| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:24 - Jan 23 with 2172 views | Moriarty |
The Oxford vaccine hasn’t been approved by the EU yet. That will hopefully happen on 29th Jan and will make a difference, especially here In Ireland.
Not sure what the timetable in the U.K. is but the present thinking is that if you want it, the latest everyone should have it in Ireland is August. |  |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:31 - Jan 23 with 2160 views | Darth_Koont |
To be fair, the supply issue is down to AZ (and Pfizer it also seems) not being able to keep up with the promised delivery.
In the UK we made a head start due to rushing through approval. But the supply issues will catch up with us too. |  |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:32 - Jan 23 with 2151 views | Herbivore |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:00 - Jan 23 by giant_stow |
I added a thread on this myself and have been in one of my obsessive phases of twtd-ing so I've probably seen more than most.
I'd say that compared to the number of threads on criticising the UK govt response to the virus, there's been very little comment on this EU failing. If you disagree, kindly point me to them all!
I know Brazil whatever is a brexiter / righty, but that doens;t mean he/she is wrong on everything.
You're right in one sense though, I am very good at family fanny. |
We live in the UK, so it's pretty natural that our government's handling of the pandemic would be much more widely discussed. |  |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:35 - Jan 23 with 2120 views | Ryorry |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 09:58 - Jan 23 by Churchman |
They agreed that the vaccine would be shared by population and Brussels would negotiate for all to get a better deal. Little countries like the U.K. would be left out in the cold and there was plenty of rage in the country last year that we didn’t join the collective effort when offered.
EU Procurement appears late and inadequate along with slow vaccine approval. The collective approach has not gone well in this instance or hidden the differences between countries. The Germans grabbed another 30m vaccines despite the collective agreement. Others are going for the Chinese and Russian vaccines. I find it rather odd that the EU is shouting the odds about the AstraZeneca supply cut of 60% when they haven’t even approved it.
Supply was always going to be a problem as nothing like this on such a scale has been done before by these companies, but in procuring volumes early from multiple sources appears to be the right decision. Things will improve supply wise for U.K. and EU as the summer progresses. [Post edited 23 Jan 2021 10:02]
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We had amongst the worst, if not *the* worst/slowest/most unfortunately dithering reaction to the pandemic by any government in Europe, resulting in one of the (if not *the*) highest number of infections/hospitalisations/ deaths per head of the population in Europe.
That we've done better than any of the EU countries in obtaining vaccine supplies as a completely unexpected bonus from Brexit, which partly offsets the other massive negatives from Brexsh1t, is great, but inadvertant & fortuitous.
It remains to be seen if we use those vaccine supplies wisely - the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the decision to stretch the timeframe of the Pfizer vaccine 2nd dose out to 12 weeks, against the advice of the manufacturers and many doctors & scientists, is a worry. |  |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:37 - Jan 23 with 2116 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:19 - Jan 23 by m14_blue |
Of course.
Thinking Brexit is insanely stupid isn’t the same as thinking the EU is perfect or beyond criticism though. |
The whole thing is fecked up. I want freedom of trade and freedom of movement but I don't want power grabbing, self interested, gravy train, faceless underground pickpocketers telling me what to do. If anyone dares question the regime they are blasted as racist thickos by people who have little idea of how they have fallen for the lie.
IMHO of course. |  |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:37 - Jan 23 with 2107 views | jeera |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 10:34 - Jan 23 by brazil1982 |
You've got a nerve, coming on here and merely hinting at criticism of the EU. |
Funny how you pop up with these little one-liners like some opportunist, yet have nothing to add when the obvious problems that are highlighted daily in the news are mentioned.
I don''t see how the OP has criticised anyone, but your post is nothing but cheap under the circumstances. |  |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:38 - Jan 23 with 2104 views | J2BLUE |
If we were in the EU we would have less vaccines. The one thing this government has done right is securing access to plenty of vaccines.
Overall, leaving the EU will probably be pretty stupid but that shouldn't stop us saying that as far as vaccines are concerned we're better off going it alone. |  |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:39 - Jan 23 with 2101 views | Herbivore |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:37 - Jan 23 by Lord_Lucan |
The whole thing is fecked up. I want freedom of trade and freedom of movement but I don't want power grabbing, self interested, gravy train, faceless underground pickpocketers telling me what to do. If anyone dares question the regime they are blasted as racist thickos by people who have little idea of how they have fallen for the lie.
IMHO of course. |
Come off it, that's just not true.
As for "power grabbing, self interested, gravy train, faceless underground pickpocketers" we're currently governed by the biggest bunch of those in living memory and there's now even fewer checks and balances on them. What a time to be alive. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:39 - Jan 23 with 2101 views | giant_stow |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:31 - Jan 23 by Darth_Koont |
To be fair, the supply issue is down to AZ (and Pfizer it also seems) not being able to keep up with the promised delivery.
