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Anti-vaxxer cousin. 21:31 - Jan 12 with 2988 viewseastangliaisblue

So an idiotic cousin of mine, who is constantly sharing anti-vaccine nonsense on social media, has finally driven me over the edge.

The latest post she has shared claims the vaccine gives you a high risk of catching HIV. I mean WTF, what is wrong with these people and how can I be related to such feckwits?

The argument got quite personal but feck it she's had it coming.
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:41 - Jan 12 with 2062 viewsjeera

What was her point? This is FB isn't it.

Surely she must realise she needs to back that up with something?

Although it's not possible because it doesn't make any sense.

These people should be forced to wear badges saying 'fair game' on them or something and be allowed to be shot on sight.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:42 - Jan 12 with 2053 viewsDarth_Koont

You can only ask her for her evidence. Because only evidence will help people survive this Covid/HIV nightmare ...

Push her. Push her into saying how her opinions can save anyone — and won’t just make everything worse.
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:50 - Jan 12 with 2027 viewseastangliaisblue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:41 - Jan 12 by jeera

What was her point? This is FB isn't it.

Surely she must realise she needs to back that up with something?

Although it's not possible because it doesn't make any sense.

These people should be forced to wear badges saying 'fair game' on them or something and be allowed to be shot on sight.


Yeah Facebook. She doesn't have a point, not ever. She just shares this sh1t without actually looking into anything herself. It's no different to Brexiteers, Trump supporters etc. They just believe what they want to believe.
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:52 - Jan 12 with 2014 viewseastangliaisblue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:42 - Jan 12 by Darth_Koont

You can only ask her for her evidence. Because only evidence will help people survive this Covid/HIV nightmare ...

Push her. Push her into saying how her opinions can save anyone — and won’t just make everything worse.


I've tried, really I have. She along with the rest of these conspiracy theorists don't seem to have the mental capacity.
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:52 - Jan 12 with 2008 viewsJ2BLUE

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:41 - Jan 12 by jeera

What was her point? This is FB isn't it.

Surely she must realise she needs to back that up with something?

Although it's not possible because it doesn't make any sense.

These people should be forced to wear badges saying 'fair game' on them or something and be allowed to be shot on sight.


The infuriating thing about these conspiracy nutters is that they have an answer for everything. It's like arguing with a religious person who says they "just know" god exists and his actions can't be understood by us etc. These nutters just say the evidence has been hidden or the sheeple refuse to see it etc. Anyone who questions is part of the conspiracy. Any evidence going against their theory is disinformation. It goes on and on. You can't beat them asking for evidence. The lack of evidence is the ultimate proof they are right!

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:52 - Jan 12 with 2013 viewsStokieBlue

That is one of the more bizarre ones and makes absolutely no sense. You were right to call her out on it even if it was difficult.

Also strange that she's still attaching such a stigma to HIV. People who have HIV nowadays can live a long and normal life and aren't infectious with modern medication.

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:58 - Jan 12 with 1966 viewsfactual_blue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:50 - Jan 12 by eastangliaisblue

Yeah Facebook. She doesn't have a point, not ever. She just shares this sh1t without actually looking into anything herself. It's no different to Brexiteers, Trump supporters etc. They just believe what they want to believe.


I think facetwit is rather like being in the school playground when you're about eight. You'll slavishly follow the kids you want to be friends with just to be in with them.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:00 - Jan 12 with 1943 viewseastangliaisblue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:52 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue

That is one of the more bizarre ones and makes absolutely no sense. You were right to call her out on it even if it was difficult.

Also strange that she's still attaching such a stigma to HIV. People who have HIV nowadays can live a long and normal life and aren't infectious with modern medication.

SB


That's what I tried to explain to her, but you can't argue with stupid.
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:05 - Jan 12 with 1897 viewsjeera

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:00 - Jan 12 by eastangliaisblue

That's what I tried to explain to her, but you can't argue with stupid.


Show her this thread.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:07 - Jan 12 with 1885 viewseastangliaisblue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:05 - Jan 12 by jeera

Show her this thread.


