally. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:22 - Nov 23 with 1110 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:13 - Nov 23 by SpruceMoose |
I'm sick of people telling me that everything is the fault of radical leftists when nobody remotely to the left has had any power in my lifetime.
If you're not happy with the state of the world examine your own actions, and examine your own voting record first. |
Who said that out of interest?
Given you won't be stopping your mortgage, I think we're actually agreeing mr angry!
Or if we're not agreeing, tell me where? | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:23 - Nov 23 with 1108 views | Funge |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:04 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE |
He's not going to stop paying his mortgage. Pretended he would consider it to avoid being called a hypocrite but there is zero chance. He's not an idiot. |
Well, quite, which is kind of the point. | | | |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:25 - Nov 23 with 1102 views | giant_stow |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:05 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
You said the action was bad. I said what would you do? You offered up an idea they’ve been doing since day one, therefore your solution is rubbish because even you hadn’t noticed it.
So really, you’re bothered by an action that was born from your own ignorance.
Dots. Connect. |
A quick google tells me that credit unions and new eco-centered banks are not failing, but growing.
When you and other XR-ers have stopped paying your loans and mortgages, lets go back and compare what that achieved, as I’m all for connecting. those. dots. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:27 - Nov 23 with 1098 views | J2BLUE |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 16:23 - Nov 23 by Funge |
Well, quite, which is kind of the point. |
Yea sorry I was agreeing! | |
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