In the UK we made a head start due to rushing through approval. But the supply issues will catch up with us too. |
In fairness, it's not just supply issues that have caused trouble in the EU. It's procurement issues too - they didn't buy enough of the good stuff and bet heavily on a French vaccine which won;t be ready until the end of the year. There are suspicions that the French bet was for political reasons - ie keep the French govt happy in their alwasy-competition with the Germans. It's left them up sh1tcreek. |  |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:40 - Jan 23 with 2094 views | jeera |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 09:58 - Jan 23 by Churchman |
They agreed that the vaccine would be shared by population and Brussels would negotiate for all to get a better deal. Little countries like the U.K. would be left out in the cold and there was plenty of rage in the country last year that we didn’t join the collective effort when offered.
EU Procurement appears late and inadequate along with slow vaccine approval. The collective approach has not gone well in this instance or hidden the differences between countries. The Germans grabbed another 30m vaccines despite the collective agreement. Others are going for the Chinese and Russian vaccines. I find it rather odd that the EU is shouting the odds about the AstraZeneca supply cut of 60% when they haven’t even approved it.
Supply was always going to be a problem as nothing like this on such a scale has been done before by these companies, but in procuring volumes early from multiple sources appears to be the right decision. Things will improve supply wise for U.K. and EU as the summer progresses. [Post edited 23 Jan 2021 10:02]
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"the vaccine would be shared by population and Brussels would negotiate for all to get a better deal. Little countries like the U.K. would be left out in the cold"
How would that work given the UK has the 2nd largest population? | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:42 - Jan 23 with 2077 views | J2BLUE |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:40 - Jan 23 by jeera |
"the vaccine would be shared by population and Brussels would negotiate for all to get a better deal. Little countries like the U.K. would be left out in the cold"
How would that work given the UK has the 2nd largest population? |
I think he means if we didn't join their joint purchasing plan.
The EU have been incredibly slow to authorise the vaccines. EU member states have been annoyed at how slow it was going. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:44 - Jan 23 with 2068 views | Darth_Koont |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:37 - Jan 23 by Lord_Lucan |
The whole thing is fecked up. I want freedom of trade and freedom of movement but I don't want power grabbing, self interested, gravy train, faceless underground pickpocketers telling me what to do. If anyone dares question the regime they are blasted as racist thickos by people who have little idea of how they have fallen for the lie.
IMHO of course. |
Problem is that it’s always been our own government and politicians that have been the worst and most self-interested, power-grabbing, gravy-slurping pickpocketers. The fact that we know them well and they do it in plain sight makes it worse.
Ironically, whilst not being a perfect organisation by any means, the EU’s relative transparency and accountability was a buffer against them. Now we’re on our own to be raided by these tools while they wave the Union Jack. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:47 - Jan 23 with 2050 views | Herbivore |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:42 - Jan 23 by J2BLUE |
I think he means if we didn't join their joint purchasing plan.
The EU have been incredibly slow to authorise the vaccines. EU member states have been annoyed at how slow it was going. |
EU member states can approve the vaccine amf make their own procurement arrangements themselves if they so wish. Our speedy approve of the vaccines had nothing to do with Brexit, despite JRM's claims to the contrary. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:50 - Jan 23 with 2033 views | Ryorry |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:44 - Jan 23 by Darth_Koont |
Problem is that it’s always been our own government and politicians that have been the worst and most self-interested, power-grabbing, gravy-slurping pickpocketers. The fact that we know them well and they do it in plain sight makes it worse.
Ironically, whilst not being a perfect organisation by any means, the EU’s relative transparency and accountability was a buffer against them. Now we’re on our own to be raided by these tools while they wave the Union Jack. |
*This*.
Bookmarked "self-interested, power-grabbing, gravy-slurping pickpocketers" for fuure use & recycling, if that''s alright?! | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:50 - Jan 23 with 2034 views | giant_stow |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:47 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
EU member states can approve the vaccine amf make their own procurement arrangements themselves if they so wish. Our speedy approve of the vaccines had nothing to do with Brexit, despite JRM's claims to the contrary. |
No, nothing to do with brexit - the EU offered us a chance to join their procurement programme despite Brexit. Indeed, I'm pretty sure I amongst others had a whine about us choosing not to at the time on here. But as it happens, its worked out well - credit where its due. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:53 - Jan 23 with 2010 views | jeera |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:42 - Jan 23 by J2BLUE |
I think he means if we didn't join their joint purchasing plan.
The EU have been incredibly slow to authorise the vaccines. EU member states have been annoyed at how slow it was going. |
Heck knows why, although in the US some couldn't wait to criticise the UK for authorising too early which was an unhealthy stance to take. I think that was more to cover for their own slackness if anything.