I'm done with her.
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:08 - Jan 12 with 1886 viewsfactual_blue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:05 - Jan 12 by jeera

Show her this thread.


And this

https://www.scarymommy.com/dunning-kruger-effect/

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:09 - Jan 12 with 1859 viewsfactual_blue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:07 - Jan 12 by eastangliaisblue

I'm done with her.


That's probably the best thing to do.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:13 - Jan 12 with 1839 viewsMoriarty

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:00 - Jan 12 by eastangliaisblue

That's what I tried to explain to her, but you can't argue with stupid.


Let stupid be. Her self entitlement has made her immune to common sense and responsibility. Ignore her and avoid her. For safety and peace of mind.

I don’t refer to them as “anti Vaxers”. They are “vax deniers”.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 22:15 - Jan 12 with 1822 viewsDarth_Koont

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:52 - Jan 12 by eastangliaisblue

I've tried, really I have. She along with the rest of these conspiracy theorists don't seem to have the mental capacity.
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You’re doing right.

Just keep pushing her to give you her solution. There either isn’t one or it’s fecked up enough that you can turn the tables.

And write down “Conspiracy Theory” on a piece of paper so you can just give it to her when she starts babbling.

But I appreciate it’s just family. Don’t get into the details, just make them aware that you don’t want them looking after kids. 😀
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 23:06 - Jan 12 with 1680 viewsChurchman

A good friend of mine is spewing out similar nonsense, but is more into the Bill Gates microchip theory. He doesn’t use Facebook or Twitter, but I’ve long since given up discussing it with him. I tried reason but there is just no point as he won’t change his mind. The irony is that he has the kind of health issues that if he gets C-19 it’ll be goodnight for him. Mad.
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 23:10 - Jan 12 with 1673 viewsIllinoisblue

It’s always the ignorant ones who are so facking sure of themselves. A couple of high school acquaintances on FB - unemployable losers - spend their entire days posting utter nonsense from nut job blogs and dress it up as “got to get the truth out as this what the mainstream media won’t tell you”. Just an endless stream of made-up sheeeite. These damn people revel in their ignorance. We are doomed.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 23:18 - Jan 12 with 1640 viewsbournemouthblue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:52 - Jan 12 by J2BLUE

The infuriating thing about these conspiracy nutters is that they have an answer for everything. It's like arguing with a religious person who says they "just know" god exists and his actions can't be understood by us etc. These nutters just say the evidence has been hidden or the sheeple refuse to see it etc. Anyone who questions is part of the conspiracy. Any evidence going against their theory is disinformation. It goes on and on. You can't beat them asking for evidence. The lack of evidence is the ultimate proof they are right!


The irony with the conspiracy nuts is they have been brainwashed and radicalised, just like the 'sheeple' and 'sheep' they seem to think they can save with all their revelations.

The sad thing is, they don't even realise it, they genuinely think they're on some kind of crusade to save the planet.

This is the problem you get when you have someone like Trump who has happily fed on their paranoia and agitated it for his own gains. We have seen just how serious a threat that can be now with the attempted putsch at the Capitol. Four people lost their lives because Trump couldn't accept the results of democracy.

The success the Neo-Nazis perceive from the insurrection will only buoy them sadly, particularly for Biden's inauguration.

It's still questionable, why the security outside the building was so lax, it won't be for the inauguration, I'm sure. There's talk the nutters will riot in all the major state capitals which is a bigger worry, that might be how they spread their chaos.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 06:53 - Jan 13 with 1343 viewsm14_blue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 23:10 - Jan 12 by Illinoisblue

It’s always the ignorant ones who are so facking sure of themselves. A couple of high school acquaintances on FB - unemployable losers - spend their entire days posting utter nonsense from nut job blogs and dress it up as “got to get the truth out as this what the mainstream media won’t tell you”. Just an endless stream of made-up sheeeite. These damn people revel in their ignorance. We are doomed.


