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Elderly and vulnerable do not Dollers. There are no supermarket delivery booking slots left so someone unable to go to the shops or does not want to because at risk is royally screwed.
And how much food is now going to go to waste this Xmas at a time when some people are in food poverty. It's a monumental feck up! |
There will clearly be a lot of waste of food unfortunately.
However what is the alternative? You can't be suggesting that wasted food is more important than trying to limit the spread of a highly contagious strain of C19 surely?
Over the longer term it's clearly impossible to stop that strain spreading everywhere (even outside the UK) but slowing the spread means less hospitalisations which is the goal here.
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:14 - Dec 20 with 918 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
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Elderly and vulnerable do not Dollers. There are no supermarket delivery booking slots left so someone unable to go to the shops or does not want to because at risk is royally screwed.
And how much food is now going to go to waste this Xmas at a time when some people are in food poverty. It's a monumental feck up! |
There were no delivery slots regardless of the announcement last night, so surely people who needed to have it delivered would have done so already (or would have one of those slots)?
Also, you're only talking about supermarket delivery slots. You can still order food off Amazon Fresh... or meals already made on Deliveroo, Just Eat, Uber Eats etc...
I'm agreeing with Rommers that the timing is rubbish and it should've been done months ago, but to suggest there's no time to get food in is nonsense.
EDIT: Just realised he meant old people travelling to have Xmas dinner with their kids who now won't be travelling and won't have any food in. Yeah I guess that is a concern. But presumably the kids will just bring them food rather than pick them up? You're allowed to travel for essentials like food for elderly relatives who can't get it themselves. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 11:19]
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:17 - Dec 20 with 910 views | StokieBlue |
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My issue is his timing. He should’ve said months ago it’s in or off. |
The issue with this is that many wouldn't have accepted the evidence as it was months ago (that was seen on here when cancelling Christmas was mooted) even if it was the right call even back then.
With new evidence the rules should be amended, unless you are saying that because it's late notice we should ignore a massively more infectious strain of C19 and carry on regardless?
That doesn't seem like a sensible stance to me, the timing is unfortunate but what else could be done?
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The issue with this is that many wouldn't have accepted the evidence as it was months ago (that was seen on here when cancelling Christmas was mooted) even if it was the right call even back then.
With new evidence the rules should be amended, unless you are saying that because it's late notice we should ignore a massively more infectious strain of C19 and carry on regardless?
That doesn't seem like a sensible stance to me, the timing is unfortunate but what else could be done?
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Me and the missus, and both my parents, all thought ages ago that Christmas should be cancelled - regardless of any new strain it was obviously going to cause a new spike with people travelling all over the country and going into different homes. I take your point, though, that there are a lot of stupid people in this country who wouldn't have accepted it.
I'm not massively upset as I fully expected this to happen, and we can just exchange gifts and have a meal in January (or whenever it's safe to do so). But the government has dithered unnecessarily. Only a few days ago Boris was accusing Starmer of wanting to cancel Christmas... and yet here we are. This government is a joke, and not a very funny one. | |
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There will clearly be a lot of waste of food unfortunately.
However what is the alternative? You can't be suggesting that wasted food is more important than trying to limit the spread of a highly contagious strain of C19 surely?
Over the longer term it's clearly impossible to stop that strain spreading everywhere (even outside the UK) but slowing the spread means less hospitalisations which is the goal here.
SB [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 11:06]
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Whoa SB!! I'm absolutely in support of the move. I was just making a point to Dollers.
Why do you constantly do this? You are doing this a lot lately with posters, making assumptions and putting words in their mouths. I know you have strong feelings on all this but step back and think a little before you post please
The government had totally fecked things up over the last month especially but I'm not saying the move they have made is wrong, far from it but they should never have had this 5 day relaxation business communicated weeks ago. That was a disaster, even without considering the variant. |  |
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:28 - Dec 20 with 871 views | StokieBlue |
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Whoa SB!! I'm absolutely in support of the move. I was just making a point to Dollers.