I am irritated by some of the comments around this though. It should be cause of concern that fewer lives will be saved rather than some joyful thing to crow about.
The UK has done well to push this through, but as I say there's been plenty of people, including posts on here, asking if it was too rushed.
Opinion certainly does seem to sway as it suits sometimes. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:53 - Jan 23 with 2010 views | Herbivore |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:50 - Jan 23 by giant_stow |
No, nothing to do with brexit - the EU offered us a chance to join their procurement programme despite Brexit. Indeed, I'm pretty sure I amongst others had a whine about us choosing not to at the time on here. But as it happens, its worked out well - credit where its due. |
I'd file this under more by luck than judgement. They also didn't join in with EU joint procurement on PPE and we ended up with shortages during the first wave and handing out fat contracts to Tory donors with no history of procuring PPE. Swings and roundabouts, there's no strategy here from the government, just jingoism. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:54 - Jan 23 with 2004 views | Darth_Koont |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:50 - Jan 23 by Ryorry |
*This*.
Bookmarked "self-interested, power-grabbing, gravy-slurping pickpocketers" for fuure use & recycling, if that''s alright?! |
It’s a goodie.
Lucan is the rightful owner though. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:54 - Jan 23 with 2003 views | J2BLUE |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:47 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
EU member states can approve the vaccine amf make their own procurement arrangements themselves if they so wish. Our speedy approve of the vaccines had nothing to do with Brexit, despite JRM's claims to the contrary. |
Have any of them ordered their own vaccines? They would effectively be bidding against the EU. I'd be really interested to know if any have taken the option. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:55 - Jan 23 with 1998 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:44 - Jan 23 by Darth_Koont |
Problem is that it’s always been our own government and politicians that have been the worst and most self-interested, power-grabbing, gravy-slurping pickpocketers. The fact that we know them well and they do it in plain sight makes it worse.
Ironically, whilst not being a perfect organisation by any means, the EU’s relative transparency and accountability was a buffer against them. Now we’re on our own to be raided by these tools while they wave the Union Jack. |
That is your opinion because you hate this country, you are of course entitled to your spout your views. You are however quite the blinkered individual, you see English nationalism as racist but Scottish nationalism as perfectly acceptable.
You are quite a wonky bloke to be fair.
Can't wait to buy you a Ghost Ship | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:57 - Jan 23 with 1994 views | J2BLUE |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:53 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
I'd file this under more by luck than judgement. They also didn't join in with EU joint procurement on PPE and we ended up with shortages during the first wave and handing out fat contracts to Tory donors with no history of procuring PPE. Swings and roundabouts, there's no strategy here from the government, just jingoism. |
Oh there's no doubt any praise of the vaccine procurement has to be offset against the things they've been grossly incompetent at...which is about 99% of what's gone on. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:58 - Jan 23 with 1991 views | Herbivore |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:55 - Jan 23 by Lord_Lucan |
That is your opinion because you hate this country, you are of course entitled to your spout your views. You are however quite the blinkered individual, you see English nationalism as racist but Scottish nationalism as perfectly acceptable.
You are quite a wonky bloke to be fair.
Can't wait to buy you a Ghost Ship |
English nationalists are almost always racists to be fair. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:58 - Jan 23 with 1987 views | jeera |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:50 - Jan 23 by giant_stow |
No, nothing to do with brexit - the EU offered us a chance to join their procurement programme despite Brexit. Indeed, I'm pretty sure I amongst others had a whine about us choosing not to at the time on here. But as it happens, its worked out well - credit where its due. |
At that time it was all about PPE and live-saving equipment such as ventilators.
Now I won't pretend to know why the vaccine has such slow approval within Europe but can only assume they've tied themselves up with too much red tape on this, but that's not to say the UK couldn't still use its own system of vaccine approval whilst still having joined that scheme at the time.
That the offer was politely made back then when everyone was scrabbling around for face masks is to be applauded not ridiculed. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:59 - Jan 23 with 1983 views | J2BLUE |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:58 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
English nationalists are almost always racists to be fair. |
Where as Scottish nationalists are salt of the earth, bag pipe playing, haggis eating top class lads of the highest order. | |
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| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 14:00 - Jan 23 with 1981 views | Herbivore |
| The UK has suffered vaccine shortages but nothing like the EU on 13:54 - Jan 23 by J2BLUE |
Have any of them ordered their own vaccines? They would effectively be bidding against the EU. I'd be really interested to know if any have taken the option. |
No idea, but the option is there. In general there are usually benefits to bloc procurement, being part of a bigger collective gives you greater purchasing power. The issue here is the delays with the Pfizer vaccine and this being the only one currently approved and in use in the EU. But if individual countries wanted to approve other vaccines and order those there are mechanisms for them to do so. | |
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