“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 07:13 - Jan 13 with 1281 viewsSteve_M

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:52 - Jan 12 by J2BLUE

The infuriating thing about these conspiracy nutters is that they have an answer for everything. It's like arguing with a religious person who says they "just know" god exists and his actions can't be understood by us etc. These nutters just say the evidence has been hidden or the sheeple refuse to see it etc. Anyone who questions is part of the conspiracy. Any evidence going against their theory is disinformation. It goes on and on. You can't beat them asking for evidence. The lack of evidence is the ultimate proof they are right!


That's just not true and here's a link to five YouTube videos to prove it.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 07:15 - Jan 13 with 1274 viewseastangliaisblue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 06:53 - Jan 13 by m14_blue

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”


Ain't that the truth!
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 08:14 - Jan 13 with 1161 viewsChurchman

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 23:18 - Jan 12 by bournemouthblue

The irony with the conspiracy nuts is they have been brainwashed and radicalised, just like the 'sheeple' and 'sheep' they seem to think they can save with all their revelations.

The sad thing is, they don't even realise it, they genuinely think they're on some kind of crusade to save the planet.

This is the problem you get when you have someone like Trump who has happily fed on their paranoia and agitated it for his own gains. We have seen just how serious a threat that can be now with the attempted putsch at the Capitol. Four people lost their lives because Trump couldn't accept the results of democracy.

The success the Neo-Nazis perceive from the insurrection will only buoy them sadly, particularly for Biden's inauguration.

It's still questionable, why the security outside the building was so lax, it won't be for the inauguration, I'm sure. There's talk the nutters will riot in all the major state capitals which is a bigger worry, that might be how they spread their chaos.


With regard to security and watching the coverage at the time, it struck me that their response planning was sort of Westminster late 70s level. Add in how their police forces were not integrated and no command and control and there you have it. Americans are great planners and organisers and I’m sure this sort of thing won’t happen again there.

However, had this been a BLM protest, the response would have been very different, as Biden and many others (including people on this board) have pointed out. That raises far more questions than sorting out physical barriers, as London has, and developing effective response.
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 09:54 - Jan 13 with 1056 viewsfactual_blue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 06:53 - Jan 13 by m14_blue

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”


Bertrand Russell used to meet one of his mistresses at house in Lavenham about one hundred years ago.

Appropriately for a philosopher the house is called Ponders.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 10:34 - Jan 13 with 984 viewsGuthrum

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 21:50 - Jan 12 by eastangliaisblue

Yeah Facebook. She doesn't have a point, not ever. She just shares this sh1t without actually looking into anything herself. It's no different to Brexiteers, Trump supporters etc. They just believe what they want to believe.


Mainly because the real world is too unpleasant - or too dull - for many people to face. Most sublimate that by playing games or losing themselves in TV drama*. But some get drawn into pseudo-realities such as the fantasy worlds built by conspiracy theorists instead. Unfortunately, if they take hold, that can have consequences, such as who gets voted into power and whether public health campaigns work.


* A very long tradition, stretching back to the heroic epics of ancient times.

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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 11:02 - Jan 13 with 955 viewsbournemouthblue

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 08:14 - Jan 13 by Churchman

With regard to security and watching the coverage at the time, it struck me that their response planning was sort of Westminster late 70s level. Add in how their police forces were not integrated and no command and control and there you have it. Americans are great planners and organisers and I’m sure this sort of thing won’t happen again there.

However, had this been a BLM protest, the response would have been very different, as Biden and many others (including people on this board) have pointed out. That raises far more questions than sorting out physical barriers, as London has, and developing effective response.


I have no doubt, the US authorities have the means to purge any issue really

You only have to see the level of response at BLM protests and that to me raises serious questions about political interference potentially, even at Presidential level

The Trump cultists were very organised and clearly planned for it but you do have to question why security was so poor, it looks suspicious to me

I can't believe their intelligence services wouldn't have seen it coming, they are very well resourced?

Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
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Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 11:05 - Jan 13 with 947 viewsEwan_Oozami

Anti-vaxxer cousin. on 09:54 - Jan 13 by factual_blue

Bertrand Russell used to meet one of his mistresses at house in Lavenham about one hundred years ago.

Appropriately for a philosopher the house is called Ponders.


Obviously to discuss set theory...

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