Why do you constantly do this? You are doing this a lot lately with posters, making assumptions and putting words in their mouths. I know you have strong feelings on all this but step back and think a little before you post please
The government had totally fecked things up over the last month especially but I'm not saying the move they have made is wrong, far from it but they should never have had this 5 day relaxation business communicated weeks ago. That was a disaster, even without considering the variant. |
Fair enough, to me the wording of your post isn't that clear, the emphasis is on food waste not the measures but accept your clarification and apologies if you felt my post was unfair. I don't think I am "constantly" doing what you have said but there you go.
Totally agree the handling has been very poor.
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The issue with this is that many wouldn't have accepted the evidence as it was months ago (that was seen on here when cancelling Christmas was mooted) even if it was the right call even back then.
With new evidence the rules should be amended, unless you are saying that because it's late notice we should ignore a massively more infectious strain of C19 and carry on regardless?
That doesn't seem like a sensible stance to me, the timing is unfortunate but what else could be done?
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The issue for me is the lockdown should have been kept in place until December 23rd. We may have got numbers down to a reasonable level, even with the new strain, for a five day break with mixing between two households over the Christmas period before returning to a full lockdown once again whilst the damage was accessed.
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:31 - Dec 20 with 861 views | Mookamoo |
| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:14 - Dec 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There were no delivery slots regardless of the announcement last night, so surely people who needed to have it delivered would have done so already (or would have one of those slots)?
Also, you're only talking about supermarket delivery slots. You can still order food off Amazon Fresh... or meals already made on Deliveroo, Just Eat, Uber Eats etc...
I'm agreeing with Rommers that the timing is rubbish and it should've been done months ago, but to suggest there's no time to get food in is nonsense.
EDIT: Just realised he meant old people travelling to have Xmas dinner with their kids who now won't be travelling and won't have any food in. Yeah I guess that is a concern. But presumably the kids will just bring them food rather than pick them up? You're allowed to travel for essentials like food for elderly relatives who can't get it themselves. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 11:19]
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My elderly neighbours were due to have their daughters family for 5 days and they were bringing all the food with them. Daughter is in Tier 4 now.
Neighbours haven't been near a supermarket for 9 months and didn't get a delivery slot in order to free it up for someone else.
I've offered to go for them so they won't starve. I'd much rather be no where near Tesco though. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 11:31]
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:34 - Dec 20 with 856 views | N2_Blue |
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Fair enough, to me the wording of your post isn't that clear, the emphasis is on food waste not the measures but accept your clarification and apologies if you felt my post was unfair. I don't think I am "constantly" doing what you have said but there you go.
Totally agree the handling has been very poor.
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Sorry probably also over reacted but don't like to have assumptions made that totally go against what I'm saying and i had noted you'd done this before, but I understand we've all got strong emotions on this currently.
The decision had to be made. But they knew about this variant in November, yet 3 days ago Boris said it would be inhuman to cancel Christmas. The mixed messaging is what is going to mess with everyone and cause more rule breaking that there would have been previously.
It also encouraged the scenes seen last night at London transport hubs.
I know of people that have a week's worth of fresh food for 10 people delivered only yesterday and now it will just be the two of them. They are going to try donate to people who need it if they can otherwise it'll end of spoiling. | |
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Sorry probably also over reacted but don't like to have assumptions made that totally go against what I'm saying and i had noted you'd done this before, but I understand we've all got strong emotions on this currently.
The decision had to be made. But they knew about this variant in November, yet 3 days ago Boris said it would be inhuman to cancel Christmas. The mixed messaging is what is going to mess with everyone and cause more rule breaking that there would have been previously.
It also encouraged the scenes seen last night at London transport hubs.
I know of people that have a week's worth of fresh food for 10 people delivered only yesterday and now it will just be the two of them. They are going to try donate to people who need it if they can otherwise it'll end of spoiling. |
Totally agree that the mixed messaging has been rubbish. Boris was just trying to avoid being the PM who cancelled Christmas when he really should have been doing whatever was in the best interests of the country guided by the science.
