| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:43 - Jan 2 with 2291 views | Swansea_Blue |
I think it should be a criminal offence to deliberately undermine public health information during a pandemic. There’s too much of this sort of nonsense and serious penalties are needed to stamp it out. To have it also coming from a large company is just bonkers. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:45 - Jan 2 with 2283 views | BlueBadger |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:43 - Jan 2 by Swansea_Blue |
I think it should be a criminal offence to deliberately undermine public health information during a pandemic. There’s too much of this sort of nonsense and serious penalties are needed to stamp it out. To have it also coming from a large company is just bonkers. |
Be fair, having been a major part of a campaign to undermine the country's economic prospects for years, this is pretty small beans for Brexit Tim. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:51 - Jan 2 with 2260 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:45 - Jan 2 by BlueBadger |
Be fair, having been a major part of a campaign to undermine the country's economic prospects for years, this is pretty small beans for Brexit Tim. |
Well there is that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s having a go at the Govt because he missed out in the honours list while other Brexiteers were richly rewarded. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:52 - Jan 2 with 2237 views | BlueBadger |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:51 - Jan 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Well there is that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s having a go at the Govt because he missed out in the honours list while other Brexiteers were richly rewarded. |
Surely people as 'anti establishment' as Brexiteers should be refusing these gongs anyway? | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:28 - Jan 2 with 2157 views | Pendejo |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:45 - Jan 2 by BlueBadger |
Be fair, having been a major part of a campaign to undermine the country's economic prospects for years, this is pretty small beans for Brexit Tim. |
Shouldn't that be small beer? Or was that auto correct? |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:30 - Jan 2 with 2145 views | 26_Paz |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:43 - Jan 2 by Swansea_Blue |
I think it should be a criminal offence to deliberately undermine public health information during a pandemic. There’s too much of this sort of nonsense and serious penalties are needed to stamp it out. To have it also coming from a large company is just bonkers. |
There’s a very fine line there ... preventing people from writing things is creeping into thought police territory ... no matter how strongly you disagree with what they’re saying |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:43 - Jan 2 with 2122 views | factual_blue |
I rarely get beyond reason #1:
They're cheap manky dives for people who think a pint and a full English at 9:00am is cool. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:01 - Jan 2 with 2054 views | Wacko |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:43 - Jan 2 by factual_blue |
I rarely get beyond reason #1:
They're cheap manky dives for people who think a pint and a full English at 9:00am is cool. |
It's the UK's primary mental health support clinic |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:06 - Jan 2 with 2037 views | gtsb1966 |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:43 - Jan 2 by factual_blue |
I rarely get beyond reason #1:
They're cheap manky dives for people who think a pint and a full English at 9:00am is cool. |
They are cheap but they do good ales for two quid. Some of the ales at the Sudbury one are excellent. Before the lockdown in March me and four others would start off every Saturday at Wetherspoons before going on to a pub with a band. Five pints for a tenner, be rude not too. When this is all over that routine will continue. |  | | |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:08 - Jan 2 with 2025 views | jontysnut |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 10:43 - Jan 2 by Swansea_Blue |
I think it should be a criminal offence to deliberately undermine public health information during a pandemic. There’s too much of this sort of nonsense and serious penalties are needed to stamp it out. To have it also coming from a large company is just bonkers. |
I think Lord Sumption was a remainer and in Martin's view entirely wrong in his judgement then. Although he is an eminent legal mind and can argue a freedom point about lockdown, I wouldn't depend on him for epidemiological advice, in the same way that I wouldn't rely on Jonathan Van Tam to try and get me off a murder rap. |  | | |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:12 - Jan 2 with 2015 views | BlueBadger |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:30 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
There’s a very fine line there ... preventing people from writing things is creeping into thought police territory ... no matter how strongly you disagree with what they’re saying |
...but if you're actively working to undermine public health using your nationwide, multi-million pound business with many locations in prominent places as Brexit Tim is here, on the other hand... [Post edited 2 Jan 2021 13:38]
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:17 - Jan 2 with 1995 views | BlueBadger |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:28 - Jan 2 by Pendejo |
Shouldn't that be small beer? Or was that auto correct? |
'Small, close-to-date and nearly stale beer' to be strictly accurate. | |
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| That's not a sound response Pazzers on 12:17 - Jan 2 with 2016 views | Dyland |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:30 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
There’s a very fine line there ... preventing people from writing things is creeping into thought police territory ... no matter how strongly you disagree with what they’re saying |
Not necessarily the case Pazzers. As ever context is key. This reminds me of a post on Facebook by an old uni mate who I lost real world contact with decades ago but enjoy reading their stuff on FB, and is about the only thing I look at. Copying and pasting in full regardless of lack of attribution re copyright ;)
"Even the most anti-intellectual stalwart is still likely to be aware that we’re at a crossroads. It’s actually a philosophical crossroads, a moment, it seems to me, where we have an opportunity to re-evaluate the enlightenment, science and the possibility of extant and unavoidable scenes, but more importantly, a priori truth. Put simply, this year has been about the provability of things and a hard look at this odd notion of subjectivity.
Now, to simplify a philosophical idea which I shan’t mention, we have to work out whether the ‘stuff’ we perceive in the world is, the same for all of us, and exists in its state regardless of how we might bend it, or whether it’s a moveable notion that entirely depends on our state of being. What I mean is, do we really want to believe that the stuff we see and experience depends on ‘how you look at it” or ‘where you’re coming from’? For those of you who come at things from a postmodern view (which, by the way I have some respect for (with extreme caveats)), how useful, in the face of global extinction, do you really think positionality is? Let’s be clear, in finding a vaccine for this hideous disease, while to an extent its useful to consider individual response, in order to ‘make it happen’, it had to be generalised.