The food waste is an issue but it's hard to see what can be done. Hopefully some can be donated as you say and perhaps some can be frozen. It's a problem though.
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:44 - Dec 20 with 837 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
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Whoa SB!! I'm absolutely in support of the move. I was just making a point to Dollers.
Why do you constantly do this? You are doing this a lot lately with posters, making assumptions and putting words in their mouths. I know you have strong feelings on all this but step back and think a little before you post please
The government had totally fecked things up over the last month especially but I'm not saying the move they have made is wrong, far from it but they should never have had this 5 day relaxation business communicated weeks ago. That was a disaster, even without considering the variant. |
I think Stokers is one poster on here who does read things properly and is very even-handed in his responses. I certainly don't think he puts words in people's mouths, constantly or otherwise. | |
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:48 - Dec 20 with 830 views | N2_Blue |
| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:37 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
Totally agree that the mixed messaging has been rubbish. Boris was just trying to avoid being the PM who cancelled Christmas when he really should have been doing whatever was in the best interests of the country guided by the science.
The food waste is an issue but it's hard to see what can be done. Hopefully some can be donated as you say and perhaps some can be frozen. It's a problem though.
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I don't think anything can be done...but it's just another implication of government incompetence in how they have gone about this whole thing.
The decision itself is not wrong but the way they have got there is. | |
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:50 - Dec 20 with 826 views | Ace_High1 |
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Holland has banned all flights from the UK due to the new variant.
First of many I would assume.
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Belgium as well now.
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:51 - Dec 20 with 822 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 11:31 - Dec 20 by Mookamoo |
My elderly neighbours were due to have their daughters family for 5 days and they were bringing all the food with them. Daughter is in Tier 4 now.
Neighbours haven't been near a supermarket for 9 months and didn't get a delivery slot in order to free it up for someone else.
I've offered to go for them so they won't starve. I'd much rather be no where near Tesco though. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 11:31]
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I think the daughter will still be able to bring food, as this is essential travel?
I don't mean to be harsh but I expected this to happen and you'd surely have some kind of back up in case it did? I don't want to support the government either - they really should have done this sooner (or never had the stupid 5 day break in the first place). | |
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I think the daughter will still be able to bring food, as this is essential travel?
I don't mean to be harsh but I expected this to happen and you'd surely have some kind of back up in case it did? I don't want to support the government either - they really should have done this sooner (or never had the stupid 5 day break in the first place). |
They clarified just 3 days earlier it would be happening, not a great leap to suggest those not sure pressed on with plans and shopping at that point |  |
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| Boris to hold press conference later, according to BBC on 12:03 - Dec 20 with 808 views | Mookamoo |
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I think the daughter will still be able to bring food, as this is essential travel?
I don't mean to be harsh but I expected this to happen and you'd surely have some kind of back up in case it did? I don't want to support the government either - they really should have done this sooner (or never had the stupid 5 day break in the first place). |
I'm not sure getting the daughter and the family to drive from London to Ipswich is entirely feasible. Is this once they've sawn the turkey in half?
Yes they should never have announced a 5 day break in the first place but they literally gave the go ahead to plan for a Christmas together. My neighbours simply don't understand what they've done wrong. | | | |
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I'm not sure getting the daughter and the family to drive from London to Ipswich is entirely feasible. Is this once they've sawn the turkey in half?
Yes they should never have announced a 5 day break in the first place but they literally gave the go ahead to plan for a Christmas together. My neighbours simply don't understand what they've done wrong. |
Your neighbours haven't done anything wrong, no-one's suggested they have. You never told us the daughter and family were coming from London... and I'm not suggesting bringing a plate of Christmas dinner on the day! But if they are the only people who can get food for them then they'll have to go up with supplies over the next few days and it will be essential travel.
EDIT: The government are many things, but I don't think they're suggesting let elderly people starve. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 13:37]
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