Empirical work has been the reason we might not die this year. But the hard facts are that empiricism is about the search — but not always the discovery — of fact. Our future, and the future of our dubious economic and political system, depends on — at the very least — an approximation of FACT. Truth is absolutely extant. We may be unable to see it, but it’s there. It’s not always graspable by even the cleverest people with the biggest foreheads, but it is there. Please, can we make 2021 a year where we rehabilitate facts and empiricism rather than continue this vague postmodern notion that ‘it depends’. It doesn’t depend."
Very, very importantly is this truth... "Empirical work has been the reason we might not die this year."
Happy New Year TWTD :) [Post edited 2 Jan 2021 12:22]
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:19 - Jan 2 with 1989 views | J2BLUE |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:30 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
There’s a very fine line there ... preventing people from writing things is creeping into thought police territory ... no matter how strongly you disagree with what they’re saying |
Remember saying how impressed you were with your nan's NHS care? Imagine people paid attention to the likes of Tim Martin. Your nan might not even have got a bed and her level of care would have been diluted among many other patients. The NHS is at breaking point as it is. Do you really think it's a responsible position for him to take?
Sorry to bring your nan into it but surely it must make you think?
How is she doing? |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:19 - Jan 2 with 1989 views | DinDjarin |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:12 - Jan 2 by BlueBadger |
...but if you're actively working to undermine public health using your nationwide, multi-million pound business with many locations in prominent places as Brexit Tim is here, on the other hand... [Post edited 2 Jan 2021 13:38]
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Depends what is true or not.
The bit about less beds taken up this than last 3 years is actually correct. |  | | |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:23 - Jan 2 with 1980 views | BlueBadger |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:19 - Jan 2 by DinDjarin |
Depends what is true or not.
The bit about less beds taken up this than last 3 years is actually correct. |
The percentage of beds is possibly lower, because we've created more temporary beds. At the expense of closing theatres, outpatient clinics, etc, etc.
On top of that, nearly all elective work is again, cancelled for the foreseeable, with staff from those areas redeployed.
The final issue is, that beds in NHS hospitals have been steadily failing for 30 years now. [Post edited 2 Jan 2021 12:25]
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:26 - Jan 2 with 1970 views | factual_blue |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:17 - Jan 2 by BlueBadger |
'Small, close-to-date and nearly stale beer' to be strictly accurate. |
They now buy massive quantities of freshly-brewed beer and prices that'll eventually bankrupt many breweries. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:30 - Jan 2 with 1955 views | footers |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:43 - Jan 2 by factual_blue |
I rarely get beyond reason #1:
They're cheap manky dives for people who think a pint and a full English at 9:00am is cool. |
You make it sound like a bad thing.
Can't beat a nice cold Strongbow to wash down your microwaved bacon. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:30 - Jan 2 with 1957 views | pointofblue |
The posters are actually brilliant at readily taking things out of context - take poster three, with articles from The Guardian saying that actually the key to defeating the pandemic would be an affective track and trace system and from The Telegraph, where the judge is actually questioning the lack of parliamentary input relating to decisions.
The second poster is so horrifically out of date it’s only use is as toilet paper. Unfortunately the “journalist” who wrote it seems to be ignoring what is happening even now. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:37 - Jan 2 with 1908 views | jontysnut |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:23 - Jan 2 by BlueBadger |
The percentage of beds is possibly lower, because we've created more temporary beds. At the expense of closing theatres, outpatient clinics, etc, etc.
On top of that, nearly all elective work is again, cancelled for the foreseeable, with staff from those areas redeployed.
The final issue is, that beds in NHS hospitals have been steadily failing for 30 years now. [Post edited 2 Jan 2021 12:25]
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A good proportion of intensive care beds are taken by elective patients requiring addional care. If that elective work stops then that will free up some ICU capacity. Comparing rates over past years is apples and oranges. | | | |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:38 - Jan 2 with 1903 views | BlueBadger |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:37 - Jan 2 by jontysnut |
A good proportion of intensive care beds are taken by elective patients requiring addional care. If that elective work stops then that will free up some ICU capacity. Comparing rates over past years is apples and oranges. |
Put it this way. ITU capacity is full, regionally right now, despite a cessation in elective surgery. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:44 - Jan 2 with 1879 views | factual_blue |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:30 - Jan 2 by footers |
You make it sound like a bad thing.
Can't beat a nice cold Strongbow to wash down your microwaved bacon. |
The perfect start to a day of shouting at pigeons in the Abbey Gardens. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:52 - Jan 2 with 1833 views | gtsb1966 |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:26 - Jan 2 by factual_blue |
They now buy massive quantities of freshly-brewed beer and prices that'll eventually bankrupt many breweries. |
It wont bankrupt Greene King or the likes though will it who happily supply cheap beer whilst their tenants go under. You can't blame Wetherspoons for everything that is wrong in the pub trade. | | | |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:52 - Jan 2 with 1825 views | 26_Paz |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:19 - Jan 2 by J2BLUE |
Remember saying how impressed you were with your nan's NHS care? Imagine people paid attention to the likes of Tim Martin. Your nan might not even have got a bed and her level of care would have been diluted among many other patients. The NHS is at breaking point as it is. Do you really think it's a responsible position for him to take?
Sorry to bring your nan into it but surely it must make you think?
How is she doing? |
No worries at all, she’s doing much better, is up and talking, hoping to be out next week. Thanks for asking.
I know what you’re saying and you are absolutely right, I’m just not comfortable with criminalising people for what they say or write. Surely it’s a better approach to let them say it and then explain to them ...
interesting one here as I know in the Second World War etc it would have been illegal to do / say stuff that could undermine morale so there is a precedent.
I don’t know if this sort of thing should be criminalised or not ... I’m just a bit uncomfortable as to where it could lead | |
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